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Re: Week 80: William Faulkner and the Loneliness in Language


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ouch!  for real?  i always consider tea so benign.  boring, even.

 

 

...and now I'm editing this note.  As you might be able to tell, I was away from my computer all day.  all these tea-burning stories came in!   i'll have to radically reconsider my relationship to tea.

 


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...What hit a chord with me was your state of mind when the accident happened.  I spilled a cup of tea on my leg.  That sounds like a minor accident but it resulted in deep 2nd degree burns, infection and 5 days in the hospital on intravenous antibiotics.  Then there was the month in bed.  Freud said there are no accidents and although he's out of fashion, I can't help wondering.   You were feeling guilty at the time of the accident and so was I. 


 

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No tea in our house for several years.  It's back now but it always makes me verrry nervous!

 

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I just want to make sure that I'm not being misunderstood.  I never meant that the burns were some kind of "justice" for the guilt we felt.  I thought that what Sun was saying was that she was guilty about something and so might have been careless with herself, unconsciously.  I think that's what my son meant and I'm still not l00% certain that wasn't the truth.  Maybe 95%!
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And I didn't understand you that way, Timbuktu. My only point was how slippery such viewpoints can be.  Perhaps I am extra sensitive on the subject today because a) we have been discussing the power of words, and b) my family is grieving the loss of a loved one whose age and health make it so easy to say, "it's better this way."  That may be true, but I'm still not certain silent presence wouldn't be kinder than those words.

 

Also, c) we have been discussing Tess on the Classics board.

 


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I just want to make sure that I'm not being misunderstood.  I never meant that the burns were some kind of "justice" for the guilt we felt.  I thought that what Sun was saying was that she was guilty about something and so might have been careless with herself, unconsciously.  I think that's what my son meant and I'm still not l00% certain that wasn't the truth.  Maybe 95%!
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My condolences Pepper.  The wrong word can be very painful at such times.  

 

 

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Thank you, Timbuktu.  Times of grief can indeed remind us of the loneliness of and in language that is Ilana's topic here this week.

 

But, words that care, even if they are "wrong" or awkward, do offer healing, and one sometimes does need to remember to suspend judgment -- even if just talking and listening to oneself!

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And I didn't understand you that way, Timbuktu. My only point was how slippery such viewpoints can be.  Perhaps I am extra sensitive on the subject today because a) we have been discussing the power of words, and b) my family is grieving the loss of a loved one whose age and health make it so easy to say, "it's better this way."  That may be true, but I'm still not certain silent presence wouldn't be kinder than those words.

 


I know how much I despise trite phrases " it's better this way", "at least she didn't suffer", " cheer up, everything will be fine" (I really hate that one"). People mean well but sometimes they don't understand that there are no words to help, but it seems to be human nature to repeat these phrases, I even find myself doing it. What compells us even when we know better. Some people seem to fear silence, but sometimes silence can be more helpful than words.

 

Not that I don't love words because I do. That's why I love books so much. I often can't find the right words to express what I am feeling, but I can usually find the right book.

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 That's what I meant, Timbuktu. I was distracted by my thoughts about my friend's death and my guilty conscience over not visiting her just before the holidays, otherwise I would have zipped up the jacket or at least paid attention to the placement of the water kettle.


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I just want to make sure that I'm not being misunderstood.  I never meant that the burns were some kind of "justice" for the guilt we felt.  I thought that what Sun was saying was that she was guilty about something and so might have been careless with herself, unconsciously.  I think that's what my son meant and I'm still not l00% certain that wasn't the truth.  Maybe 95%!

 

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There is something more, that I want to say to this.  I wrote out a long post, yesterday, and deleted it, because it didn't say what I wanted, or felt, it should say.  There is always more.  The song, "More", keeps running through my head, from the day I read this topic.  One line of that songs says, "More, than the simple words I try to say...."  it goes on to speak of love.  That says something to me about writers.

 

This week I was told I was like the child, posting on this board, who was always trying to find ways, or seeking, the love of a parent, and I can't get that love no matter how hard I try.  It becomes:  No matter what I write, say, or do, you can't find what you are looking for, which ultimately becomes that illusive love.  So you keep writing until you get it right.

