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Huck as an "orphan": Chapters 1-4
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03-01-2007 09:58 PM
Re: Huck as an "orphan": Chapters 1-4
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03-04-2007 10:07 PM
fanuzzir wrote:
For those of you who want to get a head start: these are devastating chapters that show the struggle of a lost boy to live among "sivilized" people. There's comedy, and caricatured characters, but there is also lyrical writing about loneliness that will have you thinking ahead to solitary moments on the river. I don't know where to start, there are so many of my favorite passages here.
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03-05-2007 09:55 PM
"Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot."
Shot? I am leaving.
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03-06-2007 07:41 PM
ziki wrote:
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"Persons attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot."
Shot? I am leaving.
ziki
I love that opening. So self-deprecating and defensive. Twain is clearly playing off the regional, down home Southern comic persona that had made him famous. He doesn't want you to know he has any serious intentions. Maybe he doesn't want himself to know.
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03-08-2007 01:44 PM
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03-08-2007 07:56 PM
Re: Huck as an "orphan": Chapters 1-4
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03-08-2007 11:52 PM
jd wrote:
I find Hucks approach more than refreshing but amazing given his circumstances. He does have a certain pluck for getting into to trouble and pulling himself out, but I feel the driving force to his antics are his father and his wish to get away from him. Most of the father figures in the story are temporary and flawed. He is truly an orphan and must fend for himself with guidelines good and bad, from the various people he encounters during his adventures.
I think one of the striking things that you see in the early chapters is Huck's absolute immunity to matters of morality as taught by middle class families and the Christian religioun. It is easier for us today to call someone like this a "freethinker" but for Twain's contemporaries, the idea of someone walking around untutored by these entities was literally a non-entity, off the cultural map. That's why you see Twain using dialect so freely in these early chapters as well--his hero does not sound like an American literary character but speaks in his own made up language.
I hope everyone will look closely at Huck's first encounter with Jim: such a character has casual racism born and bred in the bones. We are not talking here about someone who is just a "free spirit."
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03-09-2007 06:40 AM
Huck's movement toward fully embracing Jim as a human being is so central to the book.
And here's a question.
Do you folks see that movement as a maturation and change of heart, or as a peeling away of society's veneer to reveal the truth that's been in his bones all along?
Does it matter?
Did it matter to Twain?
-- J
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I hope everyone will look closely at Huck's first encounter with Jim: such a character has casual racism born and bred in the bones. We are not talking here about someone who is just a "free spirit."
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03-09-2007 10:49 AM
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03-09-2007 11:38 PM
jd wrote:
I think Huck can certainly identify hatred because of his pap and as he matures he is able to make a choice to behave in a less hateful way. He also does not have the constraints of society to live with, so his friend can be a black -jd
JD, that's a very canny reply: that Huck's ostracism from the genteel life of Southern society frees him to be both viciously racist and disloyal to his white caste.
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03-11-2007 08:12 PM
I'm re-reading this for the first time since I was a kid, so my perspective may change as I go along. But I always saw Huck as a misfit because he was, in many ways, more self-possessed than someone like, say, the Widow Douglas who bought into social convention and appearances.
When Huck eventually sheds the pressure to conform to these conventions, I'd say he both grows up AND becomes more who he truly is. Tentatively, I'd say those two things can't be sharply separated and that this is really the essence of the American narrative about being able to take a journey and reinvent oneself.
While I'd characterize Twain as a skeptic about much of American society, he seems very optimistic about this essential American narrative of journey and reinvention.
jonclinch wrote:
Oh, absolutely.
Huck's movement toward fully embracing Jim as a human being is so central to the book.
And here's a question.
Do you folks see that movement as a maturation and change of heart, or as a peeling away of society's veneer to reveal the truth that's been in his bones all along?
Does it matter?
Did it matter to Twain?
-- J
fanuzzir wrote:
I hope everyone will look closely at Huck's first encounter with Jim: such a character has casual racism born and bred in the bones. We are not talking here about someone who is just a "free spirit."
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03-12-2007 12:08 AM
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03-12-2007 11:36 AM
fanuzzir wrote:
jd wrote:
I think Huck can certainly identify hatred because of his pap and as he matures he is able to make a choice to behave in a less hateful way. He also does not have the constraints of society to live with, so his friend can be a black -jd
JD, that's a very canny reply: that Huck's ostracism from the genteel life of Southern society frees him to be both viciously racist and disloyal to his white caste.
