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Re: Discussion Topic: Lyra Belacqua
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11-15-2007 05:06 PM
gabesmom wrote:
To get back to the topic of being orphans, Harry had no one to parent him as a child. Lyra had Ma Costa, even if she doesn't remember it, and the Master and Scholars at Jordan College love her, per The Amber Spyglass. She has a certainty about herself that Harry lacks. I think this allows her to behave with abandon, and carry out pranks large and small, because there is an inner security there. As far as not liking her, I think Pullman did that on purpose. He didn't to atart out with a loveable child like a Lucy, or a child we would automatically feel protective towards. He wants us to admire what she is able to do. I think a better comparison would be Harry and Will.
I think you are right on about Lyra. I didn't like her at first but I am really admiring her by the Amber Spyglass. She is a different person, growing up and accepting the responsibility that goes with. She has a strong willingness to sacrifice for the good of others and has a great deal of compassion. She was particularly concerned and tender toward The Authority, the cause of all the problems in the universe.
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11-17-2007 11:05 AM - edited 11-17-2007 11:06 AM
I think you're onto something with Lyra's character, gabesmom. Could you expand on a bit more on your thinking of Lyra being more independent and less of a young character who stimulates feelings of sympathy or protectiveness from the reader? I haven't felt as strongly for Lyra as I normally do with a protagonist, and I'm wondering if that might be related in some ways to some of the things you're pointing out.
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Message Edited by ConnieK on 11-17-2007 11:06 AM
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gabesmom wrote:
To get back to the topic of being orphans, Harry had no one to parent him as a child. Lyra had Ma Costa, even if she doesn't remember it, and the Master and Scholars at Jordan College love her, per The Amber Spyglass. She has a certainty about herself that Harry lacks. I think this allows her to behave with abandon, and carry out pranks large and small, because there is an inner security there. As far as not liking her, I think Pullman did that on purpose. He didn't to atart out with a loveable child like a Lucy, or a child we would automatically feel protective towards. He wants us to admire what she is able to do. I think a better comparison would be Harry and Will.
Message Edited by ConnieK on 11-17-2007 11:06 AM
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11-17-2007 11:07 AM - edited 11-17-2007 11:36 AM
I think I like Lyra better as a young adult than as a child as well. I'm not sure why? I enjoy strong female characters, too, so that's not it. Hmm...do you think Lyra shows enough vulnerability as a child to be believable as a child character? She seems more vulnerable, perhaps, as she grows toward womanhood? Does that make any sense?
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Nadine wrote:
I think you are right on about Lyra. I didn't like her at first but I am really admiring her by the Amber Spyglass. She is a different person, growing up and accepting the responsibility that goes with. She has a strong willingness to sacrifice for the good of others and has a great deal of compassion. She was particularly concerned and tender toward The Authority, the cause of all the problems in the universe.
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11-17-2007 06:13 PM
ConnieK wrote:
I think I like Lyra better as a young adult than as a child as well. I'm not sure why? I enjoy strong female characters, too, so that's not it. Hmm...do you think Lyra shows enough vulnerability as a child to be believable as a child character? She seems more vulnerable, perhaps, as she grows toward womanhood? Does that make any sense?
~ConnieK
Nadine wrote:
I think you are right on about Lyra. I didn't like her at first but I am really admiring her by the Amber Spyglass. She is a different person, growing up and accepting the responsibility that goes with. She has a strong willingness to sacrifice for the good of others and has a great deal of compassion. She was particularly concerned and tender toward The Authority, the cause of all the problems in the universe.
Message Edited by ConnieK on 11-17-2007 11:36 AM
I think Pullman might have deliberately set up Lyra as not that likable to begin with, after all we can't both be wrong