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You might love your job, house, and family, but the sound of your own voice might still sometimes bore you. That is: Life is good when we have a routine that works, but sticking to the routine has its own drawbacks: From time to time, I can feel deadeningly, or too much, like “myself.”

I do like my fixed routines--like the daily trip to the gym--but sometimes, on the Stairmaster, I’m frustrated that another possible “me” isn’t living the life it could.

We are always allowing ourselves little escapes from the work-day “me.” Escapes come from the mild to the extreme: A midday cell-phone conversation is a mild form of self-escape; a book (as many of you said really well last week) is a dependable, rich escape; so is a trip to a foreign country.

Virginia Woolf is my favorite dreamer and novelist—a woman who lived and wrote, and helped invent what we call “stream of consciousness,” from 1882 to 1941. Woolf was someone who lived so thoroughly in her head that she also spent a lot of her time dreaming up ways to escape or expand it.

She wrote many strategies for self-escape in her famously delicious diary—in turn, her diary entries amount to a sort of tool-book for reworking outworn or deadening routines. Below are some entries I love, and some discussion. I’m wondering if you connect with any of these—or can add your own insights about the relationships between old routines and a satisfying life.

Diary Entry #1: On Sat March 8, 1941, Woolf was about to try a writing exercise in her usual writing voice, but she suddenly felt like she was being way too much the usual “Virginia”—and she punched herself, to get out of the familiar head: “No: I intend no introspection,” she wrote. She didn’t want to live in her all-too-familiar head; instead, “I mark Henry James’s sentence: Observe perpetually. Observe the oncoming of age. Observe greed. Observe my own despondency…. Suppose I bought a ticket at the Museum; biked in daily and read history. Suppose I selected one dominant figure in every age and wrote round and about. Occupation is essential. And now with some patience I find that it’s seven; and must cook dinner. Haddock and sausage meat. I think it is true that one gains a certain hold on sausage and haddock by writing them down…. Now to cook the haddock.”

I like this headspace. When Woolf writes “observe perpetually,” she’s talking about looking at the world with an open, rather than the habit-bound, mind. Just look, she screams at herself. She knows that too often, she takes comfort in her normal themes—in the political issues or topics or writing voice that are her own. Look, she says, “observe perpetually,” and try to shut down the familiar “Virginia.”

Her sister was a painter, so it’s neat to note that this advice is also what painters reportedly do when they want to paint realistically rather than in the stick-figures we learn in school. They try to see without seeing the object. If you want to portray a great chair, don’t paint a “chair” as you normally think of the word or object “chair”; instead, see color in abstract form: See light, dark, color, whatever, without the words you always use. “Observe,” as Woolf says, with fresh eyes. Lose habit; lose “I.”

Or: Is that impossible? You tell me.

Diary Entry #2: Wed September 8, 1920: “Oh vanity, vanity! how it grows on me – how I swear to crush it out – Learn French is the only think I can think of.”

Maybe, Woolf says, you should take a class at the local college. Virginia would do this—pick up a new language, like Russian, just to give herself a new track to think on. The English Romantic poet Lord Byron actually did the same: Midway through his too-short life, he started to learn Albanian, just to give his brain something new and “craggy,” as he said, to attach to. Do you pick up hobbies to rewire your ordinary self?

Last bit of Diary: Monday, October 25, 1920: “Melancholy diminishes as I write. Why then don’t I write it down oftener? Well, one’s vanity forbids. I want to appear a success even to myself. …I think too much of the whys and wherefores; too much of myself. I don’t like time to flap around me. Well then, work.”

Woolf called work the best solution to our negative headspaces. Freud said the same thing, at about the same time in history: A happy life, he said, is a life in which you feel free to 1. love and 2. work until you parade your highest capacities. Passion and confidence are keys to good living, he said.

Woolf thought work was a good opportunity for imagination. In work, we don’t think of “me” so much as we just look at the subject at hand, so we can enter an almost Zen-like state—where we’re working, but not overly conscious of the habits and ruts that make the “you,” on most days, so indelibly “you.”

What activity ever cures the doldrums for you?

Do you need to “cure” your habits, or do you love them more consistently than this?

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I love the part about the haddock! This all seems strangely relevant to a snippet I just pulled out at the British Lit board when someone asked what Swift was saying in the first part of Gulliver's Travels:

O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
And ev’n Devotion!