 

I wonder about writers.  We talk about their novels, or books, as being their "babies".  I wonder.  I wonder if those babies are us.  Something hit me in reading, again, that biography.  Lee talks about the dialogue of VW, between her and her sister Vanessa.  It all got so messed up in my head.  Who was the mother?  Who was the child?  Then Vanessa gets married, and is going to have a baby.  This is all displaced in Virginia's mind.  I wondered about this.  How do we perceive ourselves in our relationships with other people.  As writers, as we all are, on this board.  Who do we try to please?  It is ourselves, or is it someone else.  Who are these words for?  Who are we trying to bridge that gap to?

 

I believe, actually I know, as child I spent most of that childhood trying to 'talk' to the people that I couldn't get to listen to me.  My grandmother who couldn't listen to anything/anyone that wasn't the voices in her head.  My mother who wouldn't listen, except to say, love me.  My father who didn't know how to say what he felt, except to my mother,  and I didn't know how to communicate with any of them.  No matter what I would say,  or do, it was always wrong; my words always came out wrong, and never enough. I tried, and tried and tried, until I fell silent. 

 

During my depressions I wouldn't eat.  We talked about control a week ago, I never thought about this until now. I would go away, into my head, the loneliest place I could find.  To be isolated.  And in the process, you become insulated.  You do shut out more than people.  You shut out yourself.  You shut out everything that comes in contact with you, including food. I do have control over myself, but now it's just in a different form.  Less distructive.  But I've wondered why the loneliness is still in my words.  I see them.  I've felt them. 

 

I do everything just to get those words to say something to someone, and it seems that it's all because of wanting that love that I tried to get back from these people in my life.  I did feel that love this week, from everyone here.  I do know what it feels like, now, to have my words seen as simply me.  To be accepted as someone who just wants my words to be accepted.  But I'm not giving up on me.  I'll never do that.  I've always felt there is more to say, more to give, more to accept, whether in myself, or in others.  And it's all because I've  just now said it.  I think about you, Ilana.  I think about your trying again, and again.  You did it before, and you can do it again.  I can't assume anyone's feelings.  Everyone knows themselves better than I know you.  And we've all proved that we look at what each of says, in a different way.  It can't be helped, except to say it again.


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Words are tools we use to describe the world.  We live in the strange whirlwind of experience and impose order on it all by separating things out and giving them titles.  One thing’s a “cumulous cloud”; another’s a “woman”; another’s a “hero.”  But words can also trick us—making us want what is not there or dream of an ideal version of what exists.  Words can make us wish to be people we can not be.  Or they can estrange us from our actual experience of things.  ~ 

 

~I’d like to know if Faulkner’s lines ring true to you: Has language ever left you feeling lonely in the experience of real life?
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You spilled your basket of wisdoms again, Kathy, didn't you. I love it. Makes me feel just a little more secure. You are so right about there being more. More of everything. Most of all words. Sure, there are some that are empty, some are deceptive, some hide more than they reveal, some are too clever, too self-serving, too arrogant, too antagonistic, but then, we also have the words that bind us together, the ones that come straight from the heart. They are the ones worth repeating. Over and over.


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There is something more, that I want to say to this.  I wrote out a long post, yesterday, and deleted it, because it didn't say what I wanted, or felt, it should say.  There is always more.  The song, "More", keeps running through my head, from the day I read this topic.  One line of that songs says, "More, than the simple words I try to say...."  it goes on to speak of love.  That says something to me about writers.

 

This week I was told I was like the child, posting on this board, who was always trying to find ways, or seeking, the love of a parent, and I can't get that love no matter how hard I try.  It becomes:  No matter what I write, say, or do, you can't find what you are looking for, which ultimately becomes that illusive love.  So you keep writing until you get it right.

