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On the future of this board

Hello everyone,

 

Now that discussion of the Lord of the Rings trilogy has been concluded for some time, we're going to be retiring this forum and merging Tolkien discussion into the Fantasy and SciFi forum.

 

What this means is that we will move the most active discussion threads into the Fantasy/SciFi forum, where they can continue.  The remainder - all past discussions - will be archived.

 

I'm going to start moving the active threads over today.  If, in a few days, there are threads that haven't been moved but that you think really ought be continued in the new home for these discussions, please let me know.

 

Thanks!

 

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And though I oft have passed them by,

A day will come at last when I

shall take the hidden paths that run

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Re: On the future of this board


Jon_B wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

Now that discussion of the Lord of the Rings trilogy has been concluded for some time, we're going to be retiring this forum and merging Tolkien discussion into the Fantasy and SciFi forum.

 

What this means is that we will move the most active discussion threads into the Fantasy/SciFi forum, where they can continue. The remainder - all past discussions - will be archived.

 

I'm going to start moving the active threads over today. If, in a few days, there are threads that haven't been moved but that you think really ought be continued in the new home for these discussions, please let me know.

 

Thanks!

 

Here are a few I think should be moved:

 

Fantasy need an off-topic chat above the line - every board does. It keeps out a lot of clutter.

We have been recently posting to these threads:

SILM: Ainulindale (Very important since it was the start of our suspended discussion of the Silmarillion)

Letters of Tolkien
The Nature of Evil
Tolkien's Middle-earth
Tolkien's Philosophy and Intentions

Will we get a link to the archives in case we have to reference something?

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Re: On the future of this board

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Hi Nadine,

 

I'll go ahead and move those over.

 

In response to your question - all the "retired" forums can still be viewed here:

 

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/bn/?category.id=Archive

 

They're all there in alphabetical order.

 

And if you have the url for the Tolkien board bookmarked, it'll still go to the forum so you can still reference old posts.  In fact you'll still be able to post in it if you really want to, but it won't be considered an "active" board and won't be listed on the main Book Clubs directory. 

 

Message Edited by Jon_B on 09-02-2008 12:36 PM
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Re: On the future of this board

Good Afternoon, Jon B ---

 

I have to confess, I was a little bit flabbergasted to find out the Tolkien discussions were about to become

"merged" with the general Sci/Fi Fantasy discussions, and that our little "niche-corner" here was about to fall under the shadow of the "umbrella" of  "Sci/Fi Fantasy".  ---

 

I know it appears as though this  "specialist" group has been semi-inactive ( after a period of rather intense

activity sort of having had built itself up to its "apex" ), especially during  the "Summer  Doldrums",

however,  the full discussions of   "The Return Of  The  King"  were  never fully  completed, but more like merely "just begun".  ---

 

I suppose if there is nothing that can be done  to remedy this situation, and what has to be, has to be,

but I hope some form of "The Prancing Pony" Thread -

( with its welcoming format for less "serious" discussion, and for the placement of "odds & ends",

and a spot for friendly chatter amongst us "Tolkienians" )

will also get transferred over to the new setting...

It wouldn't have to include all that has come before ( many pages of such stuff ) -

perhaps  it could just be the introduction of a new Thread, with the same basic  concept of more

"informal discussion"

( in  the Tolkien-related  environs ) ---

 

I would nominate "The Green Dragon Inn" as a good name for such a Thread, although I realize

"The Prancing Pony"  has the  advantage of having the connotation of being "located" at a "cross-roads", which is appropriate...

 

Most Respectfully  Yours,

Ardo Whortleberry  of Hobottle,

Tolkien  Reader

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Re: On the future of this board

[ Edited ]

Sorry double post but I don't know how it happened.

Message Edited by Nadine on 09-02-2008 10:44 PM
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Re: On the future of this board

I agree, Ardo. Fantasy/SF should have a "Chat" thread so that everyone doesn't start a new one with only a few posts and then it is forgotten. We can always start our own, but it would be best if it were above the line. Ditto on an "Introduce Yourself". It eliminates numerous "I'm New to the Group" threads and makes it more comfortable for people to start participating when they first join a group. We put both those threads in when we invaded the Fiction Group with the Reader's Choice Book Club and asked a moderator to stick them above the line for us.

