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Re: Hobbit Garden

An interesting idea. I'm not into miniatures but I do like theme gardens. I like the hypertufa idea to create Hobbit related garden art like a troll or treebeard. I could also see something like a Smaug wind chime.




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After watching the movie extras on the creation of Hobbiton, I began thinking of a miniature Hobbit Garden project in my back yard. I was surprise when I looked around the web that no one seems to have ventured into this except by planting plants mentioned in Hobbit-LOTR. My idea was really a miniature, maybe a replica of Hobbition with little green mounds, in maybe a circular garden area. I might even put in little Hobbit Holes and figurines. Trees would be difficult but maybe little bonzai trees in small pots stuck among rocks might work. I'm just thinking about it but I was wondering if any of you have thought about it or have any good ideas.

I like the idea of wood carving. That might work. I could then carve my little trees and maybe Treebeard. It would be a totally fantasy garden and not necessarily an "authentic map." I also discovered hypertufa that might be a useful material in my garden. I could see hypertufa trolls and caves. http://www.efildoog-nz.com/hypertufa.htm Here is a recipe: http://www.all-about-planters.com/articles/hypertufa_pots.html They are apparently very light.

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Re: My Hobbit Pen Name and Rank


BarbaraN wrote:

dianaprince wrote:
According to your chart, I am only a Tolkien Reader. :smileysad: I have had plenty of experience in Tolkien-related subjects such as Latin, mythology, folklore and fantasy/sci-fi writing, however, so what does that make me then??? Am I still only a Tolkien reader??




Hmmm Pansy Bumbleroot (I like that name), maybe we need another category. :smileysurprised: How about a "Tolkien Student". Or maybe a "Tolkien Student with Specialization Studies". Fanuidhol pointed out the need for the category "Tolkien Fan." Maybe that could be our catch-all category for those that are hard to categorized. Or you can define yourself as "Huge Fan of The Hobbit!"

We range from people who are first-time readers to those who have been reading Tolkien and studying his work for decades. There is a place for everyone here, though those who are new to Tolkien are going to approach his body of work a bit differently than those who have been studying his works for a long time. It should be an interesting mix. I feel "fanatic" creeping up on me. I've been pricing "Sting!"




The title "Huge Fan of the Hobbit" is fine with me!!! :smileyvery-happy: "Pansy Bumbleroot" is also a good name... I think I'll add that to my signature. Thanks for finding my hobbit name, BarbaraN!!!
By the way, did you mean Sting by the actual sword, or the toy Sting sword which was manufactured when the first LOTR movie came out??
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For BarbaraN: Tolkien's Dragons

BarbaraN, I remember that you like dragons, but don't remember the thread...
While researching for another thread, I came upon this:
http://www.cep.unt.edu/~hargrove/dragons.html
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Re: For BarbaraN: Tolkien's Dragons


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BarbaraN, I remember that you like dragons, but don't remember the thread...
While researching for another thread, I came upon this:
http://www.cep.unt.edu/~hargrove/dragons.html
Enjoy,
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Thanks Fan. And all of Tolkien's dragons in one place. I enjoyed the articled--especially the story about the three-headed dragon!
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Re: LOTR: Prancing Pony: Off-topic chat

oldBPL, I'm moving your general Tolkien discussions over to the Prancing Pony, a good place for a bit of a chat over a mug of your favorite beverage.

oldBPLstackdenizen wrote:

The idea of having it be a serialized format sounds intruiging, also- I also remember reading, many years ago, a comment by a Tolkien "fan"- who said the way she had heard the story was when she got together with her brother and sister { I think it was } and they read the books together- one chapter a week- on, say, Friday night... so they could have time { all through the next week } to savor the chapter they had just finished and also to anticipate what suprises might be in store in the upcoming chapter...
After I heard this, I thought: "I wish I could have done it that way"...as I had already gobbled down the books with such a greedy apetite...
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oldBPL, you do get me thinking about things. I also like the idea of of the chapter by chapter discussion and relishing the books for the first time myself. Once a week would be too long for me since I would be anxious to move on a bit faster. After all we are not all as young as we used to be. :smileywink: With the Hobbit that would be 81 weeks!

