Psychee wrote:
That's Snape from an alternate dimension that has been transfigured into this timeline via an upside down timeturner placed inside Moaning Myrtle's toilet, right?
I found this so very funny because part of it could be something I would base a theory on. There's bound to be some type of time turning going and what's with Myrtle and the bathroom? Is there another dimension out there? Is time going around in circles (does that even make sense)? Did someone mess with time and does it need to be fixed? I tell you, I love wild theories. Not so sure about aliens and Fawkes, though. A bit too out there for me.
Well, it's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Where I come from, anything unexplained is due entirely to aliens. And my great aunt's television reception hasn't been the same since men walked on the moon - she's sure of it.
But seriously, about Fawkes and why he did not come to DD in his time of need: I also think it's because DD was prepared to die and knew it had to happen. If he had called for Fawkes, or telepathically felt that he needed Fawkes, I think the bird would have been there in a second. It's a good thing Fawkes wasn't in the middle of his molting/burning/helpless baby bird cycle.
But seriously, about Fawkes and why he did not come to DD in his time of need: I also think it's because DD was prepared to die and knew it had to happen. If he had called for Fawkes, or telepathically felt that he needed Fawkes, I think the bird would have been there in a second. It's a good thing Fawkes wasn't in the middle of his molting/burning/helpless baby bird cycle.
amm1 wrote:
Psychee wrote:
That's Snape from an alternate dimension that has been transfigured into this timeline via an upside down timeturner placed inside Moaning Myrtle's toilet, right?
I found this so very funny because part of it could be something I would base a theory on. There's bound to be some type of time turning going and what's with Myrtle and the bathroom? Is there another dimension out there? Is time going around in circles (does that even make sense)? Did someone mess with time and does it need to be fixed? I tell you, I love wild theories. Not so sure about aliens and Fawkes, though. A bit too out there for me.
MsJinx wrote:
Well, it's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Where I come from, anything unexplained is due entirely to aliens. And my great aunt's television reception hasn't been the same since men walked on the moon - she's sure of it.
But seriously, about Fawkes and why he did not come to DD in his time of need: I also think it's because DD was prepared to die and knew it had to happen. If he had called for Fawkes, or telepathically felt that he needed Fawkes, I think the bird would have been there in a second. It's a good thing Fawkes wasn't in the middle of his molting/burning/helpless baby bird cycle.
amm1 wrote:
Psychee wrote:
That's Snape from an alternate dimension that has been transfigured into this timeline via an upside down timeturner placed inside Moaning Myrtle's toilet, right?
I found this so very funny because part of it could be something I would base a theory on. There's bound to be some type of time turning going and what's with Myrtle and the bathroom? Is there another dimension out there? Is time going around in circles (does that even make sense)? Did someone mess with time and does it need to be fixed? I tell you, I love wild theories. Not so sure about aliens and Fawkes, though. A bit too out there for me.
see, I think there's a difference. Fawkes didn't show up because *Dumbledore* knew he was going to die. He didn't show up because JO knew Dumbledore was supposed to die.
I think Dumbledore really thought that Snape was going to show up and heal him just like he did over the summer. The whole thing happened so fast, and Dumbledore just had a few split seconds to realize that he'd been betrayed. There was no time to summon Fawkes (assuming anyone can just "summon" fawkes, which is doubtful).
I know this is unpopular... most people think Dumbledore somehow foresaw his own death and was prepared to sacrifice himself. I don't think this is so at all. I think he was aware of a plot to kill him, but not aware of Snape's level of involvement.
Whatever happened between Dumbledore and Snape is one of those wonderful, huge events that keep us guessing. I'm one of those who think Snape helped DD after the injury from the ring horcrux (stoppered death), and think DD was resigned to having Snape kill him rather than have Draco do it (since he was dying anyway), saving Draco from being a murderer,....but now you've given me the idea that maybe DD wasn't ready to go just then, that maybe he did want Snape to give him an antidote to the potion in the cave, and had important things still to impart to Harry before he was ready to die, but Snape went ahead and offed him before he was quite ready, knowing DD wanted to delay it a bit more. A little premature incantation maybe. It still leaves me up in the air about Snape, though - did he go ahead and kill DD a bit earlier than DD wanted because of the situation, and he had no other choice but to do it for Draco, before Fenrir or one of the other goons did it, or because he had an itchy wand finger?
And I still don't know who the fourth DE was who came to the tower with the Carrow's and Fenrir!!! Was it later revealed, or did I miss it somehow? If the name of that person wasn't given, I can see a scenario where Harry meets someone in DH, who is not immediately known as a DE, who may even be in a position seemingly helpful, and Harry will recognize him as that fourth DE.
And I still don't know who the fourth DE was who came to the tower with the Carrow's and Fenrir!!! Was it later revealed, or did I miss it somehow? If the name of that person wasn't given, I can see a scenario where Harry meets someone in DH, who is not immediately known as a DE, who may even be in a position seemingly helpful, and Harry will recognize him as that fourth DE.
phrodo41 wrote:
MsJinx wrote:
Well, it's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Where I come from, anything unexplained is due entirely to aliens. And my great aunt's television reception hasn't been the same since men walked on the moon - she's sure of it.
But seriously, about Fawkes and why he did not come to DD in his time of need: I also think it's because DD was prepared to die and knew it had to happen. If he had called for Fawkes, or telepathically felt that he needed Fawkes, I think the bird would have been there in a second. It's a good thing Fawkes wasn't in the middle of his molting/burning/helpless baby bird cycle.
amm1 wrote:
Psychee wrote:
That's Snape from an alternate dimension that has been transfigured into this timeline via an upside down timeturner placed inside Moaning Myrtle's toilet, right?
I found this so very funny because part of it could be something I would base a theory on. There's bound to be some type of time turning going and what's with Myrtle and the bathroom? Is there another dimension out there? Is time going around in circles (does that even make sense)? Did someone mess with time and does it need to be fixed? I tell you, I love wild theories. Not so sure about aliens and Fawkes, though. A bit too out there for me.
see, I think there's a difference. Fawkes didn't show up because *Dumbledore* knew he was going to die. He didn't show up because JO knew Dumbledore was supposed to die.
I think Dumbledore really thought that Snape was going to show up and heal him just like he did over the summer. The whole thing happened so fast, and Dumbledore just had a few split seconds to realize that he'd been betrayed. There was no time to summon Fawkes (assuming anyone can just "summon" fawkes, which is doubtful).
I know this is unpopular... most people think Dumbledore somehow foresaw his own death and was prepared to sacrifice himself. I don't think this is so at all. I think he was aware of a plot to kill him, but not aware of Snape's level of involvement.
jayme wrote:
Honestly though, I don't think we can ignore that JKR describes Snape as having a look of disgust on his face just before he kills DD. Why would she put that if it wasn't supposed to mean something?
I think you are right. We are suppose to notice the look on Snape's face, which is actually described as revulsion and hatred. I don't believe this had anything to do with Snape being asked earlier in the story to kill Dumbledore when necessary. I believe we see Snape's true feelings here. There is nothing in canon showing Snape caring for Dumbledore.
As a Snape fan who pretty much frequents Snape boards, I get my share of grief.
