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Re: 19.99 the new 9.99

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A digital file IS worth less than a physical copy....Nothing will ever change my mind about that. If I buy the DTB... which I often still do... I can share it with my friends, sell it at a yard sale or donate it to charity.  I can't do any of that with an Ebook...

 

I love my nook but I am not a slave to it... I will buy or not buy based on what makes sense to me.  I went for years buying all my books from a used book store back when I was a single mom raising 3 kids alone with no child support and my great luxury was to allow myself to spend $5 a month on books.  I can give up B&N stores, new DTB and the nook again if I have to

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EffieTX wrote:

A digital file IS worth less than a physical copy....Nothing will ever change my mind about that. If I buy the DTB... which I often still do... I can share it with my friends, sell it at a yard sale or donate it to charity.  I can't do any of that with an Ebook...

 

I love my nook but I am not a slave to it... I will buy or not buy based on what makes sense to me.  I went for years buying all my books from a used book store back when I was a single mom raising 3 kids alone with no child support and my great luxury was to allow myself to spend $5 a month on books.  I can give up B&N stores, new DTB and the nook again if I have to


 

A digital book is worth less than a DTB *to you*.  But not necessarily to everyone else.  For me (I am only speaking for me, not anyone else, my opinion only), an ebook is worth exactly the same as a DTB.  Really.  For me, the content is the only thing I care about.  I don't lend my books (too many books have vanished that way so I don't do it anymore), I don't sell my books when I'm done with them, and I don't buy books to keep on display.  I have on occasion given away boxes of old books to Goodwill to make room on the shelves.  Since I no longer have to give away books to make room, the digital versions are actually more useful to me since I can keep more of my books. Having said that I probably wouldn't pay $20 for an ebook, unless I absolutely had to have it that minute and couldn't wait.  But then I never paid that much for my DTBs either.  I either bought the cheap paperback version, asked for books for my birthday, waited for the twice yearly library sale and got what I could there, or checked it out of the

library.  

 

Most people do seem to share your opinion that digital books are worth much less than the physical version.  I just thought I'd share another opinion with you.

 

Fran

 

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I don't sell my books, I don't lend my books, and I don't donate or otherwise give away my books (unless I accidentally buy a duplicate copy).  I do, however, buy every paper book I own in hardcover, when available, and usually in first edition.  That's due to nothing more than personal preference.  Of course, having plenty of shelf space doesn't hurt.  :smileywink:

 

I am very concerned with the content of my books as well, and that content often includes maps and artwork.  In many instances, these are as integral to the story as the writing itself.  The last hardcover I bought, The Way of Kings, by Brandon Sanderson, is filled with artistic sketches belonging to one of the central characters and a large number of maps.  These are spaced throughout the book and include amazing, full color maps on the inside covers..  They are all part of the story, and these things just don't work very well on the NOOK.

 

But all of that is incidental to my belief as to why ebooks are worth less than physical books.  Yes, the story is the most important part of the book, but, ultimately, a license to read that story should not cost as much as outright ownership of it, in any instance.

 

 


 

In regards to the discussion that an ebook of over 1,000 pages should cost more, I disagree.  As I stated earlier, The Way of Kings is over 1,000 pages long.  It is a story of over 400,000 words, and with the maps, sketches, dust cover and inside cover artwork, must have cost a good deal to produce.  The ebook cost $14.99 on its release date, when I ordered the hardcover at a little over $15.  It has recently been dropped to $12.99.  Most of these large ebooks don't cost $20.

 

 

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xamier wrote:

 


sam_ann wrote:

 


xamier wrote:

Come on people, the E book is worth exactly what people will pay  and the owner will accept.

 

If you don't accept the price, don't buy it. If you can't live another day without it do buy it.

 

I fail to see where the problem is. If e books cost more then people are willing to pay, the market will correct it or e books will go the way of the Dodo bird.

 

Have a nice evening.


But I don't want ebooks to go the way of the dodo bird! :smileysad: Completely apart from an individual's financial concerns, a lot of people are emotionally and pragmatically invested in an ebook future. I for one want it to succeed as a mainstream book format and this painful, drawn out price wrangling in the market isn't making that more likely.

 


 

I don't want E book to go away either and I doubt the people who sell them want them to go away either. I think the market will settle the price and I hope people will get over the idea that digital content is worth less then DTB content.

 

 


 

I agree with your first statement, with the possible exception of MacMillan. I can't help but get the feeling they think they can hold back the tide of digitization by main force.