 

I wonder about writers.  We talk about their novels, or books, as being their "babies".  I wonder.  I wonder if those babies are us.  Something hit me in reading, again, that biography.  Lee talks about the dialogue of VW, between her and her sister Vanessa.  It all got so messed up in my head.  Who was the mother?  Who was the child?  Then Vanessa gets married, and is going to have a baby.  This is all displaced in Virginia's mind.  I wondered about this.  How do we perceive ourselves in our relationships with other people.  As writers, as we all are, on this board.  Who do we try to please?  It is ourselves, or is it someone else.  Who are these words for?  Who are we trying to bridge that gap to?

 

I believe, actually I know, as child I spent most of that childhood trying to 'talk' to the people that I couldn't get to listen to me.  My grandmother who couldn't listen to anything/anyone that wasn't the voices in her head.  My mother who wouldn't listen, except to say, love me.  My father who didn't know how to say what he felt, except to my mother,  and I didn't know how to communicate with any of them.  No matter what I would say,  or do, it was always wrong; my words always came out wrong, and never enough. I tried, and tried and tried, until I fell silent. 

 

During my depressions I wouldn't eat.  We talked about control a week ago, I never thought about this until now. I would go away, into my head, the loneliest place I could find.  To be isolated.  And in the process, you become insulated.  You do shut out more than people.  You shut out yourself.  You shut out everything that comes in contact with you, including food. I do have control over myself, but now it's just in a different form.  Less distructive.  But I've wondered why the loneliness is still in my words.  I see them.  I've felt them. 

 

I do everything just to get those words to say something to someone, and it seems that it's all because of wanting that love that I tried to get back from these people in my life.  I did feel that love this week, from everyone here.  I do know what it feels like, now, to have my words seen as simply me.  To be accepted as someone who just wants my words to be accepted.  But I'm not giving up on me.  I'll never do that.  I've always felt there is more to say, more to give, more to accept, whether in myself, or in others.  And it's all because I've  just now said it.  I think about you, Ilana.  I think about your trying again, and again.  You did it before, and you can do it again.  I can't assume anyone's feelings.  Everyone knows themselves better than I know you.  And we've all proved that we look at what each of says, in a different way.  It can't be helped, except to say it again.


IlanaSimons wrote:

Words are tools we use to describe the world.  We live in the strange whirlwind of experience and impose order on it all by separating things out and giving them titles.  One thing’s a “cumulous cloud”; another’s a “woman”; another’s a “hero.”  But words can also trick us—making us want what is not there or dream of an ideal version of what exists.  Words can make us wish to be people we can not be.  Or they can estrange us from our actual experience of things.  ~ 

 

~I’d like to know if Faulkner’s lines ring true to you: Has language ever left you feeling lonely in the experience of real life?
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Yes, I spilled my basket, again. And then I have second thoughts.    You would think my basket would be empty by now!  But yes, again, there is always more,

Ms. Sunshine!

 

Sometimes it feels Iike I'm Little Red Riding Hood, happily skipping along to grandmother's house, and then having the thought, and horror, of that Big Bad Wolf lurking, and waiting to jump out at me....and eating me alive!  I wish I could just calmly sit the basket down, and let people pick out the cookies of their choice.  Well, at least I made you feel a "little more secure".  Ha!  That warms my heart.


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You spilled your basket of wisdoms again, Kathy, didn't you. I love it. Makes me feel just a little more secure. You are so right about there being more. More of everything. Most of all words. Sure, there are some that are empty, some are deceptive, some hide more than they reveal, some are too clever, too self-serving, too arrogant, too antagonistic, but then, we also have the words that bind us together, the ones that come straight from the heart. They are the ones worth repeating. Over and over.


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This is a meaningful post, Kathy.  It seems brave of you to persist with big hopes for communication even after you thought your mother, father, and grandmother couldn't hear you.  (Though they probably saw more of you than you feared they did.  We also tend to hear you even when you fear we're tuned out.)

 


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There is something more, that I want to say to this.  I wrote out a long post, yesterday, and deleted it, because it didn't say what I wanted, or felt, it should say.  There is always more.  The song, "More", keeps running through my head, from the day I read this topic.  One line of that songs says, "More, than the simple words I try to say...."  it goes on to speak of love.  That says something to me about writers.

