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Re: melville popular in UK : Billy Budd the opera
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12-14-2006 06:29 PM - edited 12-14-2006 06:29 PM
http://www.toronto-goth.com/reviews/live/billybudd
There is also a DVD with Peter Ustinov directing and playing the lead, Captain Edwin Fairfax Vere.
Fanuzzir wrote:-
a 'Melville Revivial' of the 1920s that discovered the lost text of Billy Budd turned into an American studies academic discipline that was looking for a 'Cold War' text to anchor the field and say something meaningful about the ideological struggle of American liberal democracy with Communism. And Moby Dick fit the bill. Why? Let's talk more and find out.
Message Edited by Choisya on 12-14-200606:34 PM
Billy Budd and the opera
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12-14-2006 07:10 PM - edited 12-14-2006 07:10 PM
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Re: Laurel : Billy Budd the opera - no post?!
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12-14-2006 07:15 PM
Re: Laurel : Billy Budd the opera - no post?!
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12-14-2006 07:16 PM
Choisya wrote:
Your post is blank Laurel - I wonder how this happens?
I goofed, but I think I've corrected it now. I'm very high-tech, you know.
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12-15-2006 04:49 AM
Laurel wrote:
I've been fascinated by Billy Budd since I was in high school. I didn't know about the Ustinov film, but I see that my library has it. I have and enjoy a DVD of the ENO production of the opera, with Thomas Allen and Philip Langridge, and I have the Pears CD.Message Edited by Laurel on 12-14-200604:15 PM
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12-15-2006 05:04 AM
fanuzzir wrote:
Thanks for that article. This is embarassing: how do you insert a link like that?
You copy and paste the URL from your browser or your search engine or wherever. The links should no longer need HTML tags but if they do you paste the following before, in the middle and after the URL:-
REPEAT THE URL
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12-15-2006 11:14 AM
And, of course, I liked the opera. I was able to watch the Metropolitan version from a TV broadcast that was was quite a production with a huge chorus. It had a very handsome and energetic Budd in Croft, a great villain in Morris' Caggart, and, of course, Philip Langridge again as Captain Vere. He seems to own that role and it was interesting to see how he played it in two different productions. The Metropolitan was less psychological and symbolic than the ENO production so it was worthwhile seeing them both in contrast.
I don't have the Pears recording but really should add it to my collection. Forgot now why I didn't get it. Maybe it is out of print or too expensive. I have the Kent Nagano with Thomas Hampson in the title role and Anthon Rolfe Johnson as Vere.
Bucky
Laurel wrote:
I've been fascinated by Billy Budd since I was in high school. I didn't know about the Ustinov film, but I see that my library has it. I have and enjoy a DVD of the ENO production of the opera, with Thomas Allen and Philip Langridge, and I have the Pears CD.Message Edited by Laurel on 12-14-200604:15 PM
Pardon our opera
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12-15-2006 11:43 AM
Melville and Hawthorne
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12-17-2006 09:34 PM
I decided to do a bit of research on this project since many of you have been discussing Hawthorne. I did not join you in the reading of the House of Seven Gables and so leave the continuing conversation to others. I did find some sites that did provide some interesting and unexpected information about their relationship.
http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org/ScholarsForum/Hawt
Melville's Letters to Hawthorne:
http://www.melville.org/corresp.htm
Some essays on their relationship:
http://www.123helpme.com/assets/4583.html
http://libarts.wsu.edu/english/Journals/ESQ/hawtho
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Re: Melville's biography-unsuc cessful
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12-28-2006 09:02 AM
So he probably died thinking he was a failure. I wonder what he would say if BN invited him to participate in BN clubs to discuss MbD with us.
That would be a fun book if I could write it, LOL.
ziki
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12-28-2006 10:22 PM
Bob
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12-29-2006 10:48 AM
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Herman Melville (1819-1891), American author, best known for his novels of the sea and especially for his masterpiece Moby Dick (1851), a whaling adventure dedicated to Nathaniel Hawthorne. The work was only recognized as a masterpiece years after Melville's death. The fictionalized travel narrative Typee (1846) was Melville's most popular book during his lifetime.
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Herman Melville was born on August 1, 1819 in New York City into an established merchant family. His father became bankrupt and insane, dying when Melville was 12. A bout of scarlet fever in 1826 left Melville with permanently weakened eyesight. Melville died of heart failure on September 28, 1891.
Please enter the whole link otherwise it leads astray:
from http://www.online-literature.com/melville/
Another biography:
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/bb/hm_bio.htmlMessage
Message Edited by ziki on 12-10-200609:53 PM
Interesting--Melville's early biography brought to mind the biography of James Joyce. Joyce's father began in relative affluence, and then proceeded to squander the family fortune. And impaired eyesight was also James Joyce's curse--Joyce underwent many eye operations as he grew older.
Of course, there's another parallel--both Joyce and Melville were amazing polymaths.
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12-30-2006 10:46 PM
Friery, could you please tell me more?
