09-15-2007 06:22 PM - last edited on 10-05-2007 09:07 AM by ConnieAnnKirk
Message Edited by ConnieK on 10-05-2007 09:07 AM
09-24-2007 10:09 PM
The bears are an interesting species. They don't have daemons so they are not considered human--I guess they haven't got a soul but I'm not sure. But something that was mentioned in the meeting at Jordan College, Lyra remembers in Chapter 19 about Iofur Raknison (the bad bear now in charge) wanting a daemon more than anything else.
Pg 333 "But now it was plain. Everything she'd heard about the bear-king added up: the mighty Iofur Raknison wanted nothing more than to be a human being, with a daemon of his own." He was modeling his kingdom on a human model and had a little doll human daemon that looked like Mrs. Coulter. Lyra even tricks him by saying she is a daemon and wants to be his daemon. Apparently, (on page 341-342) Mrs. Coulter had promised him he could be baptized as a Christian even if he didn't have a daemon. Lyra cleverly adds that the Magisterium in Geneva would probably never agree to the baptism because he didn't have a daemon. But if she, Lyra, was his daemon they would have to baptize him.
This is an interesting bit of HDM theology that I'm not sure I fully understand. But the physical possession of daemon, whether inherent to the species or not, seems to make a difference, at least according to Lyra's and Mrs. Coulter's reasoning, in whether a being is acceptable into the religious community.
There is a bit of a conflict here, though. The Church is out severing children from their daemons to rid them of Dust (or Original Sin I think). In short you are damned if you have one and damned if you don't. Now Mrs. Coulter and Lyra have their own personal agendas and are trying to fool Iofur Raknison. Still that leaves me with the puzzling theological logic behind severing children from their daemons--unless everyone actually has ulterior motives not related to religion.
09-24-2007 10:22 PM
I think this pretty well sets the idea in my mind that Mrs. Coulter is not really a religious fanatic but someone who is just using religion to get power. Maybe this is everyone's motive and the trilogy is not really about theology but using religion as a tool to gain power.
09-28-2007 03:52 PM
09-28-2007 03:55 PM