 

This week I was told I was like the child, posting on this board, who was always trying to find ways, or seeking, the love of a parent, and I can't get that love no matter how hard I try.  It becomes:  No matter what I write, say, or do, you can't find what you are looking for, which ultimately becomes that illusive love.  So you keep writing until you get it right.

 

I wonder about writers.  We talk about their novels, or books, as being their "babies".  I wonder.  I wonder if those babies are us.  Something hit me in reading, again, that biography.  Lee talks about the dialogue of VW, between her and her sister Vanessa.  It all got so messed up in my head.  Who was the mother?  Who was the child?  Then Vanessa gets married, and is going to have a baby.  This is all displaced in Virginia's mind.  I wondered about this.  How do we perceive ourselves in our relationships with other people.  As writers, as we all are, on this board.  Who do we try to please?  It is ourselves, or is it someone else.  Who are these words for?  Who are we trying to bridge that gap to?

 

I believe, actually I know, as child I spent most of that childhood trying to 'talk' to the people that I couldn't get to listen to me.  My grandmother who couldn't listen to anything/anyone that wasn't the voices in her head.  My mother who wouldn't listen, except to say, love me.  My father who didn't know how to say what he felt, except to my mother,  and I didn't know how to communicate with any of them.  No matter what I would say,  or do, it was always wrong; my words always came out wrong, and never enough. I tried, and tried and tried, until I fell silent. 

 

During my depressions I wouldn't eat.  We talked about control a week ago, I never thought about this until now. I would go away, into my head, the loneliest place I could find.  To be isolated.  And in the process, you become insulated.  You do shut out more than people.  You shut out yourself.  You shut out everything that comes in contact with you, including food. I do have control over myself, but now it's just in a different form.  Less distructive.  But I've wondered why the loneliness is still in my words.  I see them.  I've felt them. 

 

I do everything just to get those words to say something to someone, and it seems that it's all because of wanting that love that I tried to get back from these people in my life.  I did feel that love this week, from everyone here.  I do know what it feels like, now, to have my words seen as simply me.  To be accepted as someone who just wants my words to be accepted.  But I'm not giving up on me.  I'll never do that.  I've always felt there is more to say, more to give, more to accept, whether in myself, or in others.  And it's all because I've  just now said it.  I think about you, Ilana.  I think about your trying again, and again.  You did it before, and you can do it again.  I can't assume anyone's feelings.  Everyone knows themselves better than I know you.  And we've all proved that we look at what each of says, in a different way.  It can't be helped, except to say it again.


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Words are tools we use to describe the world.  We live in the strange whirlwind of experience and impose order on it all by separating things out and giving them titles.  One thing’s a “cumulous cloud”; another’s a “woman”; another’s a “hero.”  But words can also trick us—making us want what is not there or dream of an ideal version of what exists.  Words can make us wish to be people we can not be.  Or they can estrange us from our actual experience of things.  ~ 

 

~I’d like to know if Faulkner’s lines ring true to you: Has language ever left you feeling lonely in the experience of real life?
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Yeah, well, I'm brave alright. I'm sure my family heard me, they just chose to ignore me because they had their own agendas.  I understand it.  It's been years ago, they're all gone, and I'm over it, except for the times when I write about it, like now.  Then the walls come back up.  And I'm sure you and everybody here, hears me.  Even through the walls.   I hear the laughter in the far distance. 

 

That post was not meant to be about me, it was only meant to show a point, or an idea that I had, about why writers write.   What words say, or don't say.  Your topic about the loneliness of words, etc.... I used myself as an example.   I tend to do that, don't I?  

 

I'm not saying all writers write for feedback, acclamation, or for love.  But why not?  Sure, everyone does have their own reasons.  It was only a theory that I had, as it  seemed to pertain to me,  and I thought  maybe someone would be interested in this speculation, and want to comment on it. If they do, that's fine.  If they don't, that's fine too.  And not comment on me and my history.  That wasn't the idea of the post.  Now I'll take my empty basket and go home.  I'm okay,  I'm just tired and hungry, and I don't want to talk about me anymore.  Tell 'we', thanks for hearing me.