 

As for people changing their views on the worth of digital content, hoping for that is a bit at odds with your trust in the market. After all, the market is everyone. People's decisions on a product's worth are highly individualized and based on many factors, not just content. Every person's threshold is different, and there's nothing wrong with that. If capitalism is allowed to run its course then the price that meets the threshold for the most consumers while still allowing the supplier to remain in business and make profit is the price the market settles at.

 

Unfortunately, capitalism isn't running its course. It's being manipulated by price fixing. Obviously this doesn't affect you or anyone else whose threshold matches the prices being demanded, and that's great. But for the other consumers who have different circumstances than you, price fixing is taking away their choices. Maybe the prices would naturally settle at a level more in line with what you think ebooks are worth than what someone else thinks they're worth. That would be totally ok, though I think the likely outcome would be somewhere in the middle. But we won't find out until publishers stop cheating, which is all the Agency model is. In the meantime, people for whom ebook demand is inelastic feel powerless, and no one likes that.

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For the record, I agree with frantastk, and probably you too xamier. To me ebooks and DTB's are worth exactly the same because the content is the same and to me the convenience factor makes up for the loss in resale value. But most people don't agree with me, and nothing is going to change that. The sooner the publishers accept that fact, the better off we'll all be.

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@Nallia - Perfect example of why I also do not believe ebooks are worth as much as DTBs.  The Way of Kings is the first DTB I've purchased since I got my nook back in May.  It was for the same reason; all of the artwork, maps, etc inside the book as well as the fantastic cover art.

I've been extremely disappointed with a few ebooks because the maps were impossible to see in the ebook version and that takes a lot away from the story.


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sygram wrote:

@Nallia - Perfect example of why I also do not believe ebooks are worth as much as DTBs.  The Way of Kings is the first DTB I've purchased since I got my nook back in May.  It was for the same reason; all of the artwork, maps, etc inside the book as well as the fantastic cover art.

I've been extremely disappointed with a few ebooks because the maps were impossible to see in the ebook version and that takes a lot away from the story.


 

I agree that maps and diagrams on the nook are currently not useable. However this is something that can be fixed by software (and hopefully will be soon).

 

In the (hopefully not to distant) future we will have color eReaders with the ability to pan and zoom maps, pictures, and diagrams. Then there will be no difference in the content. In fact the ability to zoom in a section of the map in a book could make dense maps even easier to read.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that the display of maps and pictures is a shortcoming of the nook and not a shortcoming of the content and should not be a factor in determining the price of the content.

 

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Count me as another purchaser of the hardcover version of The Way of Kings.  It's gorgeous!  Like a deluxe special edition rather than the regular trade hardcover.  It cost me $16 and change while the ebook was $14.99.  At a very hefty 1008 pages, I would loved to have the ebook as a reading copy.  But I wasn't about to pay almost again as much for it.

 

To me, the ebook has about the same value as a mass market paperback.  It doesn't have more value to me simply because the hardcover is the only paper format available.  But I realize others are willing to pay this initial release premium.  Maybe I'll buy the ebook of The Way of Kings for a later re-read when the price comes down further.

 

Obviously, the reason publishers went for this whole Agency Model business was to test how much the market will bear.  They didn't like that Amazon decided that $9.99 was the upper limit.  First, I think that they're too late.  Amazon already really intrenched that price point in people's minds.  Second, what the heck do publishers know about retail?  Especially compared to Amazon.

 

I do believe that pricing will settle down once ebooks are a larger part of the overall book market.

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Doug_Pardee wrote:

 

Now let's take a look at the top 100 of B&N's own bestsellers at the moment

 

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not one of the "over $12.99" titles has been out for more than two weeks; only one has been out more than one week. I'm guessing that within the next couple of weeks, most of these will have dropped a couple of bucks in price.


It's only been 11 days, but here's a pricing update on those seven titles:

 

  • $14.99 #1 #4 Don't Blink, James Patterson (Hachette) - released 9/27
  • $19.99 #4 #14 Fall of Giants, Ken Follett (Penguin) - released 9/28
  • $14.99 #8 #50 Obama's Wars, Bob Woodward (Simon & Schuster) - released 9/27
  • $12.99 #17 #24 Bad Blood, John Sandford (Penguin) - released 10/5
  • $9.99 #27 #29 Legacy, Danielle Steele (Random House) - released 9/28
  • $12.99 #71 #89 Pinheads and Patriots, Bill O'Reilly (HarperCollins) - released 9/14
  • $12.99 #100 #377 Even Silence Has an End, Ingrid Betancourt (Penguin) - released 9/21

Out of those seven, the four oldest and lowest-ranked (earlier ranking) have had price reductions already. It's only been 4 days since Bad Blood was released, and it's already dropped. It sure looks like Obama's Wars is due, given the sales fall-off.

