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Re: Tolkien's Middle-earth: History of the Hobbit


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My daughter added 1 and 1/4 inches to my bookshelf by giving me the first volume of The History of the Hobbit: Mr Baggins by John D Rateliff for Christmas. I'll pick up the other volume as soon as I'm done with this one.
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Oh my! What a master work for anyone who who likes The Hobbit. They also have a complete set of the two volumes with the 70th anniversary edition of The Hobbit, which apparently has maps and pictures drawn by Tolkien that haven't been published before. Where do they keep finding this stuff! I didn't know that this year was the 70th anniversary of the publication of The Hobbit.


http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&bnit=H&bnrefer=FSF&EAN=9780618964406...

I can see this reading group is going to be a big budget buster!

I think we have plenty of material for a full month (and then some) on The Hobbit!




BarbaraN exclaimed "Where do they keep finding this stuff!"
Sorry, but I can't resist. *grin*

Here:
http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/Mss/JRRT/JRRT.html
Here:
http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/
I can't find an inventory, but most of the manuscripts of Silm and academic papers are here.

And I suppose the family has some stuff, too.

On a more serious note: the History of the Hobbit is not for the "casual" fan. Read The Annotated Hobbit -- annotated by Douglas A Anderson (on sale for $5.99) first.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=annotated+hobbit&z=y

If you are familiar with Unfinished Tales edited by C. Tolkien, the style is slightly similar, with text notes, etc.
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Re: Tolkien's Middle-earth: History of the Hobbit



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Since this set is such a huge investment, I thought I would browse around and find more about it. I picked up these two references from the Tolkien Library site:

http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/historyofthehobbit.htm

http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/historyofthehobbit2.htm
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This article kind of explains how they are still discovering Tolkein's manuscripts. Apparently he sold some of them so they were not in the possession of Christopher Tolkien.

http://www.tolkien-online.com/history-of-the-hobbit.html
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These two articles are well worth reading!

http://www.tolkien-online.com/mr-baggins.html
http://www.tolkien-online.com/return-to-bag-end.html




Apparently, I was writing my reply above as you were posting this, BarbaraN. Good stuff!
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Re: Tolkien's Middle-earth: History of the Hobbit

Read The Annotated Hobbit -- annotated by Douglas A Anderson (on sale for $5.99) first.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=annotated+hobbit&z=y

If you are familiar with Unfinished Tales edited by C. Tolkien, the style is slightly similar, with text notes, etc.
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Somehow I missed your post, Fan. The Annotated Hobbit on sale for $5.99! Grab it everyone! This is a beautiful $28.00 book! It has tons of information on Tolkien and the creation of the book plus lots of Tolkien's original drawings and watercolors. It looks like we are going to be getting to the Hobbit in February so this wonderful source of information should be on everyone's shelf.
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Re: Tolkien's Middle-earth: History of the Hobbit



BarbaraN wrote:
Read The Annotated Hobbit -- annotated by Douglas A Anderson (on sale for $5.99) first.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=annotated+hobbit&z=y

If you are familiar with Unfinished Tales edited by C. Tolkien, the style is slightly similar, with text notes, etc.
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Somehow I missed your post, Fan. The Annotated Hobbit on sale for $5.99! Grab it everyone! This is a beautiful $28.00 book! It has tons of information on Tolkien and the creation of the book plus lots of Tolkien's original drawings and watercolors. It looks like we are going to be getting to the Hobbit in February so this wonderful source of information should be on everyone's shelf.




I need to make sure no one has a misconception. My comment above: "If you are familiar with Unfinished Tales edited by C. Tolkien, the style is slightly similar, with text notes, etc." was meant about The History of the Hobbit by John D Rateliff, not The Annotated Hobbit edited by Douglas Anderson.
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Tolkien's Middle-earth in Art

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Tolkien created an entire world with his Middle-earth. He invented the languages, created the history, included details on the geography, mythology and even the cosmology of his world. In doing this he wrote stories, actually constructed his languages into real languages you can learn and speak, drew detailed and accurate maps of his world, and even did artwork depicting the scenes of his world.

