02-04-2007 06:14 PM
This is the shorter version, but I could write books...
02-04-2007 06:21 PM
I think I agree with everything you say- take a look at friendship- walton's search in the beginning, frankenstein and beaufort's loss of friendship, victor's loss when he went to school, the monster's need for a friend after creation, the friendships that formed between elizabeth,victor and clerval, the friendship that develops between walton and victore later in the story, etc...
Also, one twist to consider: did the monster really exist, was he created?
02-04-2007 11:04 PM
02-07-2007 07:55 PM
02-14-2007 06:41 PM
I think Shelley was a little ahead of her time, procreation might best take place between two men, or two men and a woman, remember Elizabeth was also absent. But I think she would agree with me, or I with her, it should take place between friends always.
02-14-2007 09:58 PM
02-15-2007 04:09 AM
book of poetry
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02-15-2007 10:49 AM
02-15-2007 08:56 PM
There once was a guy named von Frankenstein.
He thought he could out do nature, that swine.
And try as he might.
The monster's not right.
For the creature made Victor in cold whine.
02-16-2007 09:41 PM
02-17-2007 10:20 AM
--Yes, I'm thinking that this is what was happening naturally in Shelley's mercantilistic-turning-industrial world. New peoples and new races we're being created, either through arranged marraiges or business deals, but mainly through new exposures as a result of trade, in general. I imagine many felt that they were Frankenstein's monster or knew of one. Again, "different" people might search for reasons for their own existence or sources of their own isolation and unhappiness in language. But languages were not evolving as rapidly as the newly evolving world. In fact, languages were unifying, while the world was becoming a little more diverse. "Friend" was difficult to understand.
Well, I was meaning to put up a few things about "The Franken", but the forum came to an abrupt end and I found myself just throwing up all sorts of things, so I'm glad you respond.
02-17-2007 10:32 AM
"I then thought that my father would be unjust if he ascribed my neglect to vice, or faultiness on my part; but I am now convinced that I should not be altogether free from blame. A human being in perfection ought always to preserve a calm and peaceful mind, and never to allow passion or a transitory desire to disturb tranquility. I do not think that the pursuit of knowledge is an exception to this rule. If the study to which you apply yourself has a tendency to weaken your affections, and to destroy your taste for those simple pleasures in which no alloy can possibly mix, then that study is certainly unlawful, that is to say, not befitting the human mind. If this rule were always observed; if no man allowed any pursuit whatsoever to interefere with the tranquility of his domestic affections, Greece had not been enslaved; Caesar would have spared his country; America would have been discovered more gradually; and the empires of Mexico and Peru had not been destroyed." p.50
02-18-2007 10:16 AM
Victor is disecting the world. He is taking apart to see how it ticks like Radio played by Cuba Gooding Jr. takes apart the clock. He felt this discernment would be "rapture." "After having formed this determination and having spent some months in successfully collecting and arranging my materials," he starts to create giant monstrosity.
Mankind is a shadow of what once was. Humans are products of culture clashing and producing a new creation. We have "dull yellow eyes."
02-18-2007 05:11 PM - edited 02-18-2007 05:11 PM
But my understanding is that, in general, science left unchecked by ethics can lead to a monster. Religion can provide that balance.
What say you?
ps-Law can also provide a check on science, but law and religion were, I would say, a bit corrupt in the novel, probably also true of Shelley's world.
Message Edited by chad on 02-18-200705:35 PM
02-19-2007 09:39 AM
02-19-2007 11:21 AM
My guess is that, prior to the world wars, people were using each other for their body parts, through arranged marraiges or possibly through adoption of children with desirable traits, or perhaps some awful experiments, like Mengler's took place. But, people being "bred", rather than a physical removal of someone's desirable body part and sticking it on yourself, is what I think was taking place in Shelley's world and prior to...
Plastic surgery did not exist then, unfortunately for those who were discarded for unwanted physical characteristics, hopefully they would find a friend?
02-19-2007 11:07 PM - edited 02-19-2007 11:07 PM
Message Edited by bogeycadet on 02-19-200711:09 PM
02-20-2007 10:44 AM
I think Mary would agree, but these tendencies, if they remain unchecked or "untempered", can produce a monster.