 

Most groups do have a "theme" name for their Chat Room related to the group. The new one should be a theme appropriate to the whole group. We should leave that up to our fearless leader, Paul. He knows a lot about what would make a good theme name. Green Dragon seems appropriate for a Fantasy Group. However, I don't know if it is appropriate to the SF side but then it might not matter. The important thing is just to have one. It is usually the most popular thread in a group along with the "Introduce Yourself."

 

We may do better with our Tolkien discussions under the Fantasy/SF group because there are many people here who have read LOTR and The Hobbit. They may respond to a posting that is under their nose, whereas they might not have been following the Tolkien discussions. If people are still interested in discussing "The Return of the King" we can start a thread there.

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Re: On the future of this board


Jon_B wrote:

Hi Nadine,

 

I'll go ahead and move those over.

 

In response to your question - all the "retired" forums can still be viewed here:

 

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/bn/?category.id=Archive

 

They're all there in alphabetical order.

 

And if you have the url for the Tolkien board bookmarked, it'll still go to the forum so you can still reference old posts.  In fact you'll still be able to post in it if you really want to, but it won't be considered an "active" board and won't be listed on the main Book Clubs directory. 

 

Message Edited by Jon_B on 09-02-2008 12:36 PM

Boldface is mine.

So, if I am reading this right then we can still post here on this board rather than SF and F.

Fan

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Re: On the future of this board

I just tested the dead boards and it looks as though you can post to them. But no one can get to them unless they know they are there. The only reason I can is that I saved that link. Old Board Graveyard. Then you have to be willing to look through literally at least a hundred boards to find out what is there. We theoretically have a direct link that will always take us to the dead Tolkien Board but if you lose the link, you can't get back to it, no new people or, for that matter, old returning people like you, will ever be able to find it or even know it is there and we are actively discussing Tolkien.
We did survive in SF/Fantasy for awhile (remember the good old days!?) and were very active there. In fact we were so much so that we discouraged all the SF trivia posts. We could dominate the SF board again and re-establish those discussion threads that were trashed. At least some new people could find us.
I just don't know if there are enough (non-discouraged) old people left to make a go at a "private" club. A lot were away for the summer and others got discourage by the move. I haven't seen Dagor or tiggerbear for awhile. Ardo tried but gave up (he also couldn't find a thread to work with in the SF group and dosen't know how to start one.). No discussers and you can't have a discussion by yourself. They killed the initiative of this group and those that left may never come back and certainly will never find us if they do. They will just assume we have gone.
 

Fanuidhol wrote:

Jon_B wrote:

Hi Nadine,

 

I'll go ahead and move those over.

 

In response to your question - all the "retired" forums can still be viewed here:

 

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/bn/?category.id=Archive

 

They're all there in alphabetical order.

 

And if you have the url for the Tolkien board bookmarked, it'll still go to the forum so you can still reference old posts. In fact you'll still be able to post in it if you really want to, but it won't be considered an "active" board and won't be listed on the main Book Clubs directory.

 

Message Edited by Jon_B on 09-02-2008 12:36 PM

Boldface is mine.

So, if I am reading this right then we can still post here on this board rather than SF and F.

Fan


 

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Re: On the future of this board

Nadine,

While it is true that it would be difficult for new people to find our Tolkien board without some help like a url that they could bookmark, it isn't impossible.  We would have to make sure that we explain that there is no way to search out the Tolkien board.  They would have to safeguard their bookmarked url. 

As for old friends, hopefully, they might wander in out of the cold.

Fan

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Re: On the future of this board

We could ask B&N to post a permanent link above the line in SF/Fantasy to our Graveyard location the same way they did when they moved us to our own board.

 

I do have to admit the threads in SF/Fantasy are getting pretty cluttered already and I can't find or be sure what is a Tolkien discussion and what is not. 

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Re: On the future of this board

This may seem like a totally off-the-wall idea but why not turn the Tolkien board into a Fantasy board and make SF/Fantasy just Science Fiction. Paul's plan will mean there will be at least four active discussions going on each month: a fantasy feature, SF feature, New Releases, and The Silmarillian (and we need a lot threads). I gather there is a lot going on in this genre. That is going to be a lot of clutter on a single board unless they are allocated a week slot each and that sure won't work for Silm.

 

Another Fantasy discussion on the this board wouldn't be bad and there would probably be a lot of cross discussion. A new Fantasy Release could be fine too. I would have been interested in the Orc book Paul suggested except it hasn't been published yet! It would have fit in just fine. Even the Eragon book fits. Some of us might not join the Fantasy discussion but this is still a good core discussion group.

