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01-28-2007 06:45 PM
Choisya wrote:
I only realised today, when reading an article on the American coffee shop chain Starbucks in my Sunday paper that Laurel was referring to those shops!!They aren't as common over here, although I have seen one or two in London. Were they named after Moby Dick's Starbuck?? 0
pmath wrote:
Would "Stubb's" have been a better choice than "Starbucks?""What has he in his hand there?" cried Starbuck, pointing to something wavingly held by the German. "Impossible!--a lamp-feeder!"
"Not that," said Stubb, "no, no, it's a coffee-pot, Mr. Starbuck; he's coming off to make us our coffee, is the Yarman; don't you see that big tin can there alongside of him?--that's his boiling water. Oh! he's all right, is the Yarman."
"Go along with you," cried Flask, "it's a lamp-feeder and an oil-can. He's out of oil, and has come a-begging."
Laurel wrote (here):
Starbuck is the man for me. I'll bet he would even bring me coffee.
Re: Chapter 81: Coffee
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01-29-2007 10:45 AM
Choisya wrote:
I only realised today, when reading an article on the American coffee shop chain Starbucks in my Sunday paper that Laurel was referring to those shops!!They aren't as common over here, although I have seen one or two in London. Were they named after Moby Dick's Starbuck?? 0
According to the Starbucks website, there are 140 stores in London. Last time I was in London, there seemed to be one on every street corner.
Re: Chapter 81: Coffee shops (off topic)
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01-29-2007 11:20 AM
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Choisya wrote:
I only realised today, when reading an article on the American coffee shop chain Starbucks in my Sunday paper that Laurel was referring to those shops!!They aren't as common over here, although I have seen one or two in London. Were they named after Moby Dick's Starbuck?? 0
According to the Starbucks website, there are 140 stores in London. Last time I was in London, there seemed to be one on every street corner.
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01-29-2007 03:00 PM
Laurel wrote:
Yup. They first thought of calling it Pequod's but quickly realized that wouldn't do. The company started in Seattle in 1971.
Choisya wrote:
I only realised today, when reading an article on the American coffee shop chain Starbucks in my Sunday paper that Laurel was referring to those shops!!
I thought about it when I started to read the book and I decided it was too farfetched ;-) Pequod would give bad wibes...even if they all went down, I say: Call me Ishmael! One tht makes it through all ordeals.
One Ishmael's espresso, thanks, and that rum to it, please!
ziki
Coffee in Europe (off topic)
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01-29-2007 03:04 PM
You need the American vision for that sort of Starbuck corners situation and the walk away with it as fast as hell ;-)
Starbucks in Paris? That will be the end of me!
ziki
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01-29-2007 03:57 PM
ziki wrote:
Laurel wrote:
Yup. They first thought of calling it Pequod's but quickly realized that wouldn't do. The company started in Seattle in 1971.
Choisya wrote:
I only realised today, when reading an article on the American coffee shop chain Starbucks in my Sunday paper that Laurel was referring to those shops!!
I thought about it when I started to read the book and I decided it was too farfetched ;-) Pequod would give bad wibes...even if they all went down, I say: Call me Ishmael! One tht makes it through all ordeals.
One Ishmael's espresso, thanks, and that rum to it, please!
ziki
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01-29-2007 04:02 PM
http://www.theritzlondon.com/tea/teamenu.asp
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/01/2006_29_
ziki wrote:
Choisya is a Brit and she lives too close to London, moreover, she focuses on pubs ;-)
You need the American vision for that sort of Starbuck corners situation and the walk away with it as fast as hell ;-)
Starbucks in Paris? That will be the end of me!
ziki
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01-29-2007 04:11 PM
ziki wrote:
Choisya is a Brit and she lives too close to London, moreover, she focuses on pubs ;-)
You need the American vision for that sort of Starbuck corners situation and the walk away with it as fast as hell ;-)
Starbucks in Paris? That will be the end of me!
ziki
There are now apparently 25 Starbucks stores in Paris.
None in Rome yet, as far as I know.
But, there's one in the Forbidden City in Beijing. It's caused quite a stir. (No pun intended.)
