What an interesting phrase Jackie, "prisoner of heaven", hardly two words you find together too often huh. I know some people think religion or even God himself is too restrictive to their life to follow rather than seeing it as the safeguard that makes your life more free than doing it on your own. It's like, living the law of chastity, at any age now. Some see this as too much to ask, especially of a single adult (or teenager), that its too restrictive and not reasonable. But if you think about it, living the law of chastity and teaching the youth that, frees all from the worry of unwanted pregnancies or the actualities of responsibilites for one. It also frees you from any guilt of trying to decide, should I get an abortion, did I do the right thing? It frees you from worries of STDs and dying from a moment of desires that could have been controlled. It frees you from breaking the heart of a spouse that you cheated on or one you lost because of it. IT frees you from so many worries and loses that can come from not controlling your desires and finding yourself possibly imprisoned for life with consequences for an act that could have just been saved for one person, you really love and have in your life as a spouse. So its a bit painful at times and people think you are out of step with everyone else or the times, check the abortion rates, divorce rates, std rates (1 in 4) and death rates for even 10 years ago and see what is the real prison and what is the real freedom. God doesnt want anyone unhappy, he gives us commanments (guidelines) to help us have the best in live, not to limit us but then he leaves the choice to us.
The phrase prisoner of heaven, makes me think of that, of those who feel religion is too strict, tho I do not know if you meant it that way. Anywhooo, aside from that, Jackie, tell us more about the Title and the epigraph please? Did you read this poem before the book and decide you wanted to use it in a book? Or doing this book, did that poem come to you and those two lines of it? What about that poem and those two lines moved you to use it for the title of this book. How did that all come about? Your reminding us here of her sister saying the big dipper looked like a cage of stars with a girl inside, made me wonder, was Ronnie the girl inside the stars of heaven and the broken cage at the end have clouded over, her innocence lost and poured out? Or is it her faith? I think Ronnies faith was definately tested and tho "The poor waters spill, the stars, water broken, forsaken-The heavens are not shaken... Its stars stand still", Ronnie did come to discover, yes God is there, still there,always and her faith tho tested in the end was not broken or forsaken, just tested and found to still be there and so was she. But I am really interesting in why this poem, and those lines for this book. Thanks
The phrase prisoner of heaven, makes me think of that, of those who feel religion is too strict, tho I do not know if you meant it that way. Anywhooo, aside from that, Jackie, tell us more about the Title and the epigraph please? Did you read this poem before the book and decide you wanted to use it in a book? Or doing this book, did that poem come to you and those two lines of it? What about that poem and those two lines moved you to use it for the title of this book. How did that all come about? Your reminding us here of her sister saying the big dipper looked like a cage of stars with a girl inside, made me wonder, was Ronnie the girl inside the stars of heaven and the broken cage at the end have clouded over, her innocence lost and poured out? Or is it her faith? I think Ronnies faith was definately tested and tho "The poor waters spill, the stars, water broken, forsaken-The heavens are not shaken... Its stars stand still", Ronnie did come to discover, yes God is there, still there,always and her faith tho tested in the end was not broken or forsaken, just tested and found to still be there and so was she. But I am really interesting in why this poem, and those lines for this book. Thanks
I dont really have any favorite authors (except in the sci fi genre and thats Isaac Asimov). I look more for subject matter. Like I said, I dont usually do novels, but this one interested me and maybe a couple of more now. But not romance novels, I like my romance in real life 
. I like biographies, history (as long as not dry as a texbook), period history books, like the Tudor period of England. I like crime stories, mostly real ones. Many types of science books. I read a lot of spiritual books written by General Authorities in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, but most of you would not know those authors. Well to give you an example of what i have read in here and when it wsa BNU, I have read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, The life and poems of Emily Dickison, Mozart-a life, Manhunt, the 12 day hunt for the killer of Lincoln, Forensic Crime, I did read the Memory Keeper's Daughter and hated the style in which it was written so almost gave up the book till it started to get better in the middle. This book and for next month, The Woods. Its a novel but a murder thriller one so I will try that. Maybe my spiritual books balance out my darker ones LOL. And biographies of all kinds of artists facinate me. Now if this was a movie club instead of a book club, oh yeah, i got favorites LOL!
. I like biographies, history (as long as not dry as a texbook), period history books, like the Tudor period of England. I like crime stories, mostly real ones. Many types of science books. I read a lot of spiritual books written by General Authorities in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, but most of you would not know those authors. Well to give you an example of what i have read in here and when it wsa BNU, I have read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, The life and poems of Emily Dickison, Mozart-a life, Manhunt, the 12 day hunt for the killer of Lincoln, Forensic Crime, I did read the Memory Keeper's Daughter and hated the style in which it was written so almost gave up the book till it started to get better in the middle. This book and for next month, The Woods. Its a novel but a murder thriller one so I will try that. Maybe my spiritual books balance out my darker ones LOL. And biographies of all kinds of artists facinate me. Now if this was a movie club instead of a book club, oh yeah, i got favorites LOL!
I read all types of books. When I can, I read. Depending on my mood I may read love stories (white woman captured by Indian, kidnaps her to her tepee, falls in love, etc.) LOL I was reading a few about Blackfoot Indians as I have an interest in Montana. I love history, I enjoyed John Jakes Bicentennial series (dating my self), mystery's, I like everything. I have really enjoyed hearing readers viewpoints and being able to converse with Jackie. And yes, I have added Jackie as one of my favorite authors! Thank you for participating and sharing your view points.
