12-09-2007 01:55 PM
I went to The Golden Compass yesterday with a few people and the movie was so fascinating that even my friend who sleeps through most movies stayed awake through the entire film.
The movie version only made a few minor changes to the storyline, most of which were for the benefit of younger audiences (for example, two characters who originally died were spared and the bloodshed was altered into an artful explosion of Dust). All of the religious themes were kept in the plotline, including the true meaning of Dust (free will)(actually, it is fairly hard to tell what Dust is from the small hints given by the producers/directors/whatever). The visual effects are amazing and overall, the story was easier to understand than the book itself.
Message Edited by dianaprince on 12-08-2007 11:31 AM
It is interesting that this film appears to be a bit unfinished. It runs 118 minutes. It is shorter than the first of the LOTR series of films, The Fellowship of the Ring, by a full hour, it is shorter than the first of the Harry Potter films, The Philosopher's Stone, by 40 minutes, and short of the first of the Narnia films, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, by 30 minutes. Apparently they actually filmed the last three chapters of the book but put it aside "for later." Maybe this was to appease the critics and to make it more a "family Christmas" movie with no controversial ideas. Who knows. This might end up being a better movie on DVD with the full movie restored.
12-10-2007 06:53 PM
I don't know if it's irritating or comical in that it really proves what he is talking about. People get so flargin' scared of someone's "agenda" or ideas, and they get completely closed-minded about it and freak out! They don't even read the books; they just say all sorts of blarney to protect their ideals.
--SPOILERS ON LAST BOOK---
My gosh, this morning's headlines are sure making a fuss about the movie-books! About how the movie is intended to lure kids to the books and the children in the books kill "god". I'm not quite sure if we all read the same book. In the book I read the children only free the pseudo-god from his glass prison. He gratefully dissipates on his own. They show nothing but sympathy and kindness towards him. The villain in the book I read is Metatron who is killed by Mrs. Coulter and Lord Asriel.
This article seems to explain the fuss:
These books opens up possible discussions of people being controlled by religious leaders with their own political agenda. I guess that is the "threat" that is seen here.
12-11-2007 08:31 PM
I also read that the box office for the first weekend was below expectations. Sounds like the jury is still out at New Line about whether or not they will commit to making the 2nd and 3rd films. I think I saw something about their watching to see how the film does in other countries.
12-15-2007 04:01 AM
Has anyone seen the movie Ultraviolet? The combination governmental-religious organization in that movie was more pronounced, but it also had the same agenda to wipe out a subculture of perceived inferior status like the Magisterium. Any thoughts?
12-15-2007 11:13 AM
I actually decided to see it for 2 reasons- first because of an e-mail my nice but overly baptist SIL sent me saying not to see it, but also for the actors. I'm so glad I did.
I doubt any kids would actually put a religious theme/contravery to this movie unless they had read it was suppose to be there. I imagine the "witches" saving people and being smart and honorable was part of the problem.
It was just a good oldest children/YA movie (a little scary for very young kid) with good versus evil and neat animal things and someone their age as the heroine. The special affects were wonderful, especially the bears.
I liked the movie enough to want to read the book (and I'm not usually someone who reads kid books- I didn't even read HP although I loved the movies, and read one LOTR and really loved those movies. I put it (the trilogy version) on my "Christmas" book wish list and think my daughter got it for me based on the size of my wrapped gift under the tree (she probably chose that one so she could read it herself too).
So, hopefully this discussion board will still be around after Christmas.
12-16-2007 11:35 AM
The animation and voices of the daemons was very good. The actors did a great job paying attention to their daemons and made it all look very natural.
The only part that looked a little bad to me was when Lyra was riding the bear. Then I've never actually seen anyone do this so it may have been perfect for all I know.
If you liked the book, then I believe you'll love the movie. The missing bits shouldn't bother most people too much. The story flows really fast and does feel a little short because of it.
Another cool thing was they showed the trailer for Prince Caspian. It looked pretty good to.
12-27-2007 08:28 PM
01-07-2008 06:49 PM - edited 01-07-2008 06:50 PM
It really disappoints me to see these movies with all the money and talent that goes into them because I really believe that they could be a lot better with those ample resources. This is especially discouraging with this movie since the His Dark Materials trilogy doesn't have the following of Harry Potter and so many more people are going to judge the series based on this movie.
Message Edited by anabbeynormality on 01-07-2008 03:50 PM
01-08-2008 05:42 PM
As I told my friends after the screening of the movie and the meet where we all went to watch it, I felt that essential portions of the novel were trimmed. The gift Peter Jackson gave to novel cinema was to take the essential moments out of the books and work them into the story. Words that mattered to characters (see the From Book to Script section on The Two Towers DVD for the talk on Gandolf's words [given in the movie by Wyrmtongue] directed to Éowyn) and scenes that established important themes or granted flavor were deleted as unnecessary. I feel this is the result of using an inexperienced director. I'd like to cite two examples of essential moments that were deleted from the novels that would have enhanced the movie's strengths:
1. Pan's transformation into a badger to push Lyra to meet with Iorek.
I feel this moment is the second most emotional and important moment for establishing the importance of a person's daemon. Her physical and emotional pain at being separated from him is an incredibly powerful and moving moment that could help establish the importance of the daemons and would have enhanced the terrifying nature of the intercision.
2. The gypsian's discussion with Lyra about the dolphin daemon and his or her trapped human.
This is the reason I listed the Éowyn discussion above as it is another moment that adds important flavor to the movie. It also will slow the plot and give the viewers time to breathe. I found this conversation left an impact upon me after reading the book and felt its loss to have had a subtle affect upon the movie.
Personally I found the intercision scene lacked the depth and impact that the novel provided to the moment. Over time you have come to value Pan and care for him as a character. In addition to the above I felt the movie should have taken more time at Bolvahgar to establish Lyra's intelligence and fortitude. In the movie it felt extremely rushed as she appeared there, destroyed and than ran on to the ending of the movie. It would have also helped to have the scene with her discovering the trapped daemons. It would add another punch to both how evil the people there are and the later intercision process.
I believe that the addition of those quintessential moments would greatly increase the impact and quality of the movie.
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I think my school needs to update the List so we can read books we will actually enjoy reading.
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