Re: Chapter 80: Vertebrae
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01-29-2007 04:25 PM
Denise
Laurel wrote:
Exactly.
donyskiw wrote:
This used to be a big "science" back then. It makes me wonder what other current "sciences" will go the same way.
Denise
fanuzzir wrote:
Do you know you were supposed to be able to know a person's character by feeling the bumps on his or her head? That's why Melville is so entranced by the great expense of Moby Dick's brow, as he calls it (a joking comparison to Daniel Webster, this titan of the Senate revered for the height of his forehead, if you can believe it).
Re: Chapters 61-98, if I had to choose... (spoiler ch 87)
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01-29-2007 04:30 PM - edited 01-29-2007 04:30 PM
Denise
fanuzzir wrote:
Ziki, I love this chapter too. "And thus, though srrounded by circile upon circule of consternations and affrights, did these inscrutible creaturesat the centre freely and fearlessly indulge in all peaceful concernments; yes, serenly revelled in dalliance and delight. But even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being, do I myself still for every centrally disport in mute calm; . . . deep down and deep inland I still bathe me in eternal mildness of joy."
A remarkable pasage and confession. This is what Ishmael needs and has been looking for; he finds it in the eye of a hurricane. Maybe he needs the calm, but he goes through the hurricane to get it.
Ziki, I don't see where he throws out the terms Loose Fish or Fast Fish. Give me some help?
ziki wrote:
I think the part of the chapter (The Grand Armada) where they get into the "eye of the whales" was nothing short of magic.
From the mad hunt straight into the peace, Queequeg starts patting them on their heads...now, that's my boy....thre's some hope for the human race.
Melville really worked nicely with the contrasts here, it was very visual.
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But then he wonders if I am a Loose-Fish or Fast-Fish??? Sometimes I do not get him at all. Do you?
ziki
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Ishmael's Bar
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01-29-2007 07:41 PM
ziki
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01-29-2007 07:43 PM - edited 01-29-2007 07:43 PM
ziki
Message Edited by ziki on 01-30-200701:52 AM
smokeless bar (off topic)
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01-29-2007 07:45 PM
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Re: Chapter 81: Coffee
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01-29-2007 09:08 PM
Choisya wrote:
Perhaps Ishmael's would be better as a cocktail bar - mixing all kinds of wonderful ingredients to make life sustaining grogs? There could be some great names for them too - come on Ziki, you are the cook: What would be in a Golden Doubloon? A Pink Pequod? A White Whale? A King Queequeg? A Black Ahab?
ziki wrote:
Laurel wrote:
Yup. They first thought of calling it Pequod's but quickly realized that wouldn't do. The company started in Seattle in 1971.
Choisya wrote:
I only realised today, when reading an article on the American coffee shop chain Starbucks in my Sunday paper that Laurel was referring to those shops!!
I thought about it when I started to read the book and I decided it was too farfetched ;-) Pequod would give bad wibes...even if they all went down, I say: Call me Ishmael! One tht makes it through all ordeals.
One Ishmael's espresso, thanks, and that rum to it, please!
ziki
Re: The Monkey-Rope (ch 72)
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01-29-2007 10:53 PM
ziki wrote:
fanuzzir wrote If you are
honest and candid about your reactions to this book then you are in a position to glimpse what the underlying nature of western, Judeo Christian knowlege is.
hmmm....one can really wonder if there is any difference between fiction and fact when it comes to that. Gotta think about this.
ziki
And Melville LOVES to muddy up fiction and fact, you know.
Re: doctrine of Loose and Fast-Fish
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01-29-2007 10:55 PM
Laurel wrote:
All this brings Billy Budd to mind. "Farewell, 'Rights of Man!'"
Superb coda to a career I would think! BB really does refine and narrow everything that Melville wanted to say here, I think.
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01-29-2007 11:43 PM
Laurel wrote:
How about if we pop over to Pip's?
yay, another good place...
z.
Re: Chapter 68: Herman Melville and the Sperm Whale
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02-11-2007 11:31 PM
Chad