Robert Burns. To a Louse (l. 43–48)
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Diary Entry #2: Wed September 8, 1920: “Oh vanity, vanity! how it grows on me – how I swear to crush it out – Learn French is the only think I can think of.”

That's what I did! And then I started Russian. It made me really understand how little I know and understand, especially when I try to listen to the French Canadian radio stations. I have a new respect now for the people around me who do not yet know English very well.
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wow. Laurel! Would you give us your own modern translation of that quote too?
From what I get, it's amazing--it says that if I could only get out of this head I'm in and see myself as others see me, I'd see someone different. Then I'd know not to be such a fool--I'd try to walk and talk differently; I wouldn't be so madly in love with myself...
I love this quote.



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I love the part about the haddock! This all seems strangely relevant to a snippet I just pulled out at the British Lit board when someone asked what Swift was saying in the first part of Gulliver's Travels:

O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
And ev’n Devotion!

Robert Burns. To a Louse (l. 43–48)





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That's it exactly, Ilana. I was just going to try to give Bobby Burns in Laurel's English when I found that someone has already done it. First, listen to the stanza in Scots here:

http://www.robertburns.plus.com/voicelouse.htm

Here's the translation:

Oh, that God would give us the very smallest of gifts
To be able to see ourselves as others see us
It would save us from many mistakes
and foolish thoughts
We would change the way we look and gesture
and to how and what we apply our time and attention.

And here's the entire poem. (It's quite hilarious. A man is sitting behind a gorgeously attired woman--in church, I suppose--and sees that a louse has taken up residence on her gorgeous bonnet. If she knew that, how differently would she be sitting!):

http://www.electricscotland.com/burns/louse.html

There's an excellent analysis of the poem here (the source of my translation):

http://www.robertburns.plus.com/louse.htm





IlanaSimons wrote:
wow. Laurel! Would you give us your own modern translation of that quote too?
From what I get, it's amazing--it says that if I could only get out of this head I'm in and see myself as others see me, I'd see someone different. Then I'd know not to be such a fool--I'd try to walk and talk differently; I wouldn't be so madly in love with myself...
I love this quote.



Laurel wrote:
I love the part about the haddock! This all seems strangely relevant to a snippet I just pulled out at the British Lit board when someone asked what Swift was saying in the first part of Gulliver's Travels:

O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
And ev’n Devotion!

Robert Burns. To a Louse (l. 43–48)





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Diary Entry #1: On Sat March 8, 1941, Woolf was about to try a writing exercise in her usual writing voice, but she suddenly felt like she was being way too much the usual “Virginia”—and she punched herself, to get out of the familiar head: “No: I intend no introspection,” she wrote. She didn’t want to live in her all-too-familiar head; instead, “I mark Henry James’s sentence: Observe perpetually. Observe the oncoming of age. Observe greed. Observe my own despondency…. Suppose I bought a ticket at the Museum; biked in daily and read history. Suppose I selected one dominant figure in every age and wrote round and about. Occupation is essential. And now with some patience I find that it’s seven; and must cook dinner.

Diary Entry #2: Wed September 8, 1920: “Oh vanity, vanity! how it grows on me – how I swear to crush it out – Learn French is the only think I can think of.”

Maybe, Woolf says, you should take a class at the local college. Virginia would do this—pick up a new language, like Russian, just to give herself a new track to think on. The English Romantic poet Lord Byron actually did the same: Midway through his too-short life, he started to learn Albanian, just to give his brain something new and “craggy,” as he said, to attach to. Do you pick up hobbies to rewire your ordinary self?

What activity ever cures the doldrums for you?

Do you need to “cure” your habits, or do you love them more consistently than this?

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Unfortunately, I do this too much. I decide too often to do or learn something new to relieve the sameness of wife, mother and work. Unfortunately my brain craves too many things - hence the unlearned guitar (and clarinet) in the guestroom, the unused easel and oil paints in the sunroom, the unlistened to Spanish CD's in the living room, the unread history books on the bookshelves, etc. etc.etc. Each time I have to have an item that I am craving to learn and master and each time life continues on and no time is carved out for these desires. Does anyone know how to squeeze 48 hours into a day? :smileyhappy:
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IlanaSimons wrote:
wow. Laurel! Would you give us your own modern translation of that quote too?
From what I get, it's amazing--it says that if I could only get out of this head I'm in and see myself as others see me, I'd see someone different. Then I'd know not to be such a fool--I'd try to walk and talk differently; I wouldn't be so madly in love with myself...
I love this quote.