Reading about Tolkien's Middle-earth is a total experience. I have been so inspired that I would like to try a few sidelines myself. I thought I might try a bit of art depicting scenes from his world and stories. I'm not much of an artist but that hasn't prevented a lot of his fans from letting that part of their imagination come through. Here are some sites that show Tolkien fan art. Maybe a few of you would also be inspired to try a bit on your own. I think it would enhance the submersion into the world of Tolkien's Middle-earth and make it come to life.

http://www.geocities.com/jrrtolkienfanart/gallery.html

http://www.tolkientrail.com/lothlorien/galleries.shtml

http://www.theonering.com/imagelist2-123/LordOftheRingsFanArt

http://www.fanart-central.net/cat-284.php

A listing of many fan art sites:
http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Literature/Genres/Fantasy/Authors/T/Tolkien,_J._R._R./Fan_Works...
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Re: Tolkien's Middle-earth: Maps


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I forgot to add that I couldn't walk out of the store with nothing so I purchased a copy of the Dummies guide to Middle-earth. This looks like my speed! It also adds another 3/4 of an inch to my shelf. I can't wait to get into all this stuff but it will all have to wait until after Christmas! Hope the rest of you have a Merry one!




I purchased the Dummies book as well. It is actually a very good book. He gets you through a lot of the back ground material, history, geography,etc. that would take a lot of reading to pick up on your own. This has given me just the right amount of background information to make my my present reading in the LOTR and the Hobbit more meaningful. He then gives his own take on some of the mythological ideas in the various stories and individual quests. I am reading that now and finding it quite interesting and is giving me a different perspective on the stories and characters. I gather this is his field of expertise.
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BarbaraN wrote:
I forgot to add that I couldn't walk out of the store with nothing so I purchased a copy of the Dummies guide to Middle-earth. This looks like my speed! It also adds another 3/4 of an inch to my shelf. I can't wait to get into all this stuff but it will all have to wait until after Christmas! Hope the rest of you have a Merry one!




I purchased the Dummies book as well. It is actually a very good book. He gets you through a lot of the back ground material, history, geography,etc. that would take a lot of reading to pick up on your own. This has given me just the right amount of background information to make my my present reading in the LOTR and the Hobbit more meaningful. He then gives his own take on some of the mythological ideas in the various stories and individual quests. I am reading that now and finding it quite interesting and is giving me a different perspective on the stories and characters. I gather this is his field of expertise.

 

I've been reading through some of these older posts and they are full of valuable information. I should look at my own old posts! This is from last January. I had forgotten about the Dummies book and it was very good. I never thought of it in connection with the Silm but I think I will dig it out again.

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Actually, I wanted to make a new post here. I was flipping through my Silm last night and noticed a sequence about the elves crossing between continents on an ice bridge. It reminded me of the crossing of the Bering Straights by the first inhabitants of the Americas.

 

This got me wondering. Could Middle-earth be the Americas? I have always assumed it to be Europe but as I think about it (and some of the discussions we were having in the Prancing Pony) it could just as easily be the Americas. Then the Sierra Nevadas or Rocky Mountains could be the Misty Mountains. The deserts of Mordor would make more sense as well (how about Death Valley surrounded by mountain ranges). The Blue Mountains could be the Coastal Range (fits perfectly). Rivendell could then be Yosemite Valley. And what about those great civilizations of the Americas -- was one of them Minas Tirith? LOTR was a time long ago.

 

Hey Ardo! That makes the area around your home town The Shire! And the elves depart for the Undying Lands from San Francisco Bay! The Gulf of Lhun even has a Golden Gate! 

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Ah! I'm not finished yet. Of course all those "dragons" from the north left their bones in Dinosaur National Monument

 

http://www.nps.gov/archive/dino/dinos.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur_National_Monument

And the Oliphant remains can be found in the south right in the middle of Los Angeles at la Brea Tar Pits.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits

 

Page down a ways down to a very nice life sized outdoor statue of an "Oliphant."