Bob
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12-31-2006 12:18 PM
fanuzzir wrote:
both Joyce and Melville were amazing polymaths
Friery, could you please tell me more?
Bob
Joyce had an astonishing range of knowledge. He taught himself Norwegian so he could read Ibsen in the original. In Ulysses, he showed intricate knowledge of subects as esoteric as women's fashions and dressmaking. Finnegans Wake has puns taken from dozens of foreign languages. (Example: "In his broadginger hat and his civic chollar and his allabuff hemmed and his bullbraggin soxangloves and his ladbroke breeks and his cattegut bandolair and his furframed panuncular cumbottes like a rudd yellan gruebleen orangeman in his violet indigonation, to the whole longth of the strongth of his bowman’s bill." )
Melville, unlike Joyce, left school as a child and was self-taught. One biographer says Melville devoured Shakespeare, as well as historical, anthropological, and technical works. Another said he read Renaissance playwrights in preparation for writing Moby Dick. Melville's self-taught erudition shows itself in Moby Dick, with its detailed information about whaling, the natural history of the whale, and the whale in folklore, history, legend, and art. It also shows itself in his writing style. As one commentator says, "Melville creates spaciousness by a successive layering of literary forms, styles, tones, references, allusions, and particularly the manipulation of language. The "romance of adventure" is formally a combination of personal narrative, drama, and epic including, among other genres, elements of the short story, tall tale, sermons both serious and burlesque, lawyer's briefs, and librarian's catalogue; and its tonalities extend from the grandeur of Elizabethan blank verse soliloquy to the crudities of vaudeville dialect."
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01-02-2007 09:58 PM
friery wrote:
fanuzzir wrote:
both Joyce and Melville were amazing polymaths
Friery, could you please tell me more?
Bob
Joyce had an astonishing range of knowledge. He taught himself Norwegian so he could read Ibsen in the original. In Ulysses, he showed intricate knowledge of subects as esoteric as women's fashions and dressmaking. Finnegans Wake has puns taken from dozens of foreign languages. (Example: "In his broadginger hat and his civic chollar and his allabuff hemmed and his bullbraggin soxangloves and his ladbroke breeks and his cattegut bandolair and his furframed panuncular cumbottes like a rudd yellan gruebleen orangeman in his violet indigonation, to the whole longth of the strongth of his bowman’s bill." )
Melville, unlike Joyce, left school as a child and was self-taught. One biographer says Melville devoured Shakespeare, as well as historical, anthropological, and technical works. Another said he read Renaissance playwrights in preparation for writing Moby Dick. Melville's self-taught erudition shows itself in Moby Dick, with its detailed information about whaling, the natural history of the whale, and the whale in folklore, history, legend, and art. It also shows itself in his writing style. As one commentator says, "Melville creates spaciousness by a successive layering of literary forms, styles, tones, references, allusions, and particularly the manipulation of language. The "romance of adventure" is formally a combination of personal narrative, drama, and epic including, among other genres, elements of the short story, tall tale, sermons both serious and burlesque, lawyer's briefs, and librarian's catalogue; and its tonalities extend from the grandeur of Elizabethan blank verse soliloquy to the crudities of vaudeville dialect."
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01-03-2007 04:01 AM
friery wrote:
fanuzzir wrote:
both Joyce and Melville were amazing polymaths
Friery, could you please tell me more?
Bob
Joyce had an astonishing range of knowledge. He taught himself Norwegian so he could read Ibsen in the original. In Ulysses, he showed intricate knowledge of subects as esoteric as women's fashions and dressmaking. Finnegans Wake has puns taken from dozens of foreign languages. (Example: "In his broadginger hat and his civic chollar and his allabuff hemmed and his bullbraggin soxangloves and his ladbroke breeks and his cattegut bandolair and his furframed panuncular cumbottes like a rudd yellan gruebleen orangeman in his violet indigonation, to the whole longth of the strongth of his bowman’s bill." )
Melville, unlike Joyce, left school as a child and was self-taught. One biographer says Melville devoured Shakespeare, as well as historical, anthropological, and technical works. Another said he read Renaissance playwrights in preparation for writing Moby Dick. Melville's self-taught erudition shows itself in Moby Dick, with its detailed information about whaling, the natural history of the whale, and the whale in folklore, history, legend, and art. It also shows itself in his writing style. As one commentator says, "Melville creates spaciousness by a successive layering of literary forms, styles, tones, references, allusions, and particularly the manipulation of language. The "romance of adventure" is formally a combination of personal narrative, drama, and epic including, among other genres, elements of the short story, tall tale, sermons both serious and burlesque, lawyer's briefs, and librarian's catalogue; and its tonalities extend from the grandeur of Elizabethan blank verse soliloquy to the crudities of vaudeville dialect."
How long did it take?
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01-05-2007 11:33 PM
Re: How long did it take?
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01-06-2007 05:27 AM
Laurel wrote:
I keep wondering how long Melville spent writing Moby Dick. Does anyone know?