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I just looked in Wikipedia to found out what the Neustadt prize was. Never heard about it but the authors who got the prize are known to me although I didn't read most of them.  They are definitely going to be on my reading list!


I think I learned about the Neustadt when I audited a post-modern lit course.  We did read Assia Djebar (1996) here -- her Children of the New World  that I believe Ibis brought to our attention.  I tried to nominate something by Patrice Grace (2008), but her writings just aren't readily available through sources like B&N in the U.S.  (which is part of why Melissa proposed Keri Hulme's The Bone People  instead).  I do have one of Grace's books, but it is still on my TBR.  There is at least one other I'd like to spend some time with eventually.

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Well, the holiday season will soon be upon us, and I have enough things in my TBR for all the reading I can possibly fit into my days and evenings, undoubtedly more than enough.  But, I very much enjoy the discussions here and the interactions with those of you who post here.  Melissa, what about taking a break until the new year, but identifying now a book for January, and then perhaps when January rolls around, selecting something for February or March if there is still interest?

 

I have no particular author or book to suggest, although I would strongly prefer an author from a country other than England or the U.S. who is addressing our 21st century world.

 

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I loved this book: The Inheritance of Loss", another Booker prize of course... We might read another book from the same author though. The story takes place in India but the British influence is strongly alive...

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Well, the holiday season will soon be upon us, and I have enough things in my TBR for all the reading I can possibly fit into my days and evenings, undoubtedly more than enough.  But, I very much enjoy the discussions here and the interactions with those of you who post here.  Melissa, what about taking a break until the new year, but identifying now a book for January, and then perhaps when January rolls around, selecting something for February or March if there is still interest?

 

I have no particular author or book to suggest, although I would strongly prefer an author from a country other than England or the U.S. who is addressing our 21st century world.

 

Pepper


I'll second Pepper's suggestion!

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I loved this book: The Inheritance of Loss", another Booker prize of course... We might read another book from the same author though. The story takes place in India but the British influence is strongly alive...


Danielle -- take a look at the B&N reviews and tell us why you would still recommend this book/author.  The first ones that came up for me were pretty vicious, even a 4 star one.  (There are 33, I looked at the first six that came up for me.  I don't know if B&N randomizes these -- you might not get the same six? Most were anonymous.  One was one star, two were two star, the others 3 or 4 star.) 

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Here's a list of woman Pulitzer Prize winners in fiction:

 

2011 A Visit from the Goon Squad by Jennifer Egan (Alfred A.. Knopf)

2009 Olive Kitteridge byElizabeth Strout (Random House)

2006 March by Geraldine Brooks (Viking)

2005 Gilead by Marilynne Robinson (Farrar)

2000 Interpreter of Maladies byJhumpa Lahiri (Mariner Books/Houghton Mifflin)

1995 The Stone Diaries by Carol Shields (Viking)

1994 The Shipping News by E. Annie Proulx (Charles Scribner's Sons)

1992 A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley (Alfred A. Knopf)

1989 Breathing Lessons byAnne Tyler (Alfred A. Knopf)

1988 Beloved by Toni Morrison(Alfred A. Knopf)

1985 Foreign Affairs by Alison Lurie (Random House)

1983 The Color Purple by Alice Walker (Harcourt Brace)

1973 The Optimist's Daughterby Eudora Welty (Random)

1970 Collected Stories by Jean Stafford (Farrar)

1966 Collected Stories byKatherine Anne Porter(Harcourt)

1965 The Keepers Of The Houseby Shirley Ann Grau (Random)

1961 To Kill A Mockingbird byHarper Lee (Lippincott)

 

We have read a few of these authors on this board.  Some of these authors have been nominated.  I have read a few of the books myself and own several more that I haven't read yet.

 

Pepper, I don't think any of these authors are foreign, but Jhumpa Lahiri is of Indian descent and writes about the immigrant experience.  I have read all of her books and highly recommend them.  Two are short story collections and one is a novel.

 

Thoughts anyone?

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Here is my nomination for our next book.  It will be out in paperback on November 1.  It has been critically acclaimed and nominated for a prize.  "Téa Obreht was born in Belgrade in the former Yugoslavia in 1985 and has lived in the United States since the age of twelve. Her writing has been published in The New YorkerThe AtlanticHarper’s, and The Guardian, and has been anthologized in The Best American Short Stories and The Best American Nonrequired Reading. She has been named by The New Yorker as one of the twenty best American fiction writers under forty and included in the National Book Foundation’s list of 5 Under 35. "

 

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Fozzie wrote:

Here's a list of woman Pulitzer Prize winners in fiction:

 

