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Manhunt: The Rebel River Ghost
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03-02-2007 12:30 PM
Is Thomas Jones, the rebel river ghost, to be admired for his code of honor or condemned for his relationship to Booth?
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03-05-2007 07:48 AM
John Updike
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03-06-2007 12:54 PM
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03-09-2007 04:27 PM
Also when Booth noticed his compass was pointing Northwest instead of Southwest, why didn't he and David change direction on the Potomac? Thomas Jones started them off in the correct direction.
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03-11-2007 08:42 AM
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03-14-2007 09:07 PM
Librarian wrote:
I have mixed feelings about Thomas Jones. He did not act like a criminal but like a soldier on the opposite side during a war. As I read that part of the book, I start to like his character but I certainly don't believe in violence. It must be the power of the writing. A couple of things puzzle me. He is considered an honorable person and would not sell out for reward money. How does someone with those scruples accept slavery? Yes, there were kind masters but there were also dire conditions and all those human beings having their lives sold out for profit--
Regarding slavery:
I work at a museum in CT at a house at which the family owned slaves. We often do programs on this topic. One thing I've learned is that it is very difficult for us to comprehend the way slavery was regarded by people alive at that time. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, for example, both knew in their hearts that slavery was wrong but never freed their own slaves. There had never been a time when slavery wasn't condoned somewhere in the world. For that matter, today some Africans are still enslaving other Africans in their own country. Honor and slavery had nothing to do with one another in the life of a gentleman. Lincoln himself used abolition as a means to weaken the South. He said himself that if he could save the Union by freeing no slaves, he would do that.
This is a big topic. Hope this helps a bit.
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03-14-2007 09:08 PM
Librarian wrote:
I have mixed feelings about Thomas Jones. He did not act like a criminal but like a soldier on the opposite side during a war. As I read that part of the book, I start to like his character but I certainly don't believe in violence. It must be the power of the writing. A couple of things puzzle me. He is considered an honorable person and would not sell out for reward money. How does someone with those scruples accept slavery? Yes, there were kind masters but there were also dire conditions and all those human beings having their lives sold out for profit--
Regarding slavery:
I work at a museum in CT at a house at which the family owned slaves. We often do programs on this topic. One thing I've learned is that it is very difficult for us to comprehend the way slavery was regarded by people alive at that time. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, for example, both knew in their hearts that slavery was wrong but never freed their own slaves. There had never been a time when slavery wasn't condoned somewhere in the world. For that matter, today some Africans are still enslaving other Africans in their own country. Honor and slavery had nothing to do with one another in the life of a gentleman. Lincoln himself used abolition as a means to weaken the South. He said himself that if he could save the Union by freeing no slaves, he would do that.
This is a big topic. Hope this helps a bit.
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03-15-2007 06:09 PM
katknit wrote:
Librarian wrote:
I have mixed feelings about Thomas Jones. He did not act like a criminal but like a soldier on the opposite side during a war. As I read that part of the book, I start to like his character but I certainly don't believe in violence. It must be the power of the writing. A couple of things puzzle me. He is considered an honorable person and would not sell out for reward money. How does someone with those scruples accept slavery? Yes, there were kind masters but there were also dire conditions and all those human beings having their lives sold out for profit--
Regarding slavery:
I work at a museum in CT at a house at which the family owned slaves. We often do programs on this topic. One thing I've learned is that it is very difficult for us to comprehend the way slavery was regarded by people alive at that time. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, for example, both knew in their hearts that slavery was wrong but never freed their own slaves. There had never been a time when slavery wasn't condoned somewhere in the world. For that matter, today some Africans are still enslaving other Africans in their own country. Honor and slavery had nothing to do with one another in the life of a gentleman. Lincoln himself used abolition as a means to weaken the South. He said himself that if he could save the Union by freeing no slaves, he would do that.
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bit.
Katknit----Thank you for the interesting look into the attitudes toward slavery!
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03-15-2007 06:46 PM
If today for example, lets say (and dont get upset if you live there, its my old stomping grounds too
I personally, find NO one who helped Booth in the least as heroes. They were coconspirators and nothing heroic about it. Thomas Jones was good at what he did and so he took no money and help at peril of his own life, big deal. WHY was he in peril for it? Because it was the act of treason and the act of murder and he harbored and abeted criminals. He wasnt in peril trying to save a just man , or hiding women and children from soldiers from either side when many were molested. He wasnt in peril for hiding negroes trying to run from slavery. He was in peril for hiding the man who killed the nations leader. Even Booth himself was surprised at the reaction from all the papers, he was a wanted hunted criminal that even the southern papers called him so, and he was baffled. His "audience" had not acted as he had thought. Jones, I believe, if had he been caught and hanged back when he had done it, would not have been seen as a hero even later, just another one of the actors in this act. But with the war 20 years in the past, and here was a man with a story, the one everyone had wondered about, still alive to tell it and old (by their recogning lol) was ready to tell it, thats what made him the folk hero I think, nothing more than someone to fill in the gaps of the story and quite a character at that. Heroic acts are not necessarily the same as being a Hero.
p.s. I do not think of the confederate soldiers as all murderers and I hope I didnt insinuate that. I think there were some heroic "real" soldiers of the south, but what made them heroic was not how many they killed, but how many they saved.
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