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Roger Ackroyd: Poirot as Detective (All Readers)

There has been some discussion on this board about Hercule Poirot vs. Miss Jane Marple. This book is unusual in some ways, because Christie combines a couple of techniques she uses in other books. She writes more often in third person than in first person, and usually the books in first person feature a non-series detective. Some books combine one of the series detectives with an individual who acts as a sort of partner to the main detective (The 4:50 From Paddington is a case in point), and Hastings acts as narrator in a lot of the Poirot mysteries.

Do you feel that Christie went into her books with a sense of which detective she was going to feature? If so, do you think her choice of detective influenced the way she wrote the individual books or did she wait to see which way the book was going before she decided which of her detectives would best fit the plot?

In this book, however much of it you have read so far, do you feel that the plot is essentially a "Poirot" plot or would this book have worked better with a non-series detective, with Poirot assisted by Hastings or Ariadne Oliver, or with Miss Marple?
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Re: Roger Ackroyd: Poirot as Detective (All Readers)

I think this is definitely a "Poirot" book. And I think Christie writes with a detective in mind right from the beginning. The settings for the Miss Marple series are quaint and set in a village whereas with Poirot, the setting change with his assignments or wherever he is residing.
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I agree that The Murder of Roger Ackroyd is a Poirot mystery, insofar as he is retired, and Hastings is off in Argentina. Having Dr. Shepard be his stand-in sidekick ... "You are like my friend Hastings..." is a distraction. We become less suspicious of Dr. Shepard because he is Poirot's assistant, and therefore cannot possibly have ulterior motives.
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Re: Roger Ackroyd: Poirot as Detective (All Readers)

Another thought I had:

Caroline Sheppard reminded me so much of Miss Jane Marple that it would have been fun to see these two gals get together and solve the murders.
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IBIS wrote:
Another thought I had:

Caroline Sheppard reminded me so much of Miss Jane Marple that it would have been fun to see these two gals get together and solve the murders.




What a great idea! I could really picture that -- what fun!
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IBIS wrote:
Another thought I had:

Caroline Sheppard reminded me so much of Miss Jane Marple that it would have been fun to see these two gals get together and solve the murders.



I also see this as a Hercule Poirot mystery. And I also think, Agatha went with the detective first and created a plot to suit that detective. IBIS, that's a fascinating idea. If this became a Miss Marple mystery, I don't think Dr. Sheppard could remain the first person narrator. It would either have to be a third person book. Or it would have to be Miss Marple in first person perhaps even visiting Caroline Sheppard for some reason when the murder occurs because this isn't Miss Marple's locale.
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Librarian, that's a marvelous idea. Miss Marple visits Caroline Sheppard in King's Abbot; together they take advantage of Caroline's intelligence gatherers; it would be interesting to see how they both would handle revealing Caroline's brother as the killer. Would they recommend that he commit suicide to spare Caroline's reputation in the village?

It should have an omniscient narrator; none of this first-person narrator business. If Jane Marple was the narrator, I'd triple my alertness to make sure SHE wasn't pulling the wool over my eyes.
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IBIS wrote:
Another thought I had:

Caroline Sheppard reminded me so much of Miss Jane Marple that it would have been fun to see these two gals get together and solve the murders.




I also find Caroline Sheppard reminiscent of Jane Marple, though with a slightly sharper character. I wonder if this book would have worked as a story of a young Miss Marple - visiting a distance cousin, perhaps.
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Not quite on topic, but I have a question.

How is Poirot pronounced? Is it phonetic: Poy-rot, or is it Poy-rote or, Poy-roe
or something different altogether? Thanks.
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Re: Roger Ackroyd: Poirot as Detective (All Readers)

Although Poirot if Belgian, in the movie versions, everyone uses the French pronunciation: PWAH-ROH

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Re: Roger Ackroyd: Poirot as Detective (All Readers)

Ah, so I was wrong on all counts. I never took French in High School so the pronunciation is completely foreign to me.
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coreen222 wrote:
Not quite on topic, but I have a question.

How is Poirot pronounced? Is it phonetic: Poy-rot, or is it Poy-rote or, Poy-roe
or something different altogether? Thanks.




It's pronounced Pwa-row, with the accent almost equally on both syllables, but slightly stronger on the second syllable.
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becke_davis wrote:


coreen222 wrote:
Not quite on topic, but I have a question.

How is Poirot pronounced? Is it phonetic: Poy-rot, or is it Poy-rote or, Poy-roe
or something different altogether? Thanks.




It's pronounced Pwa-row, with the accent almost equally on both syllables, but slightly stronger on the second syllable.




Thank you.
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Re: Roger Ackroyd: Poirot as Detective (All Readers)

The accent is on the first syllable. It's prounounced like French because it is French. The running gag in the books is that everyone always assumes he is French, but he always corrects them about being Belgian. But the reason they assume he is French is because to someone who's not from either France or Belgium the dialect sounds pretty much the same. Rather like the fact that Canadians and U.S. Americans are often confused for each other overseas because to other people we sound pretty much the same, but we definitely don't think so...