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This is a meaningful post, Kathy.  It seems brave of you to persist with big hopes for communication even after you thought your mother, father, and grandmother couldn't hear you.  (Though they probably saw more of you than you feared they did.  We also tend to hear you even when you fear we're tuned out.)

 


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There is something more, that I want to say to this.  I wrote out a long post, yesterday, and deleted it, because it didn't say what I wanted, or felt, it should say.  There is always more.  The song, "More", keeps running through my head, from the day I read this topic.  One line of that songs says, "More, than the simple words I try to say...."  it goes on to speak of love.  That says something to me about writers.

 

This week I was told I was like the child, posting on this board, who was always trying to find ways, or seeking, the love of a parent, and I can't get that love no matter how hard I try.  It becomes:  No matter what I write, say, or do, you can't find what you are looking for, which ultimately becomes that illusive love.  So you keep writing until you get it right.

 

I wonder about writers.  We talk about their novels, or books, as being their "babies".  I wonder.  I wonder if those babies are us.  Something hit me in reading, again, that biography.  Lee talks about the dialogue of VW, between her and her sister Vanessa.  It all got so messed up in my head.  Who was the mother?  Who was the child?  Then Vanessa gets married, and is going to have a baby.  This is all displaced in Virginia's mind.  I wondered about this.  How do we perceive ourselves in our relationships with other people.  As writers, as we all are, on this board.  Who do we try to please?  It is ourselves, or is it someone else.  Who are these words for?  Who are we trying to bridge that gap to?

 

I believe, actually I know, as a child I spent most of that childhood trying to 'talk' to the people that I couldn't get to listen to me.  My grandmother who couldn't listen to anything/anyone that wasn't the voices in her head.  My mother who wouldn't listen, except to say, love me.  My father who didn't know how to say what he felt, except to my mother,  and I didn't know how to communicate with any of them.  No matter what I would say,  or do, it was always wrong; my words always came out wrong, and never enough. I tried, and tried and tried, until I fell silent. 

 

During my depressions I wouldn't eat.  We talked about control a week ago, I never thought about this until now. I would go away, into my head, the loneliest place I could find.  To be isolated.  And in the process, you become insulated.  You do shut out more than people.  You shut out yourself.  You shut out everything that comes in contact with you, including food. I do have control over myself, but now it's just in a different form.  Less distructive.  But I've wondered why the loneliness is still in my words.  I see them.  I've felt them. 

 

I do everything just to get those words to say something to someone, and it seems that it's all because of wanting that love that I tried to get back from these people in my life.  I did feel that love this week, from everyone here.  I do know what it feels like, now, to have my words seen as simply me.  To be accepted as someone who just wants my words to be accepted.  But I'm not giving up on me.  I'll never do that.  I've always felt there is more to say, more to give, more to accept, whether in myself, or in others.  And it's all because I've  just now said it.  I think about you, Ilana.  I think about your trying again, and again.  You did it before, and you can do it again.  I can't assume anyone's feelings.  Everyone knows themselves better than I know you.  And we've all proved that we look at what each of us says, in a different way.  It can't be helped, except to say it again.


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Words are tools we use to describe the world.  We live in the strange whirlwind of experience and impose order on it all by separating things out and giving them titles.  One thing’s a “cumulous cloud”; another’s a “woman”; another’s a “hero.”  But words can also trick us—making us want what is not there or dream of an ideal version of what exists.  Words can make us wish to be people we can not be.  Or they can estrange us from our actual experience of things.  ~ 

 

~I’d like to know if Faulkner’s lines ring true to you: Has language ever left you feeling lonely in the experience of real life?
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SunltCloud,

 

Your story was/is frightening.  How are you doing now?

 

Your explanation of how you are usually aware of reaching across the flame, but weren't because of your distressed emotions, sounds so familiar to me.  I don't think there is any blame involved - but it's good that you are aware of your awareness, and aware that you weren't as aware when this happened.  I believe that sh_t happens.  We need to extend kindness and compassion to ourselves at these times.  (Words from my teacher) Yet, we often get caught up in should have, could have, blame...