I have one slight geographic quibble. These posts suggest that the novel is set in the South---but it's not. Most of the action takes place on the Mississippi, between Missouri and Illinois, far from the old South.
If I remember my American history correctly, Missouri was admitted to the Union as a slave state by virtue of the Missouri Compromise (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise). Illinois, on the other hand, was a free state. The fact that Twain sets the novel on the margin of these two societies is significant. For example, one could equally see freedom--and slavery--from the raft floating between the two states.
It's also significant that Twain set the novel in what was, at the time, the American frontier. Had it been set in the old South--say, Missippi or Alabama--this would have been a very different book. The frontier presented many symbolic and literary possibilies to Twain. Obvious among these are the possibilities of new beginnings, and the effects of civilization's "taming" nature and the native human inhabitants.
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03-12-2007 02:45 PM
friery wrote:
These posts suggest that the novel is set in the South---but it's not. Most of the action takes place on the Mississippi, between Missouri and Illinois, far from the old South.
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03-12-2007 09:52 PM
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03-13-2007 07:37 AM
fanuzzir wrote:
I hope everyone realizes the great irony that Twain is creating through geography: Missouri, a slave state, lies next to Illinois, a free state, so to reach the port of Cairo, where Jim and Huck are headed,on the tip of Illinois, they actually have to travel deeper into slave territory. Many versions of Huck come with a map to make this clear: does yours' have one?
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03-13-2007 08:13 PM
"Huck's movement toward fully embracing Jim as a human being is so central to the book.
And here's a question.
Do you folks see that movement as a maturation and change of heart, or as a peeling away of society's veneer to reveal the truth that's been in his bones all along?
Does it matter?
Did it matter to Twain?
(Let me preface this with saying that I have read through Chapter 22, so this is written within that context.)
I believe that Huck's discovery that Jim is more than a n****r is a self-discovery, because it was there all along. Huck is too much of a pragmatist to ultimately accept something that somebody else say's is right if he know's it is wrong. Sure, he's a boy on the edge of manhood and he might make some missteps along the way, but I truly think his heart is good and every layer of "veneer" he is strong enough to peel away brings him closer to himself. As he begins by "running away" from the things he knows he doesn't want, he begins a journey toward what he really "is" inside.
I think it mattered to Twain. I think he wanted to identify that certain types of thinking and behavior were not inherent to human nature: that they were a learned and kept in place by a close-minded society.
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03-14-2007 09:27 AM
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/LitNote/id-20,
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03-14-2007 09:48 AM
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03-14-2007 10:54 PM
ELee wrote:
jonclinch wrote:
"Huck's movement toward fully embracing Jim as a human being is so central to the book.
And here's a question.
Do you folks see that movement as a maturation and change of heart, or as a peeling away of society's veneer to reveal the truth that's been in his bones all along?
Does it matter?
Did it matter to Twain?
(Let me preface this with saying that I have read through Chapter 22, so this is written within that context.)
I believe that Huck's discovery that Jim is more than a n****r is a self-discovery, because it was there all along. Huck is too much of a pragmatist to ultimately accept something that somebody else say's is right if he know's it is wrong. Sure, he's a boy on the edge of manhood and he might make some missteps along the way, but I truly think his heart is good and every layer of "veneer" he is strong enough to peel away brings him closer to himself. As he begins by "running away" from the things he knows he doesn't want, he begins a journey toward what he really "is" inside.
I think it mattered to Twain. I think he wanted to identify that certain types of thinking and behavior were not inherent to human nature: that they were a learned and kept in place by a close-minded society.
ELee, thank you for a very thoughtful post. I always buck at the notion that a Southern upbringing in a slaveholding society is a veneer that can or should be peeled away. It just shows that we desperately want everyone to be some version of a Northern liberal, and comfort us with the notion that American people without the pressure of social conventions were all anti-slavery and anti-racist at heart. I think that Twain wants to take away that comfort by showing us Huck at his most agonized, such as in Chapter 16, regretting his choice to run away with Jim. His racial attitudes are more than skin deep, I'm afraid.
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