2011 A Visit from the Goon Squad by Jennifer Egan (Alfred A.. Knopf)

2009 Olive Kitteridge by Elizabeth Strout (Random House)

2006 March by Geraldine Brooks (Viking)

2005 Gilead by Marilynne Robinson (Farrar)

2000 Interpreter of Maladies by Jhumpa Lahiri (Mariner Books/Houghton Mifflin)

1995 The Stone Diaries by Carol Shields (Viking)

1994 The Shipping News by E. Annie Proulx (Charles Scribner's Sons)

1992 A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley (Alfred A. Knopf)

1989 Breathing Lessons by Anne Tyler (Alfred A. Knopf)

1988 Beloved by Toni Morrison(Alfred A. Knopf)

1985 Foreign Affairs by Alison Lurie (Random House)

1983 The Color Purple by Alice Walker (Harcourt Brace)

1973 The Optimist's Daughter by Eudora Welty (Random)

1970 Collected Stories by Jean Stafford (Farrar)

1966 Collected Stories by Katherine Anne Porter(Harcourt)

1965 The Keepers Of The House by Shirley Ann Grau (Random)

1961 To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee (Lippincott)

 

We have read a few of these authors on this board.  Some of these authors have been nominated.  I have read a few of the books myself and own several more that I haven't read yet.

 

Pepper, I don't think any of these authors are foreign, but Jhumpa Lahiri is of Indian descent and writes about the immigrant experience.  I have read all of her books and highly recommend them.  Two are short story collections and one is a novel.

 

Thoughts anyone?


It is amazing how many of those I have read on that list which are definitely not on my list of favorite books!  (I probably have had better luck with the Man Booker than the Pulitzer, but that has been no sure bet either.)  

 

But thanks for extracting it for us, Fozzie, and despite those feelings on my part, there probably isn't a one but what I would be willing to discuss it here, whether new to me or a reread.  (Except possibly A Thousand Acres -- that one gets under my skin, not so much because it isn't a good book and good writing, but because I feel as if an "outsider" attending the Iowa Writers School misunderstood or misrepresented or pulled an unrepresentative story from the land in which she was residing.  Not good hospitality returned by a "guest"?  I know I am not totally rational on the subject -- but it is how I feel [rather strongly] about that book.  It doesn't "ring true" to me for a region that I know pretty well, although I have no doubts that specific examples could be brought forward to justify Smiley's story.  Melissa, you have any comments?)

 

(And Giants in the Earth  by O.E. Rolvaag is one of my absolute favorite books about the Midwest, along with those by Willa Cather, none of which are particularly gentle books.  But they do express both the land and the people in my experience.)

 

 

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Here is my nomination for our next book.  It will be out in paperback on November 1.  It has been critically acclaimed and nominated for a prize.  "Téa Obreht was born in Belgrade in the former Yugoslavia in 1985 and has lived in the United States since the age of twelve. Her writing has been published in The New YorkerThe AtlanticHarper’s, and The Guardian, and has been anthologized in The Best American Short Stories and The Best American Nonrequired Reading. She has been named by The New Yorker as one of the twenty best American fiction writers under forty and included in the National Book Foundation’s list of 5 Under 35. "

 

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I keep hearing about this one, so I'd be game to check it out with you all.  But, I do want to hear more from Danielle about the one she suggested. After all, she has read it.  (In my f2f book group, that used to be a requirement, since we trusted each other more than we did external reviews.  Such is still our preference, although sometimes that is too limiting, so we do both now.)

 

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chadadanielleKR wrote:

I loved this book: The Inheritance of Loss", another Booker prize of course... We might read another book from the same author though. The story takes place in India but the British influence is strongly alive...


Danielle -- take a look at the B&N reviews and tell us why you would still recommend this book/author.  The first ones that came up for me were pretty vicious, even a 4 star one.  (There are 33, I looked at the first six that came up for me.  I don't know if B&N randomizes these -- you might not get the same six? Most were anonymous.  One was one star, two were two star, the others 3 or 4 star.) 


I own this book and haven't read it yet.  I would read it with the group, but even the critics reviews are not that great.  The Library Journal said "not recommended."

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Goodreads reviews seem to be pretty balanced and it does happen to be a controversial subject for a novel (like a Rushdie).

 

Becky at http://mjmbecky.blogspot.com/ has a good review, look under Desai in her review database.


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Peppermill wrote:

chadadanielleKR wrote:

I loved this book: The Inheritance of Loss", another Booker prize of course... We might read another book from the same author though. The story takes place in India but the British influence is strongly alive...


Danielle -- take a look at the B&N reviews and tell us why you would still recommend this book/author.  The first ones that came up for me were pretty vicious, even a 4 star one.  (There are 33, I looked at the first six that came up for me.  I don't know if B&N randomizes these -- you might not get the same six? Most were anonymous.  One was one star, two were two star, the others 3 or 4 star.) 


I own this book and haven't read it yet.  I would read it with the group, but even the critics reviews are not that great.  The Library Journal said "not recommended."


 

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I found a nice review of the book.  I really liked it because I thought it was very moving. The scenery, the bottom of the Himalayas, is very vividly depicted as well as the changes of the seasons: the monsoon for instance. I could feel a "wall" a water falling over my head while reading the book (someone told me it's just like that) and insects crawling all aver the place because of the dampness. What I really liked was how the characters are facing the political, geographical, meteorological turmoils  which are taking place around them.