 

I've done this to myself, when I've cut a finger while slicing vegetables, forgetting to remind myself that my knife was dull, like I usually would.  Or even when my finger and a little scissors held by a little boy, as he waved them about and I came towards him to warn him to be careful, somewhat randomly connected.  I ended up missing a chunk of skin and had to keep my finger wrapped for weeks.  Another little child told her parent the boy had cut my finger off. 

 

I hope your shopping trip was your way of being kind to yourself.

 

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I have to come to this from the other end. Words make my life real. At least my very private life. I live alone and there are days when most words only swirl around in my head, drop into my journal or get sucked into the computer screen. I do have a self-imposed rule to speak to somebody at least once a day, be it on the phone, at the grocery store, on my walk, or to a neighbor, this is to make sure isolation does not depress me, but remains the joy it has always been. Sadness and fear, put into words, lose their sharp edges. For instance aftre the big earthquake in 1989, when we all needed to talk about our experiences. Hugs and words. Again and again.

 

I’ll give you a specific, timely incident. This happened last Sunday and maybe it is the writer in me who needs words to make it real. I did not want to bother anybody at the time; there are things that are personal and not meant to be discussed casually at the grocery store; there are things that can’t be changed and would only worry our friends; there are times when we feel vulnerable and to admit to any kind of failure, be it in perception, in behavior, in judgment, would make a situation worse. Of course, all this is different if somebody stands next to you and witnesses your distress.

 

I was alone and for two hours after this happened I was in shock, but finally I wrote myself an email, read it, and then, belatedly, I made myself a cup of coffee. I was fine after that and today I was able to tell friends about it. We even joked about the dreaded Alzheimer’s question that must loom in all older people’s minds. After meeting with friends I went on a Barnes and Noble shopping spree, bought  a doll magazine, a book on brain power, one on herb gardening, and Anthony Bordain’s “Kitchen Confidential.” More words, I guess, but then, I love words and they are my healers. Here is the email I wrote to myself:

 

 I set myself on fire today, at around 2:30pm. As usual, I was going to have my afternoon coffee, sat the water kettle on the front burner, stuck a piece of zuchini bread in the toaster, then reached for the coffee maker and coffee in the cabinet to the right above the stove. I've done it many, many times, always aware of the fact that I am reaching across the kettle, sometimes feeling the warmth, occasionally wondering if the flame from the gas burner could set my clothes on fire.  

 

Well, I always thought, as long as the kettle covers the flames, as long as my clothes don't hang straight down, as long as I am aware of what could happen, I'll be safe. But two things turned against me today. First, the new kettle, the one I bought before Christmas because the old one sprang a leak when I cleaned it, the new kettle is much smaller than the old one and therefore doesn't cover as big an area as the old one did. Secondly, I had just come home from my walk to Safeway, had taken my outside coat off, had pulled on my favorite black velour jacket, but hadn't zipped it up.

 

I had read my emails and discovered that one of my writing buddies had died the day after Christmas. Lois Kittle had been in a convalescent hospital and I had intended to visit her as soon as the holiday season had come to an end. Right after my doctors' visits this coming week. I was sad about Lois' death, felt guilty about my procrastination; I should have gone to see her before the holidays.  Anyway, I didn't pay attention, reached for the coffee pot and coffee, sat them on the counter, felt something warm on the left side of my back, smelled something burn, Then I felt a sharp pain on my left side, turned; suddenly there were flames shooting from my back. Without hesitation I pulled both, my green top and the black velour jacket, over my head and dumped them in the sink and turned the faucet on.

 

 

All around me little flames sailed to the floor, most of them went out immediately because they were very small; some kept on burning and I filled the little coffee maker with water and threw water on the flames. Then I stood in the middle of my kitchen, mostly naked from the waist up, surveying the damage. Smoke was coming from my tops in the sink and I turned them to expose all sides to the stream of water.  I ran to my closet to put on another top before I began to clean up the kitchen floor. I had to use a scrubber to get the soot off. There are still three spots with what looks like permanent markings, the pieces of clothing have burned holes into the linoleum. Or maybe I have to scrub a little more. Not today though; I'm still upset about the whole thing. 