It has been sometime since I read the books and then only once so this time through is almost a first time for me. What I am discovering is that each time through can be a first time because with Tolkien you are always unearthing new information and then as you reread the books they evolve into deeper and more meaningful stories. With the group interaction I think we will be seeing many viewpoints that we never thought of that will open up new facets of the books and we will be truly be discovering them again for the first time. I am already discovering that in my second, but somewhat rushed, and superficial reading of the Fellowship right now. I wanted to see how it compared to the movie, and discovered it was a similar tale but told differently. Seeing the differences and thinking about them caused me to see both the books and the movie in a different way then my first times through each. Now I am appreciating the uniqueness and the artistry of each of the works.

This is definitely so with the Hobbit. Already I am appreciating Tolkien's use of language a lot more than I did the first time through. The sly way he phrases things but with a deeper serious meaning. His foreshadowing of events to come. The way he fits seemingly small events into larger ones and ties all his strings together. His love of poetry and how he incorporates the poems into the advancement and telling of the story. I hate to admit this but I skipped most of the poetry the first time through. Now I am relishing it. There are whole stories within the poems and songs and all sorts of facts and ideas that pertain to the story as a whole.

See I can ramble on also, oldBPL!
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Re: LOTR: Prancing Pony: Off-topic chat

Just going to throw in a few thoughts to go along with some of the subjects raised in these "Off-Topic Chat" pages...
Around 1970-71, when I was still in Junior High School, I attempted to join "The Tolkien Society Of America"...As it turned out, the "Society" didn't exist per se, anymore, at that time, but I was redirected to a "Fanzine" called "Orcrist"- which emanated from The University Of Wisconsin, at Madison, Wisc.
In one of the issues, I read something by the Editor, who was discussing the various "types" of Tolkien readers and/or "Scholars"- as he saw it, at any rate...
He divided them up into groups, one of which were the Graduate Students who found subjects in common with Tolkien and their field of study ( i.e.: Linguistics, Medeival Studies, Mythology } or those who focused their energies on exploring and cataloging the different aspects of "Middle-Earth"- The Languages, Geography, "Culture"- etc.-
and then a third group, which he described as being something along the lines of "your
basic neurotic 13-year-old, who needs to escape from reality by retreating into the books"...
At the time, I thought that I only recognized myself as belonging to that last category ...but to be fair to myself, that wasn't completely true...
Thanks to a wonderful English teacher I had at the time, I was exposed to "Beowulf" and "Chaucer" and even a little about Icelandic Sagas...and "Sir Gawain and The Green Knight"...Some of these things all tied in to Tolkien's works, and I think I got somewhat of a background on some of his "sources"- although I still feel what we recognize as "Middle-Earth" is basically all his own creation... ( I even dabbled a little in Celtic Mythology at the time, although I didn't delve too deep into that subject )

About this time, I learned that "Mead" was a very strong drink, distilled from honey, that was a favorite of the Vikings...
I'm afraid I never got the chance to try any "Mead"- and at this point, I guess I never will- as I have not had any Alchololic Beverages of any kind for the last twenty years...
{ I drink a lot of tea }...
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Re: Hobbit Garden

When I was growing up in Berkeley, California [ from the time I was seven years old until the time I was seventeen ] my mother and I lived in rooms at the back of a house. There was a very large house next door and in the back of that house, there was a small cottage...There were windows at the Northwest corner of our house, which overlooked that cottage...In the small plot in front of the cottage, there was a flower garden- which I always recall as having many very brightly colored flowers- some of which I'm certain were "Snapdragons"...After I read "The Hobbit" [ and " LOTR" ] I always afterwards associated this garden in my mind with Bilbo's garden at Bag-End...
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oldBPLstackdenizen wrote:
About this time, I learned that "Mead" was a very strong drink, distilled from honey, that was a favorite of the Vikings...
I'm afraid I never got the chance to try any "Mead"- and at this point, I guess I never will- as I have not had any Alchololic Beverages of any kind for the last twenty years...
{ I drink a lot of tea }...
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The mead I tried was definitely a wine (12% alcohol) and a very delicate drink. At first I thought mead was a beer or an ale of some sort. But I think you are right. Vikings probably distilled the beverage so it would have been more potent. I can't imagine Vikings sipping delicately on mead wine.