Laurel wrote:
I love the part about the haddock! This all seems strangely relevant to a snippet I just pulled out at the British Lit board when someone asked what Swift was saying in the first part of Gulliver's Travels:

O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
And foolish notion:
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
And ev’n Devotion!

Robert Burns. To a Louse (l. 43–48)








I love this. I was just thinking the other day, how if I could just see myself from an outside perspective, I would spend more time at the gym, watch what I eat more carefully and spend more time on skincare and makeup. Unfortunately, inside my head, I am still young, skinny and beautiful. Maybe we all need to spend more time watching video of ourselves.
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You make a really good point. I guess some people tend to obsess with one routine (like Virginia with her daily writing), and some don't get as invested in just one activity. So my post this week is probably more relevant to some than others. I'm really interested in this--and would like to hear more from you about it, Wildflower--or what others think.



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Unfortunately, I do this too much. I decide too often to do or learn something new to relieve the sameness of wife, mother and work. Unfortunately my brain craves too many things - hence the unlearned guitar (and clarinet) in the guestroom, the unused easel and oil paints in the sunroom, the unlistened to Spanish CD's in the living room, the unread history books on the bookshelves, etc. etc.etc. Each time I have to have an item that I am craving to learn and master and each time life continues on and no time is carved out for these desires. Does anyone know how to squeeze 48 hours into a day? :smileyhappy:





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If I could just see myself from an outside perspective, I would spend more time at the gym, watch what I eat more carefully and spend more time on skincare and makeup. Unfortunately, inside my head, I am still young, skinny and beautiful. Maybe we all need to spend more time watching video of ourselves.




I think you've given us evidence for the opposite! Why would you want to have more anxiety about makeup and hair? If you're comfortable with these things already, I think you're in a great spot.



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Wildflower wrote:
If I could just see myself from an outside perspective, I would spend more time at the gym, watch what I eat more carefully and spend more time on skincare and makeup. Unfortunately, inside my head, I am still young, skinny and beautiful. Maybe we all need to spend more time watching video of ourselves.




I think you've given us evidence for the opposite! Why would you want to have more anxiety about makeup and hair? If you're comfortable with these things already, I think you're in a great spot.




I guess because I don't think that my perception matches my reality.
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Wildflower, hold on to all those unused things! Once the kids have grown up (they will!) and you retire (while still retaining the husband) you will pick up some or all of them again with a new gusto.



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You make a really good point. I guess some people tend to obsess with one routine (like Virginia with her daily writing), and some don't get as invested in just one activity. So my post this week is probably more relevant to some than others. I'm really interested in this--and would like to hear more from you about it, Wildflower--or what others think.



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Unfortunately, I do this too much. I decide too often to do or learn something new to relieve the sameness of wife, mother and work. Unfortunately my brain craves too many things - hence the unlearned guitar (and clarinet) in the guestroom, the unused easel and oil paints in the sunroom, the unlistened to Spanish CD's in the living room, the unread history books on the bookshelves, etc. etc.etc. Each time I have to have an item that I am craving to learn and master and each time life continues on and no time is carved out for these desires. Does anyone know how to squeeze 48 hours into a day? :smileyhappy:





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Wildflower wrote:
If I could just see myself from an outside perspective, I would spend more time at the gym, watch what I eat more carefully and spend more time on skincare and makeup. Unfortunately, inside my head, I am still young, skinny and beautiful. Maybe we all need to spend more time watching video of ourselves.




I think you've given us evidence for the opposite! Why would you want to have more anxiety about makeup and hair? If you're comfortable with these things already, I think you're in a great spot.




And the encouraging thing is, others don't look as closely at us as we do of ourselves in the mirror.
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"I like this headspace. When Woolf writes “observe perpetually,” she’s talking about looking at the world with an open, rather than the habit-bound, mind. Just look, she screams at herself. She knows that too often, she takes comfort in her normal themes—in the political issues or topics or writing voice that are her own. Look, she says, “observe perpetually,” and try to shut down the familiar “Virginia.”
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This is an incredible insight in which I had to learn as an artist. Yes, 'had to learn'! It wasn't something that just came naturally to me, and I don't think it comes naturally to most people.