There are mostly hopeless and they can even be funny because as Indians, they are   more British than British trying so hard to keep on living like in the "old days" and failing to see that the world is changing around them. There is also an interesting part about the Indian illegal immigrant living in the United States.

All the characters just can't face the real world because of their origins, their upbringing,  their education,  their dreams so they just get crushed by their environment, which is rather sad actually, and I felt sorry for them even though they are not especially nice people; at least not all of them.

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Smiley's pretty popular here (and by "here" I mean at the UI - she did her PhD work here and then taught at ISU for a while before moving West; her daughter is in the MFA program here at the UI - we chatted at the yarn shop for a while).  A Thousand Acresreally draws on problems many family farm operations had in the 80s - farm crisis, whether to sell out to factory farms, when passing down the land it gets divided and harder to break-even on product, etc. combined with some serious family trouble.  I haven't read it as yet but my copy is signed by Smiley :smileyhappy: 

 


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But thanks for extracting it for us, Fozzie, and despite those feelings on my part, there probably isn't a one but what I would be willing to discuss it here, whether new to me or a reread.  (Except possibly A Thousand Acres -- that one gets under my skin, not so much because it isn't a good book and good writing, but because I feel as if an "outsider" attending the Iowa Writers School misunderstood or misrepresented or pulled an unrepresentative story from the land in which she was residing.  Not good hospitality returned by a "guest"?  I know I am not totally rational on the subject -- but it is how I feel [rather strongly] about that book.  It doesn't "ring true" to me for a region that I know pretty well, although I have no doubts that specific examples could be brought forward to justify Smiley's story.  Melissa, you have any comments?)

  

 


 

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Smiley's pretty popular here (and by "here" I mean at the UI - she did her PhD work here and then taught at ISU for a while before moving West; her daughter is in the MFA program here at the UI - we chatted at the yarn shop for a while).  A Thousand Acresreally draws on problems many family farm operations had in the 80s - farm crisis, whether to sell out to factory farms, when passing down the land it gets divided and harder to break-even on product, etc. combined with some serious family trouble.  I haven't read it as yet but my copy is signed by Smiley :smileyhappy: 

 


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But thanks for extracting it for us, Fozzie, and despite those feelings on my part, there probably isn't a one but what I would be willing to discuss it here, whether new to me or a reread.  (Except possibly A Thousand Acres -- that one gets under my skin, not so much because it isn't a good book and good writing, but because I feel as if an "outsider" attending the Iowa Writers School misunderstood or misrepresented or pulled an unrepresentative story from the land in which she was residing.  Not good hospitality returned by a "guest"?  I know I am not totally rational on the subject -- but it is how I feel [rather strongly] about that book.  It doesn't "ring true" to me for a region that I know pretty well, although I have no doubts that specific examples could be brought forward to justify Smiley's story.  Melissa, you have any comments?)

  

 


As a literary "game" 1000 Acres is clever -- Smiley was doing a modern take on King Lear, which, of course, has some of the vilest of family dynamics.  I just never saw it that bad among the farm families of whom I was aware, even though things could get pretty brutal.  But this was about murder in canning jars -- with a type of canning (of meat) that had pretty much gone out of favor even before I left the Midwest (before the land consolidations became so widespread).  I would have preferred something with a more sympathic hold on what were some tough dynamics.   It revulsed me enough that I missed any bigger messages Smiley might have had.  (Maybe someday I can reread it while suspending my gut distaste for the story.  But I was living in the East by the time I read it, and I felt it misrepresented an area that was already misunderstood by much of the rest of the country, rather than aiding understanding.  It is probably the only book I have ever felt this strongly about.  And I know it received broad critical praise, even to some extent established Smiley as a major regional author.)

 

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Re: So, where do we go from here?

Pepper and Melissa, do either of you want to nominate a book for discussion?

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I'd be happy with either your or Danielle's suggestion, maybe in succession, even.  As I said, The Tiger's Wife  had been on my radar screen for awhile, but I also trust Danielle's judgment, especially since she has read the book she suggested, (The Inheritance of Loss)..  Right now I have so much "male" writing on my agenda, I have little need/desire to open new doors.  (Proust, Trollope, Shaara, Friedman, Barth, Pyle, Llosa, Pamuk, -- not all active, some temporarily "abandoned", some in the discussion, ...)  The one female also in discussion is Joan Chittister

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If you do, I'll read it, I promise!

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If you do, I'll read it, I promise!

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Please tell us what you are referring to, Danielle.  Tiger Wife?  since you said you had already read the other?

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It definitely  sounds interesting.

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Please tell us what you are referring to, Danielle.  Tiger Wife?  since you said you had already read the other?




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Should we read Inheritance of Loss in January and The Tiger's Wife in February?

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