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Re: Mead


BarbaraN wrote:
oldBPLstackdenizen wrote:
About this time, I learned that "Mead" was a very strong drink, distilled from honey, that was a favorite of the Vikings...
I'm afraid I never got the chance to try any "Mead"- and at this point, I guess I never will- as I have not had any Alchololic Beverages of any kind for the last twenty years...
{ I drink a lot of tea }...
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The mead I tried was definitely a wine (12% alcohol) and a very delicate drink. At first I thought mead was a beer or an ale of some sort. But I think you are right. Vikings probably distilled the beverage so it would have been more potent. I can't imagine Vikings sipping delicately on mead wine.

Message Edited by BarbaraN on 02-02-2008 08:29 PM




This page seems to tell you more about mead and other Viking beverages than you would ever really want to know:

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/drink.shtml

Wikipedia has a shorter summary but their pictured mead looks very cheap and I can't imagine drinking a mug of the mead I had. Mine was a very fine wine and even came in a corked bottle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead

The mead I bought:

http://www.chaucerswine.com/mead.asp

It is difficult to describe the taste but maybe like a very light apple juice or cider with a bit of honey in it. It isn't as heavy as apple juice.

As far as the mulled version--I found that very sweet tasting. Maybe like a cinnamon, orange, and apple tea with honey in it. There are many variations on the spice mixture but that was close to what I had. So brew yourself some cinnamon and apple spice tea, add honey to it, pour it into a drinking horn and I think you will be close. But then no one really knows what the Vikings or Norse gods drank and there seems to be a wide range of recipes.
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Well, after my last trip to B&N I didn't find the annotated version of the Hobbit so I broke down and ordered it, lol it didn't take to much arm twisting. Anyway it just arrived in the mail in really good condition. I don't think anyone at the store it came from even opened it at all as the binding is really tight. Only wear mark is on a corner on the jacket. What a great buy for $5! I haven't had much time to look at it yet but since our discussion starts tomorrow I better start doing a lot of reading!
Now that I am older I am finding I get way too relaxed or something while I read as I end up falling asleep so easily and quickly even during the best part of books :smileysad:
I can say though since having my daughter I have read so many new and interesting stories that I didn't as a kid that it has helped bring the drive of reading books to/for myself again!

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Re: LOTR: Pen Name

oldBPLstackdenizen wrote:
Post-Script: I'm thinking of adding my own "Hobbit Name" to these letters, now..
I'm considering "Ardo Whortleberry of Hobottle" I guess anybody can tell me what they think of that one...I had toyed with using a "real" name from the books { "Radagast The Brown" } but I thought maybe my own invented name might be better...
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A good idea Ardo. I like it. Our esteem leader (and some others) doesn't like his name -- Pimple Knotwise of Michel Delving. :smileyvery-happy: So Paul we will allow you to chose your own name. You can make it up or chose a character.
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love4books wrote:
Well, after my last trip to B&N I didn't find the annotated version of the Hobbit so I broke down and ordered it, lol it didn't take to much arm twisting. Anyway it just arrived in the mail in really good condition. I don't think anyone at the store it came from even opened it at all as the binding is really tight. Only wear mark is on a corner on the jacket. What a great buy for $5! I haven't had much time to look at it yet but since our discussion starts tomorrow I better start doing a lot of reading!
Now that I am older I am finding I get way too relaxed or something while I read as I end up falling asleep so easily and quickly even during the best part of books :smileysad:
I can say though since having my daughter I have read so many new and interesting stories that I didn't as a kid that it has helped bring the drive of reading books to/for myself again!