A few years ago, I was fortunate to be able to teach art to elementary school age children. K-6. What a struggle these poor kids had when I tried to get this concept of "seeing", across to them. One of the things I did, was, I took them outside, and had them lay down on the playground...getting down to their level of understanding. I had them look up into the clouds. I wanted them to imagine, to see what they could see in those clouds. This was not the difficult part, it was when I had them stand next to a tree, and place their hands on the bark. I told them to close their eyes and tell me what they felt. I had them trace the bark with pencil and paper. To see what they felt. All of these things to stretch their imagination, before they could see to put it down on paper. I wanted them to interpret it with their mind first.

When taking a class in Drawing on The Right Side of The Brain, one of the projects is to look at a picture, upside down, and draw it. Our brain still wants to translate it right side up. To actually draw it upside down was a challenge for most of these students. I had my kids do this, and all they could tell me was, they couldn't see to do it....another challenge to overcome what you think you see, and what you actually see.

It's a wonderful experience, once you've broken through that barrier, and learn to see things outside of what "normal" people see. And as a teacher, it was the most rewarding feeling, when you see the light go on inside of their heads! :smileyhappy:

If children can learn this concerpt at a early age, just think what they will see as they grow up! When people tell me they can't draw a straight line, I just tell them neither can I, that's what we have rulers for.

I live in my head half of the time, and yes it does get boring unless that space gets fed...giving these thoughts and ideas a perspective, then trying to see and translate what it is I'm supposed to see inside this space, is definately a continual challenge. But writing, besides my art and music, is the only way I can put it into a visual concept I can fully understand.

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Laurel,
Thank you for that poem! Not just for the insight, but Robert Burns was my dad's favorite poet. My grandfather was from Scotland, and it just reminded me of them. :smileyhappy:

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Kathy,
That's a great post--I think you're a teacher who must change lives. Your students probably remember those days in the grass until they're adults. If they don't "get it" when they're with you, I bet they get it ten years down the line.

One thing I like about your post is that we normally tend to idealize kids--thinking they see with truly open minds, "say the most amazing things," etc.. You're telling us not to idealize: In many ways, kids are even more stuck in the circle of cliches than adults are. They see "bark," not the strange bark their fingers are experiencing.




KathyS wrote:This is an incredible insight in which I had to learn as an artist. Yes, 'had to learn'! It wasn't something that just came naturally to me, and I don't think it comes naturally to most people.

A few years ago, I was fortunate to be able to teach art to elementary school age children. K-6. What a struggle these poor kids had when I tried to get this concept of "seeing", across to them. One of the things I did, was, I took them outside, and had them lay down on the playground...getting down to their level of understanding. I had them look up into the clouds. I wanted them to imagine, to see what they could see in those clouds. This was not the difficult part, it was when I had them stand next to a tree, and place their hands on the bark. I told them to close their eyes and tell me what they felt. I had them trace the bark with pencil and paper. To see what they felt. All of these things to stretch their imagination, before they could see to put it down on paper. I wanted them to interpret it with their mind first.

When taking a class in Drawing on The Right Side of The Brain, one of the projects is to look at a picture, upside down, and draw it. Our brain still wants to translate it right side up. To actually draw it upside down was a challenge for most of these students. I had my kids do this, and all they could tell me was, they couldn't see to do it....another challenge to overcome what you think you see, and what you actually see.

It's a wonderful experience, once you've broken through that barrier, and learn to see things outside of what "normal" people see. And as a teacher, it was the most rewarding feeling, when you see the light go on inside of their heads! :smileyhappy:

If children can learn this concerpt at a early age, just think what they will see as they grow up! When people tell me they can't draw a straight line, I just tell them neither can I, that's what we have rulers for.

I live in my head half of the time, and yes it does get boring unless that space gets fed...giving these thoughts and ideas a perspective, then trying to see and translate what it is I'm supposed to see inside this space, is definately a continual challenge. But writing, besides my art and music, is the only way I can put it into a visual concept I can fully understand.

Kathy S.

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When I was little, my father used to read that poem to us, and also the one about the wee mouse.



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Laurel,
Thank you for that poem! Not just for the insight, but Robert Burns was my dad's favorite poet. My grandfather was from Scotland, and it just reminded me of them. :smileyhappy:

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That was a great story.