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Hello, Nadine!

 

Actually, in my other post where I was talking about "Catching a glimpse of Middle-earth in the East Bay"

[ back over at "The Prancing Pony" ] I was kinda vague about exactly where in [ M-e ] the vista of my local locale was to be reminiscent of [ I did say something about perhaps north on the western side of the Misty Mountains ]  because I was embarrassed to admit what it sometimes really puts me in mind of is the entire Northwest part of [ M-e ] altogether... [ although the scale is all way off, compared to the "real" M-e ]

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But this is still just me "applying" my own imaginings of [ M-e ] onto the familiar  surroundings around me...

I seem to recall, several months ago, being directed from these boards to a web-link site that had [ M-e ] superimposed on a map of Europe   [ you have to picture Northern/Western Europe with the English Channel & the North Sea filled in ] I would assume that this is closer to what JRRT himself had in mind, although the first time I ever heard about this possiblity [ it was sometime in High School, when a friend said  something like: "You know, if you take a map of Middle-earth and compare it to a map of Europe, it looks very similar." --- And I really wanted to stop up my ears, for as much as I knew that Tolkien had based  much of LOTR from the mythology of the past from  Northern Eutope, and some of that ancient culture from same, I still preferred   to think of [ M-e ] in terms of not belonging to the real world - not having been derived from the real world so much as existing on its own plane of reality ....

 

All that being said - I would like to add a bit more on this but right now I gotta run...

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Hello Again, One More Time ---

 

[ When I left off last time, I had just discovered a plumbing emergency in our kitchen - of a magnitude worthy to one of those "Roto-Rooter" TV commercials... fortunately, everything has been now taken care of ...Which reminds me, JRRT mentions the existence of "bathrooms" in Bag-End in the opening chapter of "The Hobbit" -when I first read that book ( as a child ) I must have pictured bathrooms ( and kitchens ) with piped-in running water ( like we have nowadays ) - although now that all sounds a little too "anachronistic" - I suppose Bilbo still had to have his well water brought in, unless there was some sort of

clay-tile plumbing system in place ( with water drawn up from Bywater Pool? ) - unless the Dwarves  later fashioned him an elegant all-metal pipe system? Actually, neither of those possibilities are very likely, of course...]

 

Anyway, I'm not sure where the great forest of Mirkwood fits into the "Americas"/Middle-earth Scenario" -

[ at least - as far as equating the Misty Mountains to either the Sierras or the Rockies -

where, on the East side, there is either mainly stretches of desert or grassy plains - until you get further up

North ]

although, before the Europeans arrived, there were vast areas of primeval forests ( almost like an enormous "network" ) spread over thousands of miles in North America...

 

I also have to confess, I've thought of the "Grey Havens/ Ered Luin /Gulf of Lhun/Golden Gate Connection" at times as well...

To me, ( looking at the Map of M-e ) those   mountains on the north side of the gulf remind me of those in  the Marin Peninsula, and those to the south side the gulf of those on the San Francisco & San Mateo County Peninsula ....The Gulf of Lhun is not the same shape as San Francisco Bay - although I think the SF Bay may have looked more loke that at one time in the distant past - and, if the pro "bayfill" proponents

and the developers  ( and many cities that line the Bay - even Berkeley, at one time ) had not been opposed, the Bay would look very much like that again - the deepest part of the Bay being just about the only section that would not have gotten all covered over ...

 

Ardo

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Just a quick postscript/apology: The letter designations on this keyboard have been wearing off - so I often  am getting my "i"s, "o"s, & "u"s mixed up ( also "r"s & "t"s ) - & I have to spend a lot of time backtracking & correcting - but the wrong letters are still slipping through sometimes - I must do  something to correct this situation - but not just now - gotta get some rest - Good Noght, All...ardo
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