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I'm glad you were able to get the Annotated Hobbit. They must be running very low. Too bad because it is such a nice book. I think it is worth it just to look at the illustrations made by Tolkien himself and other artists. Most are in black & white (though there are some in color) and The Annotated Hobbit references the book, J.R.R. Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator, where they are in color. I liked the illustrations enough that I am going to order the Artist book. Hmmm, my linear feet of Tolkien books is getting longer everyday!
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Re: LOTR: Prancing Pony: Off-topic chat

I keep referring to The Hobbit and LOTR as a series of sort but I'm not quite sure what to call it. Three books are a trilogy but what are four books? I've seen or used various devices like Hobbit-LOTR, Ring series, Tolkien's popular fiction, Hobbit and LOTR, etc. Any ideas as to what is the best way to refer to this series of books?
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lorien wrote:
I keep referring to The Hobbit and LOTR as a series of sort but I'm not quite sure what to call it. Three books are a trilogy but what are four books? I've seen or used various devices like Hobbit-LOTR, Ring series, Tolkien's popular fiction, Hobbit and LOTR, etc. Any ideas as to what is the best way to refer to this series of books?




"The book is not of course a 'trilogy'. That and the titles of the volumes was a fudge thought necessary for publication, owing to length and cost. There is no real division into 3, nor is any one part intelligible alone." Letters of JRR Tolkien #165 pg 221.

When I keep them separate -- Silmarillion (Silm), Hobbit (H), Lord of the Rings (LotR). As a whole Middle-earth (M-e).
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I'm really liking this Tolkien bookclub! I'm so glad all of you are part of it. Everytime I login I find out something new.

I also wanted to tell you all something funny :smileyhappy: I always use the same name online, lmpmn, and I can't tell you how many people think it's impmn! Not that it matters, I just think it's so funny--like it's imp man or something! It's actually l for Laura which is my first name. However, it's still better than Pimple Knotwise of Michel Delving! :smileyhappy:

I wanted to share what a great deal I got on books from B&N online in their bargain spot. I bought 10 books, all hardcover except one, for only $56.32. I couldn't believe it! Some of them were fairly new releases too, like The Widow of the South and The Doctor's Wife and The Historian. I also got a beautiful copy of the complete Sherlock Holmes, bound in leather with gold-edged pages (I forget what that's called) for $9.99. Several of the copies were only $3.99. You can't find a better deal than that for a hardcover. Plus free shipping--I don't buy online unless I can get that!
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lmpmn wrote:
I'm really liking this Tolkien bookclub! I'm so glad all of you are part of it. Everytime I login I find out something new.

I also wanted to tell you all something funny :smileyhappy: I always use the same name online, lmpmn, and I can't tell you how many people think it's impmn! Not that it matters, I just think it's so funny--like it's imp man or something! It's actually l for Laura which is my first name. However, it's still better than Pimple Knotwise of Michel Delving! :smileyhappy:

I wanted to share what a great deal I got on books from B&N online in their bargain spot. I bought 10 books, all hardcover except one, for only $56.32. I couldn't believe it! Some of them were fairly new releases too, like The Widow of the South and The Doctor's Wife and The Historian. I also got a beautiful copy of the complete Sherlock Holmes, bound in leather with gold-edged pages (I forget what that's called) for $9.99. Several of the copies were only $3.99. You can't find a better deal than that for a hardcover. Plus free shipping--I don't buy online unless I can get that!




I think I have been using impmn as well. I didn't even notice it. So instead of calling you Imp I will try to remember Laura from now on!

You did get a good deal on books. It is amazing what you can pick up on the bargain "table." I too find I'm always buy more than I need to get that free shipping! I'm sure there is some logic in my head :smileywink:
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Yes, I think my "Hobbit Name" choice will serve its purposes nicely- you may probably have noticed that I have been signing it to some of my other posts already...