Thank you for participating and sharing your view points.
vivico1 wrote:
cindersue wrote:
Depending on my mood I may read love stories (white woman captured by Indian, kidnaps her to her tepee, falls in love, etc.)
LOL LOL! are you sure this was a book or a dream hehehe! I just reread this too before i posted it lol, and it was a gay indian at that! lol lol, kidnaps HER, to HER tepee???? OK i got the late night giggles now LOL.
Whoops ... Ha ha ha ha ... anything goes in books and dreams.
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cindersue wrote:
vivico1 wrote:
cindersue wrote:
Depending on my mood I may read love stories (white woman captured by Indian, kidnaps her to her tepee, falls in love, etc.)
LOL LOL! are you sure this was a book or a dream hehehe! I just reread this too before i posted it lol, and it was a gay indian at that! lol lol, kidnaps HER, to HER tepee???? OK i got the late night giggles now LOL.
Whoops ... Ha ha ha ha ... anything goes in books and dreams.
hehe, just a little teasing,glad you took no offense lol.
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cindersue wrote:
I read all types of books. When I can, I read. Depending on my mood I may read love stories (white woman captured by Indian, kidnaps her to her tepee, falls in love, etc.) LOL I was reading a few about Blackfoot Indians as I have an interest in Montana. I love history, I enjoyed John Jakes Bicentennial series (dating my self), mystery's, I like everything. I have really enjoyed hearing readers viewpoints and being able to converse with Jackie. And yes, I have added Jackie as one of my favorite authors!
Oh Yes, Cindersue: Tell Vivico not to laugh,you are not dreaming it! It is real! It was a fabulous read; "The White" by Deborah Larsen" and it was about a 16yrs old that had just gotoff a ship coming to the new world and was attacked by the Shawnee Indians. She witnessed her parents scalped and she was taken to live among the Indians and became a part of them. Great story!
kiakar wrote:
cindersue wrote:
I read all types of books. When I can, I read. Depending on my mood I may read love stories (white woman captured by Indian, kidnaps her to her tepee, falls in love, etc.) LOL I was reading a few about Blackfoot Indians as I have an interest in Montana. I love history, I enjoyed John Jakes Bicentennial series (dating my self), mystery's, I like everything. I have really enjoyed hearing readers viewpoints and being able to converse with Jackie. And yes, I have added Jackie as one of my favorite authors!
Oh Yes, Cindersue: Tell Vivico not to laugh,you are not dreaming it! It is real! It was a fabulous read; "The White" by Deborah Larsen" and it was about a 16yrs old that had just gotoff a ship coming to the new world and was attacked by the Shawnee Indians. She witnessed her parents scalped and she was taken to live among the Indians and became a part of them. Great story!
LOL Kiakar, it sounded like an old 50s movie that today would be considered racial stereotyping lol, except, I dont think in the 50s, the white girl would have been kidnapped and fallen in love with an indian woman! hehe, very modern book! I didnt see that part in Dances with Wolves
. (just funning you guys lol... but i still havent seen that one done LOL!)oh yeah, FYI,tbe Indians did not start the scalping thing, that was the white man. There were no cases of Indians scalping whites until after they were being herded up onto reservations and whites were scalping them.
Oh Yes, Cindersue: Tell Vivico not to laugh,you are not dreaming it! It is real! It was a fabulous read; "The White" by Deborah Larsen" and it was about a 16yrs old that had just gotoff a ship coming to the new world and was attacked by the Shawnee Indians. She witnessed her parents scalped and she was taken to live among the Indians and became a part of them. Great story!
Sounds like my kind of book
vivico1 wrote:
kiakar wrote:
cindersue wrote:
I read all types of books. When I can, I read. Depending on my mood I may read love stories (white woman captured by Indian, kidnaps her to her tepee, falls in love, etc.) LOL I was reading a few about Blackfoot Indians as I have an interest in Montana. I love history, I enjoyed John Jakes Bicentennial series (dating my self), mystery's, I like everything. I have really enjoyed hearing readers viewpoints and being able to converse with Jackie. And yes, I have added Jackie as one of my favorite authors!
Oh Yes, Cindersue: Tell Vivico not to laugh,you are not dreaming it! It is real! It was a fabulous read; "The White" by Deborah Larsen" and it was about a 16yrs old that had just gotoff a ship coming to the new world and was attacked by the Shawnee Indians. She witnessed her parents scalped and she was taken to live among the Indians and became a part of them. Great story!
LOL Kiakar, it sounded like an old 50s movie that today would be considered racial stereotyping lol, except, I dont think in the 50s, the white girl would have been kidnapped and fallen in love with an indian woman! hehe, very modern book! I didnt see that part in Dances with Wolves
oh yeah, FYI,tbe Indians did not start the scalping thing, that was the white man. There were no cases of Indians scalping whites until after they were being herded up onto reservations and whites were scalping them.
Hey Viv, I know you are funning us! I just had to tell you about the book. Oh! yeah! I forgot about Dancing with the Wolves! ha. And thanks for the info on the Indians scalping, copycating from the white men. I didn't know that either even though, in the back of my mind, it sounds familiar. (Those white fellows did alot of mischief and still do) ha.
