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the geophysical then

Whew! Not Again!

I've used geophysical several times to delineate or more accurately describe the physical forces and processes that Shelley describes in Frankenstein- the forces that create mountains, erode shores, etc. So, "geophysical" then, apart from it's dictionary definition, is that which can be sensed, or seen and heard, possibly forming words themselves. The distinction is important to understand Shelley's theme: words are not only created by my own mind, but created externally, by Nature herself. In other words, some words imitate the sounds of Nature.

I started Moby, it's good. I had read a little of this in fifth grade, let's see if my original impression was accurate, if I can only remember what that was.....

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Re: mathematics

And finally...

... all languages might be converging to mathematics, but also remember that our lingual evolution might not stop there. The languages would possibly merge to become the actual physical and geophysical forces themselves, through economics, which uses mathematics.

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Ben Franklinstein? maybe....I say

Ben Franklinstein or Einstein? Adam Smith, Colombus or Amerigo? Which one was responsible for the world's ills? One or all? Possibly one or all were Jewish...we don't know. I don't believe that all America's founding fathers were part Jewish, but I do believe that Shelley wrote about Jewish/German conflicts/issues- The monster's yellow skin contrasts the child that Victor might have created with Elizabeth, a child with golden hair.

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I think Jesuit schools also existed at the time as well- anyway, religious influence is what she also writes about, I think.

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Or you can ignore everything I just said and go back to my intro....

The characters in the story could not see Frankenstein as a friend, or in other words, he could not be a friend. Why?- this question will lead to trouble, but you'll have a better understanding of the book and the world, I think.

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hyperbolas, parabolas, ellipses, circles, etc. etc.

Yea, all of these things, but fit into a 3-D world. The graph would be lattitude(x-axis) and longitude(y-axis) and a mountain might fit the shape of a parabola, etc. So fit your own graph, created in mathematics, into a 3-D world, but a world where we see physical manifestations of our equations, I think.

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On degrees

I'm not sure whether first, second or third degree murder existed in Shelley's world. But remember that the difference between the degrees is a set of facts as explained in words.....

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Re: Ilana: Will I get to the later Chapters?

I feel like the remoteness of the polar location in which the final chapters take place is symbolic for the way that Victor feels after he has lost all his friends and family. He feels alone, there is no one in this final place and he is cold to all society, the landscape is covered in snow meaning that it is cold there.
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Re: Ilana: Will I get to the later Chapters?



topnotchgirlie88 wrote:
I feel like the remoteness of the polar location in which the final chapters take place is symbolic for the way that Victor feels after he has lost all his friends and family. He feels alone, there is no one in this final place and he is cold to all society, the landscape is covered in snow meaning that it is cold there.




Hi topnotchgilie,
Thanks for coming into this conversation. Just to let you know, the Frankenstein conversation was a November conversation and has now just about wound down. The two book clubs that are getting underway for January are Kafka and The Jungle. I hope you can jump into either of those.
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Re: Ilana: Will I get to the later Chapters?

He also cries there, I think.

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philosophy evolving into science

At one point Victor coins natural philosophy as science, but Victor's father is skeptical and wishes him to study the modern scientists-- what he feels to be science. So, for the purposes of this story and perhaps history, natural philosphy or philosphy has evolved or become more modernized-- science has replaced it. Victor in a sense, retroevolves the world by creating a human being from early philosophies, which he considers to be sciences, I think.

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friendship theme

So... Let's think about the types of friendships that we have and make. Friends tend to be like ourselves but not too much like ourselves. It is these two qualities that are in conflict within us- we need some stability, but we also need our freedom. I think these qualities have to be present in our friendships or relationships, but they are qualities which are obviously in tension. They are states that are also found in nature: for example, water is more fluid or dynamic, but it turns into ice, more solid and stable. So you see free states versus stable states in nature, but they are also embodied in the last name Franken(free)stein(stone), for german fans, and also in friendship. And remember, Frankenstein begins with Walton's search for a friend....

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Two states of Nature

..and these two states(stable and free) clash with great force- like a bolt of lightning, creating a moment of singularity- life and death, beginning and end, and so on- you got it!

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I didn't want wreck your concept of friendship, but perhaps the Shelleys simplify things into stable and free states so that we can focus on our reasons for friendships and improve them. The need for something steady but the need to be free are in constant tension- they are seen in Nature and so they would be inside of each of us. Is marraige a friendship, for example? Well, sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. People can have alterior motives or perhaps you might know of a friendship that was supposed to be a friendship and then you turned into a love slave...

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