I wanted to toss in something else again, which came to mind when I was sending in my thoughts about "The Unexpected Party"... I was about nine years old when I first read "The Hobbit"- and I guess I didn't always understand the meaning of all the words I might read...
[ occaisonally, when I was a little older, I might look up a word in the Dictionary, but mainly, I would just gather a word's meaning from its context ]
Anyway, when I read that sentence in that first chapter that goes something like:
"Bilbo stuck his fingers inside his braces, and blew out a smoke-ring..." I could only picture those orthodontic appliances called "braces"- and even though it struck me as being odd, in the context of the story, I had the somewhat ludicrous picture in my mind of Bilbo having "braces" on his teeth... It was much later that I finally realized that "braces" was the British term for what we refer to as "suspenders"...

[ I think I also had a similar problem when "the fender" of Bilbo's fireplace was mentioned...I think I knew that it couldn't really be an automobile "fender"- but in my young, less "formed and set" mind, I couldn't help picturing something like a car fender in association with that passage ...although, I think I still had an "inkling" that that word might have a different meaning than the one I was accustomed to... Something to do with fireplaces, at any rate... ]

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oldBPLstackdenizen wrote:
Yes, I think my "Hobbit Name" choice will serve its purposes nicely- you may probably have noticed that I have been signing it to some of my other posts already...

I wanted to toss in something else again, which came to mind when I was sending in my thoughts about "The Unexpected Party"... I was about nine years old when I first read "The Hobbit"- and I guess I didn't always understand the meaning of all the words I might read...
[ occaisonally, when I was a little older, I might look up a word in the Dictionary, but mainly, I would just gather a word's meaning from its context ]
Anyway, when I read that sentence in that first chapter that goes something like:
"Bilbo stuck his fingers inside his braces, and blew out a smoke-ring..." I could only picture those orthodontic appliances called "braces"- and even though it struck me as being odd, in the context of the story, I had the somewhat ludicrous picture in my mind of Bilbo having "braces" on his teeth... It was much later that I finally realized that "braces" was the British term for what we refer to as "suspenders"...

[ I think I also had a similar problem when "the fender" of Bilbo's fireplace was mentioned...I think I knew that it couldn't really be an automobile "fender"- but in my young, less "formed and set" mind, I couldn't help picturing something like a car fender in association with that passage ...although, I think I still had an "inkling" that that word might have a different meaning than the one I was accustomed to... Something to do with fireplaces, at any rate... ]

Once Again, At Your Service, Ardo Whortleberry of Hobottle...




:smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:
Anyway, when I read that sentence in that first chapter that goes something like:
"Bilbo stuck his fingers inside his braces, and blew out a smoke-ring..." I could only picture those orthodontic appliances called "braces"- and even though it struck me as being odd, in the context of the story, I had the somewhat ludicrous picture in my mind of Bilbo having "braces" on his teeth... It was much later that I finally realized that "braces" was the British term for what we refer to as "suspenders"...
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I had the same association when I first read this. :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:
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Dear Bramblerose.... I'm extremely gratified that you got such a "kick" out of my little observation about the "braces"...I had a feeling I hadn't gotten the quote exactly right, however, so I went back and looked it up, and I see what it said exactly was:
"( Bilbo ) stuck one thumb behind his braces, and blew out another even bigger smoke-ring..."
Which, of course, at the time I first read it, only served to place the erroneous impression of orthodontic braces in my mind even more clearly...
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Re: Mead

There certainly is a wealth of information concerning "Mead" in those articles...
[ Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Mead, But Were Afraid To Ask? ]
I might have to go back and spend more time with those articles if I wish to get all caught up on "The Mead Story"...
That Old English "Riddle" - the one whose Answer is "Mead"- that really describes the potential hazards of alcohol consumption well... [ It really brings it home to me, where I well remember these hazards, from my drinking days ]...

For me, I think I could just put a little honey in some apple cider, maybe, and call it
"Mead" and be content...

For all the years I have not been drinking alcohol, I still have been enjoying
Non-Alcoholic Beer [ and, occaisionally, N.A. Wine, as well ] although not quite so much lately ...
...I believe when the weather really starts warming up, I'd like to return to some of that N.A. Beer consumption [ perhaps hobbit-style, along with a steaming plate of mushrooms! ]

For, after all, "Better Be Beer, If Drink We Lack,
And Water Hot, Poured Down The Back!"

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