 

For the last two hours, since the incident, I have been watching my kitchen for "hidden embers." One always hears about this on television; a piece of material hides and ignites fully later, only to burn your house down. I will be up until late and will walk through the kitchen periodically. I did smell something burnt when I cleaned the floor, but found out that it was my hair. Apparently that happened when I pulled my clothes over my head. I also detected two places on my body that have burn marks. One is on my back. below my shoulder on my left side, the spot that first felt warm, then hot. About a three inch area looks red. The other one is a bumpy two-inch red streak just to the front of my left arm pit. I feel lucky, feel fortunate that I was able to react so quickly and that not more harm is done. My burned clothes are drying outside before I toss them. The green top has several brown burns, the black velour looks all fringed and melted on the back. I suppose I should consider using the back burner from now on when I heat water for coffee. I should probably be more careful when I reach for the coffee pot. I should not complain, not feel sorry for myself, because I am just fine.   

 

(Now that I read this again, I laugh. In a good story one does not give the punch line away; suspense is important to keep the reader engaged. This was obviously not a good story; it was meant to relieve the pressure. Like blurting it out to somebody. In the very first sentence!)


 

  

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I wonder about writers.  We talk about their novels, or books, as being their "babies".  I wonder.  I wonder if those babies are us.  Something hit me in reading, again, that biography.  Lee talks about the dialogue of VW, between her and her sister Vanessa.  It all got so messed up in my head.  Who was the mother?  Who was the child?  Then Vanessa gets married, and is going to have a baby.  This is all displaced in Virginia's mind.  I wondered about this.  How do we perceive ourselves in our relationships with other people.  As writers, as we all are, on this board.  Who do we try to please?  It is ourselves, or is it someone else.  Who are these words for?  Who are we trying to bridge that gap to?

 

I'm sure most writers have different agendas but I think it's the writer that writes to please him/her self that speaks to us the most. I think those tend to be the most honest. I think we are all trying to bridge a gap between ourselves and others.

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Ilana.  I'm beyond tired.  Listen, please.  I'm not brave.  It was a complicated thought that I tried to get across.  Maybe I failed at it.  I stuck VW into the mix, only because I constantly feel that loneliness from her.  I knew why she wrote.  I did say that I'm not lonely.  I lied.  Solitude does sometimes find me lonely.  Sometimes not.  Writing vents that loneliness, but it never takes it away.  I use this board to vent.  I write, and vent in private.  I write until it comes out my ears!  What does that mean...simply that words create something that nothing else will - an outlet for something that is loved so deeply, within oursleves, that it can't really be explained unless it's given away.  I give examples, and fail.  I give bits and pieces of me, and fail.  I show my vulnerable side, and make people uncomfortable, including myself.   I write poems and they make no sense to people.  Hearing people's voice, as I've repeated told you, is the only way for me to get affirmation of my own voice.   I don't know how else to say it!  I've heard it here.  I don't need it anymore. It's all about me, I admit it,  and I'm done.  Honestly.  This time I'm done.
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This time I'm done.

 

But only until a new day dawns!?  Please.  Of course.  It must be so?

 

The 7:30 a.m. winter light on my icy deck is soft and hazy, with a pale, pale glow of golden pink.

 

 

 

Yet, those words aren't right -- the light reflected from the ice shines darkly; it is the light through and over the kitchen shutters towards the East that has that ethereal promise of a new day.

 

 

Now, too many "that's" -- but removing one says something different.  Restructuring the sentence could get rid of the "it is."  But capturing with words eludes yet again.