 

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sygram wrote:

@Nallia - Perfect example of why I also do not believe ebooks are worth as much as DTBs.  The Way of Kings is the first DTB I've purchased since I got my nook back in May.  It was for the same reason; all of the artwork, maps, etc inside the book as well as the fantastic cover art.

I've been extremely disappointed with a few ebooks because the maps were impossible to see in the ebook version and that takes a lot away from the story.


 

I've only had my NOOK for several weeks.  Taliesin goes everywhere I go, and seems quite happy with that, though.  :smileywink:  Having said that, I understand that you wanted *THIS PARTICULAR BOOK* in hardcopy.  (To you) This book was more valuable in hardcopy than in e-format.  I don't follow the logic that *all* DTB books are more valuable.

 

I guess I'm agreeing with fran; it is the content which I find valuable.

 

 (I do purge books, donate to the library, occasionally lend them to friend who I trust implicitly.  I keep the books that I really loved; I don't have every book I've ever owned.  We've moved 6 times in 10 years.  Keeping everything isn't really an option for me, and *that* was the appeal of the NOOK.  I could have all those books, including some that I might have kept if packing hadn't been a concern - without taking up any shelf space.) 

 

I guess I would like to see ebooks priced lower than trade paperbacks, and I did expect it.  But I don't see it as a VALUE difference.  We are just trained, by years of experience, to get a physical thing when we buy a book.  With ebooks, we just don't.  Therefore we *feel* like they should cost less.

 

I admit, I would have trouble paying $29.99 for any ebook - although the only books I've paid list price for in recent history are the final two installments of Harry Potter.  I always wait until trade paperbacks come out; most of my books have been bought from the "Bargain Book" table or Half-Price Books.  

 

(I need to disclaim:  I've noted elsewhere that my husband is a professional chef with shelves of cookbooks - they don't get purged :smileysurprised: - and we buy those in hardcopy and some have been bought withing weeks of release and were $$$.  They aren't mine, though.  He has convinced himself that they are a professional expense.)  

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Ya_Ya wrote:

 


sygram wrote:

@Nallia - Perfect example of why I also do not believe ebooks are worth as much as DTBs.  The Way of Kings is the first DTB I've purchased since I got my nook back in May.  It was for the same reason; all of the artwork, maps, etc inside the book as well as the fantastic cover art.

I've been extremely disappointed with a few ebooks because the maps were impossible to see in the ebook version and that takes a lot away from the story.


 

I've only had my NOOK for several weeks.  Taliesin goes everywhere I go, and seems quite happy with that, though.  :smileywink:  Having said that, I understand that you wanted *THIS PARTICULAR BOOK* in hardcopy.  (To you) This book was more valuable in hardcopy than in e-format.  I don't follow the logic that *all* DTB books are more valuable.

 

I guess I'm agreeing with fran; it is the content which I find valuable.

 

 (I do purge books, donate to the library, occasionally lend them to friend who I trust implicitly.  I keep the books that I really loved; I don't have every book I've ever owned.  We've moved 6 times in 10 years.  Keeping everything isn't really an option for me, and *that* was the appeal of the NOOK.  I could have all those books, including some that I might have kept if packing hadn't been a concern - without taking up any shelf space.) 

 

I guess I would like to see ebooks priced lower than trade paperbacks, and I did expect it.  But I don't see it as a VALUE difference.  We are just trained, by years of experience, to get a physical thing when we buy a book.  With ebooks, we just don't.  Therefore we *feel* like they should cost less.

 

I admit, I would have trouble paying $29.99 for any ebook - although the only books I've paid list price for in recent history are the final two installments of Harry Potter.  I always wait until trade paperbacks come out; most of my books have been bought from the "Bargain Book" table or Half-Price Books.  

 

(I need to disclaim:  I've noted elsewhere that my husband is a professional chef with shelves of cookbooks - they don't get purged :smileysurprised: - and we buy those in hardcopy and some have been bought withing weeks of release and were $$$.  They aren't mine, though.  He has convinced himself that they are a professional expense.)  


As I said, that is incidental to the reason I believe ebooks do not share the same monetary value as paper books.  Of course the content is the most important part of a book, in any format.  The content is, after all, why I read in the first place.  However, there is nothing that can ever convince me that a license to read something is of the same monetary value as true ownership of that same item.