 

Paranormal was a split off from the SF/Fantasy board and it is doing well but imagine if it were also in SF/Fantasy now. The board would sink from the clutter or one area would dominate and nothing else would get discussed.

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Re: On the future of this board

Good Afternoon, Nadine!   ^^^^^^^

 

Actually, "Ardo Lives"!       >>>>>

 

And, as Charlie Brown used to often say: "I never know what is going on around here!" ^^^^^

All I know for sure is when I go to the B&N Book Club Site, I do still find a listing for "J.R.R. Tolkien" discussions & then, when I click on that, it takes me to the same familiar site that I know and love, with all the old accumulation of Threads that it had aquired along the way...I have even posted to some of those threads since the announcement of the upcoming Big Change...

 

I have also managed to find my way over to the Sci/Fi Fantasy boards when replying to that

"Letters Of Tolkien" Thread ( by going through the Tolkien Book Club/"Letters" Thread, and clicking on the link [ the "url" I think it is ] that transports me over there, where I have left a few posts on that subject...

It's true, however, that I'm inept at starting brand-new Threads on my own...

 

I'm not sure what's been going with  Tigger, she is quite busy right now , perhaps? -

( in my family, as well, there are serious things going on that require attention - and sometimes I'm just off the "Net" for days at a time anyway, - but I do also tend to send in more posts when other folks are also posting more often as well - the more ideas and opinions there are there to "bounce off of",

the more there is to discuss...)

But, I know Dagor likes to take his time and do his research, and only "reports in" with his more "finished" and highly polished works....

In a letter to me, he did state he was still planning more work on the ROTK discussions...

I'm still confused about this whole business, anyway - like the part about being able to post to old Threads

although they are considered "Inactive" ( and what difference that makes )---

 

Ardo

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oldBPLstackdenizen wrote:

 

But, I know Dagor likes to take his time and do his research, and only "reports in" with his more "finished" and highly polished works....

In a letter to me, he did state he was still planning more work on the ROTK discussions...

I'm still confused about this whole business, anyway - like the part about being able to post to old Threads

although they are considered "Inactive" ( and what difference that makes )---

 

Ardo


Hi Ardo.

I have known Dagor for a fair number of years and under at least an equal number of "nicknames".  I suspect he'll turn up if he hasn't already (under a new name)...

 

I don't see a difference in how our board works, either.  I've even thought about asking for our moved threads to be moved back...what do you think?

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Hi, Fan ! ---

 

If we are indeed allowed to ask ( that the Threads that have already been moved get moved back )

then I would second the motion ( to do so ) ---

Of course, maybe the "Big Change-over" hasn't happened yet -

and that's why I can't see what the big difference is yet, but am still about to find out -

But if others wouldn't mind "signing" a make-shift "petition" to reverse the proposed proceedings

[ concerning the "Future of this Board" ]

They could all send their opinions on the subject ( yea or nay ) to this same Thread ---

 

Ardo

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Re: On the future of this board

Just to give you all a heads up, we are moving this board to our "archives" on Monday, September 15.

 


Jon_B wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

Now that discussion of the Lord of the Rings trilogy has been concluded for some time, we're going to be retiring this forum and merging Tolkien discussion into the Fantasy and SciFi forum.

 

What this means is that we will move the most active discussion threads into the Fantasy/SciFi forum, where they can continue.  The remainder - all past discussions - will be archived.

 

I'm going to start moving the active threads over today.  If, in a few days, there are threads that haven't been moved but that you think really ought be continued in the new home for these discussions, please let me know.

 

Thanks!

 

Still round the corner there may wait

A new road or a secret gate;

And though I oft have passed them by,

A day will come at last when I

shall take the hidden paths that run

West of the Moon, East of the Sun.  


 

 



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Re Fan's : "I don't see a difference in how our board works, either.  I've even thought about asking for our moved threads to be moved back...what do you think?"

 

I think that is a GREAT idea! Already the three or four Tolkien topics moved to the fantasy board have become buried in other topics so that one has to search the whole page. What will happen once "our" topics get pushed off the front page and one has to "thumb-back" page after page hoping to find them? 

 

Maybe we can just reopen them here ourselves, and cut and paste to keep both the Fantasy board Tolkien topics, and these here up to date?

 

I suppose, if this board is "archived" that might impact our abilities to find and use it? 