 

 


KathyS wrote:
Ilana.  I'm beyond tired.  Listen, please.  I'm not brave.  It was a complicated thought that I tried to get across.  Maybe I failed at it.  I stuck VW into the mix, only because I constantly feel that loneliness from her.  I knew why she wrote.  I did say that I'm not lonely.  I lied.  Solitude does sometimes find me lonely.  Sometimes not.  Writing vents that loneliness, but it never takes it away.  I use this board to vent.  I write, and vent in private.  I write until it comes out my ears!  What does that mean...simply that words create something that nothing else will - an outlet for something that is loved so deeply, within oursleves, that it can't really be explained unless it's given away.  I give examples, and fail.  I give bits and pieces of me, and fail.  I show my vulnerable side, and make people uncomfortable, including myself.   I write poems and they make no sense to people.  Hearing people's voice, as I've repeated told you, is the only way for me to get affirmation of my own voice.   I don't know how else to say it!  I've heard it here.  I don't need it anymore. It's all about me, I admit it,  and I'm done.  Honestly.  This time I'm done.
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Peppermill, I love this post!  Are you a writer?  Well, of course you're a writer!  You write beautifully.

 

Has anyone here seen Woody Allen's Manhattan?  I loved the opening (I loved the whole movie actually) where he writes and re-writes the beginning of the movie, with Rhapsody in Blue playing in the background and shots of Manhattan on the screen.    Gosh, I have to rent that one again!

As anyone can see I blurt out my posts and have no patience for polishing a sentence.  Let's call it "stream of consciousness" not laziness.  lol  But I so appreciate those of you who do find precisely the right word and paint such beautiful pictures.  Peppermill, I can see your deck, it's lovely. 

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Pepper, my queen of music!  You sing to me a lullaby.

Forgive my moments of raw emotions?  The cake was left out in the rain! 

My heart does fill up so fast, it hurts until I have to scream. 

Yesterday was a day of beating my head against a wall.  Sorry if I got the remains on everyone! 

Morning has broken.....

Yes,

Kathy


Peppermill wrote:

This time I'm done.

 

But only until a new day dawns!?  Please.  Of course.  It must be so?

 

The 7:30 a.m. winter light on my icy deck is soft and hazy, with a pale, pale glow of golden pink.

 

Yet, those words aren't right -- the light reflected from the ice shines darkly; it is the light through and over the kitchen shutters towards the East that has that ethereal promise of a new day.

 

Now, too many "that's" -- but removing one says something different.  Restructuring the sentence could get rid of the "it is."  But capturing with words eludes yet again.


KathyS wrote:
Ilana.  I'm beyond tired.  Listen, please.  I'm not brave.  It was a complicated thought that I tried to get across.  Maybe I failed at it.  I stuck VW into the mix, only because I constantly feel that loneliness from her.  I knew why she wrote.  I did say that I'm not lonely.  I lied.  Solitude does sometimes find me lonely.  Sometimes not.  Writing vents that loneliness, but it never takes it away.  I use this board to vent.  I write, and vent in private.  I write until it comes out my ears!  What does that mean...simply that words create something that nothing else will - an outlet for something that is loved so deeply, within oursleves, that it can't really be explained unless it's given away.  I give examples, and fail.  I give bits and pieces of me, and fail.  I show my vulnerable side, and make people uncomfortable, including myself.   I write poems and they make no sense to people.  Hearing people's voice, as I've repeated told you, is the only way for me to get affirmation of my own voice.   I don't know how else to say it!  I've heard it here.  I don't need it anymore. It's all about me, I admit it,  and I'm done.  Honestly.  This time I'm done.

 

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From the Epics, Etc. board.  It seemed relevant to the discussion here on the shortcomings inherent in language.

 

 

bdNM wrote:
Joseph Campbell once said something to the effect that there is an ultimate reality for which there are no words, there are the words that we use to try to allude to that reality, but which fall short, and then there's what we talk about day to day.  Myth lives in that second level -- it alludes to some ultimate reality, but that doesn't mean that Greeks or Romans believed, necessarily, in the actual figures they present.  In the case of Juno, the Juno of his epic is not the Juno he's thinkiing of when he goes to the great temples of Juno in Rome -- she's a metaphor or symbol for those powers (anger, hate, greed, whatever) which get in the way of progress in the poem, but maybe not in the prayer life of Vergil himself.  And I'm convinced that Ovid was probably an atheist, and yet he still tells the myths, as they are the vehicles he can use for his ideas.  (1/5/09)

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