04-26-2007 12:03 PM - edited 04-26-2007 12:03 PM
And I think I mentioned the above before, but one "Moe" time. Sometimes we can see language on the surface(hieroglyphics, tattoos, scrimhaw, parchment --would all be examples) and sometimes it is invisible to the eye, like the surface of the ocean. That is, we can sometimes see interactions between air and sea in the form of whitewater or a horizon line, or a whale's spout, but there are always interactions between and air and water that our invisible to our own eyes. And finally, that invisible layer, because it is such, is something that can deceive. Philosophy, government, religion, business can bind us, sometimes unknowingly bind us, through language. So language is that area "inbetween" an interface, or someone that works on a canal, something that cannot be trusted, something that can lead us to our own demise, something like the ocean.
We're finally getting a complete picture of Moby, I was thinking of doing Paradise Lost this month of May, but I may be busy doing some lifeguarding...
PS- The reason why I think the novel was done so brilliantly. Ahab had to esacpe those forces which bound him to the Pequod and sought immortality by placing himself directly between civilization and the sun, where the white whale spouts! But not before he drops a tear into the ocean, and, ahoy maties! to go back to my original opening: the trouble we may cause ourselves and civilization when we feel.
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05-01-2007 04:20 PM - edited 05-01-2007 04:20 PM
Enterprise- it is interesting how the Pequod functioned like a living organism, or in many ways resembled the whale, and, it's difficult to understand the connections within the entity formed. I think this is true of any business and/or even government.
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05-03-2007 10:09 AM
The icons and colors of communism seemed to flow naturally from a world history- like a pennant streaming for the heart of Tashtego as he momentarily pauses with a hammer in the last day of the Pequod. The hammers which built civilization were difficult to rise above. Ahab was bound by the abilities of his crew and by abilities of those who built the ship and all the knowledge and labor of previous generations. On the last day, he orders that a red fag be nailed to the mast, but he finally succombed to what the masses were, what they could buid up to that point-- but not because we or the world was necessarily communist or becoming what I would consider to be such.
05-05-2007 02:09 PM
just checking in....
Last week when I was reading some lit crit stuff the idea of language as a skin came up in the text. I still didn't quite get a grip on that idea but I can see how language can help to create a container and lack of language builds up a barrier. In one way or the other there is always some communication going on, non verbal in that case unless we speak about severe autism but even there is a communication hidden, I dare say. It is just perceived as dangerous and uncomfortable, almost life threatening, therefore the total withdrawal. I am not sure what this have to do with whales They seem to be social and communicative.
05-08-2007 09:42 PM
05-10-2007 03:16 PM
Lack of communication is also in there-- kind of like the Prego spaghetti sauce commercials, it's all in there! A couple of examples might be: the silence of the sailors at the Spouter Inn or the feel of Ahab's command, although he wasn't present on deck. This might be a different kind of nonverbal communication that you might be familiar with, but something Melville might have wanted us to think about. The reputation of Moby was built up by language, or words, of course.
06-10-2007 01:37 PM
06-10-2007 01:46 PM - edited 06-10-2007 01:46 PM
Algorithms certainly have their roots in philosophy, and, I think Melville would agree, that early algorithmists might have fared no better than Ahab in trying to bring people to a new era, to reach new heights or hunt the white whale-- Ahab obviously had some communication issues on board the Pequod; some felt he was insane. Einstein is also interesting case in relation to Moby, I think.
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06-13-2007 01:39 PM - edited 06-13-2007 01:56 PM
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06-14-2007 01:37 PM
Hope that helps!
06-16-2007 10:41 AM - edited 06-16-2007 10:44 AM
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06-16-2007 11:53 AM
Scrimshaw is also interesting- where the images and writing are inscribed in the whale's bone, and represents the thinnest layer of skin or the closet representaion of an interface or death-- something which can lead to our own demise. It also derved to connect the sailors and culture of the time.
06-19-2007 03:32 PM
06-21-2007 11:23 AM - edited 06-21-2007 11:26 AM
PS- So, as Melville states, sit yourselves on the moons of Saturn, and, if you do, remember that the whale took you there.
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06-26-2007 12:58 PM - edited 06-26-2007 01:44 PM
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