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Dagor wrote:

Re Fan's : "I don't see a difference in how our board works, either. I've even thought about asking for our moved threads to be moved back...what do you think?"

 

I think that is a GREAT idea! Already the three or four Tolkien topics moved to the fantasy board have become buried in other topics so that one has to search the whole page. What will happen once "our" topics get pushed off the front page and one has to "thumb-back" page after page hoping to find them?

 

Yes, that is getting to be a big problem. There is already too much on SF/Fantasy board and Paul hasn't even introduced his 3-4 features per month yet. If you click the "^" (an "up carrot" right under the "B&N" under "Latest Post" ) at the end of the thread on the front page, it will move the selected topic above the line but for you only. It won't "float" and that might help. However, it is going to be pure chaos on that board for many people.

 

Maybe we can just reopen them here ourselves, and cut and paste to keep both the Fantasy board Tolkien topics, and these here up to date?

 

I suppose, if this board is "archived" that might impact our abilities to find and use it?

 

Yes, newcomers would not be able to find the Archived board. It is essentially gone. People like Tiggerbear, who is obviously on vacation, will come back and not know it is there. Also other people who may have left the boards for awhile (like Dagor and Fan did) and I don't know if Ardo will ever find his way there (though you have done pretty well between the two boards so far, Ardo).

 

I'm not sure if it would be practical to try to maintain a discussion on an Archive board. It will be a discussion that no one sees. We've always gotten a lot of readers. And we will want to attract new people.

 

I would recommend giving the Fantasy board a try and moving your threads above the line by clicking the "up-carot" at the end of the thread line. That way you will not have to hunt for the threads.

 

I would also recommend that you list the threads you want moved over the Fantasy board now posted here so the "powers that be" can move them.

 

I would also recommend that you save the link to this board so you can visit it and retrieve information from threads not moved and starting new similar ones on the Fantasy board as needed.

 

I would also recommend "tagging" our threads on the Fantasy board like a "SILM:" in front of the Topic Title for those discussion threads, "LOTR:" and HOBBIT:" on topic specific to those books and "TOLKIEN:" in front of the general topics. That will help us spot our threads

 

Try the "up carrot" to put the Tolkiien threads above the line. It may make a big difference to you.

 

Look at the bright side. There are so many people on that board that we are getting participation from people who might not have noticed our topics before. I saw some good Tolkien postings by new people under the "Orc" topic.


 


Message Edited by Nadine on 09-11-2008 10:31 PM
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[ Edited ]

Thanks Nadine!

 

RE Nadine's: Try the "up carrot" to put the Tolkiien threads above the line. It may make a big difference to you.

 

Of course even though I now have the topics in which I'm interested above the line, I assume they'll disappear each time I clear my history and get rid of all the pesky cookies. LOL

 

Sigh nothing's ever perfect, so I bet we all find ways to cope.

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Dagor wrote:

Thanks Nadine!

 

RE Nadine's: Try the "up carrot" to put the Tolkiien threads above the line. It may make a big difference to you.

 

Of course even though I now have the topics in which I'm interested above the line, I assume they'll disappear each time I clear my history and get rid of all the pesky cookies. LOL

 

Sigh nothing's ever perfect, so I bet we all find ways to cope.

Message Edited by Dagor on 09-12-2008 01:59 PM

I think they are part of your "Log On" preferences. When you are not signed on, the board is different but once you Log On you get all the preferences you designated for your your account. So you should be able to delete your cookies with impunity.

 

 

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[ Edited ]

 

Please move threads:

Eowyn (presently a very active thread)

Re: The Impact of The Hobbit and LOTR on Contemporary Fantasy (this thread might get a lot of discussion on the Fantasy Board)

 

 

 


Jon_B wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

Now that discussion of the Lord of the Rings trilogy has been concluded for some time, we're going to be retiring this forum and merging Tolkien discussion into the Fantasy and SciFi forum.

 

What this means is that we will move the most active discussion threads into the Fantasy/SciFi forum, where they can continue. The remainder - all past discussions - will be archived.

 

I'm going to start moving the active threads over today. If, in a few days, there are threads that haven't been moved but that you think really ought be continued in the new home for these discussions, please let me know.

 

Thanks!

 

-------------------------------------------

Please move threads:

Eowyn (presently a very active thread)

Re: The Impact of The Hobbit and LOTR on Contemporary Fantasy (this thread might get a lot of discussion on the Fantasy Board)

 

 

 

 

 


 

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