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Kathy,
You're a teacher who must change lives, I think. Your students probably remember those days in the grass until they're adults. If they don't "get it" when they're with you, I bet they get it ten years down the line.
You've given us a great post.

One thing I like about your post is that we normally tend to idealize kids--thinking they see with truly open minds, "say the most amazing things," etc.. You're telling us not to idealize: In many ways, kids are even more stuck in the circle of cliches than adults are. They see "bark," not the strange bark their fingers are experiencing...




KathyS wrote:This is an incredible insight in which I had to learn as an artist. Yes, 'had to learn'! It wasn't something that just came naturally to me, and I don't think it comes naturally to most people.

A few years ago, I was fortunate to be able to teach art to elementary school age children. K-6. What a struggle these poor kids had when I tried to get this concept of "seeing", across to them. One of the things I did, was, I took them outside, and had them lay down on the playground...getting down to their level of understanding. I had them look up into the clouds. I wanted them to imagine, to see what they could see in those clouds. This was not the difficult part, it was when I had them stand next to a tree, and place their hands on the bark. I told them to close their eyes and tell me what they felt. I had them trace the bark with pencil and paper. To see what they felt. All of these things to stretch their imagination, before they could see to put it down on paper. I wanted them to interpret it with their mind first.

When taking a class in Drawing on The Right Side of The Brain, one of the projects is to look at a picture, upside down, and draw it. Our brain still wants to translate it right side up. To actually draw it upside down was a challenge for most of these students. I had my kids do this, and all they could tell me was, they couldn't see to do it....another challenge to overcome what you think you see, and what you actually see.

It's a wonderful experience, once you've broken through that barrier, and learn to see things outside of what "normal" people see. And as a teacher, it was the most rewarding feeling, when you see the light go on inside of their heads! :smileyhappy:

If children can learn this concerpt at a early age, just think what they will see as they grow up! When people tell me they can't draw a straight line, I just tell them neither can I, that's what we have rulers for.

I live in my head half of the time, and yes it does get boring unless that space gets fed...giving these thoughts and ideas a perspective, then trying to see and translate what it is I'm supposed to see inside this space, is definately a continual challenge. But writing, besides my art and music, is the only way I can put it into a visual concept I can fully understand.

Kathy S.




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I can only hope that these kids did remember a particle of what they heard me say to them. Yes, kids come into the world of learning with ideas and concepts which are taught to them, before they enter school. They learn from their parents, caregivers, syblings and peers. Breaking that thread of learning, taking them outside of their comfort zone, is not easy. And you have to keep it fun, at all cost! But the wonderful thing is, their minds are like sponges! I, myself, had to learn what their attention span could tollerate, which was difficult because of that wide age range. I attened a considerable amount of workshops to learn this!

This summer I'm helping my six year old granddaughter write and illustrate her own little stories. She has a wonderful imagination, and loves to use it. I'll have her with me during the day, four days a week, so I'm putting her mind to good use while I have the chance. (she's also learning to read and type!) Then when school starts in the fall, my three year old grandson will be next! ;-)

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Amazing. Wouldn't it be neat to publish your daughter here. A possibility: Upload her book, and let us read it.



KathyS wrote:
I can only hope that these kids did remember a particle of what they heard me say to them. Yes, kids come into the world of learning with ideas and concepts which are taught to them, before they enter school. They learn from their parents, caregivers, syblings and peers. Breaking that thread of learning, taking them outside of their comfort zone, is not easy. And you have to keep it fun, at all cost! But the wonderful thing is, their minds are like sponges! I, myself, had to learn what their attention span could tollerate, which was difficult because of that wide age range. I attened a considerable amount of workshops to learn this!

This summer I'm helping my six year old granddaughter write and illustrate her own little stories. She has a wonderful imagination, and loves to use it. I'll have her with me during the day, four days a week, so I'm putting her mind to good use while I have the chance. (she's also learning to read and type!) Then when school starts in the fall, my three year old grandson will be next! ;-)

Kathy S.

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It is not just children or I should say the so-called normal children that need that kind of out of comfort zone. I know that it is espcially need with Disabled Children both you and Adult children. So many people just let them fall through the cracks. I know that with my son and other Disabled Adults that I work with if it is not fun as well as a challenge to them it is hard to get them to move out of the zone we have put them in. It is so exciting to me when I see one of them accomplish something new. I think that we forget or ignore that they have the same wants and feelings that we do just not the same capability to express them.

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