LEND ME on NOOK - False Advertising

[keriflur]

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ReformedReader wrote:

There have been some on this thread that have express the issues very well.  The issue with most of those complaining is not really the polices, but the lack of research before buying the device.

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YES.

Sometimes I buy things without properly researching them.  A lot of the time I don't read the fine print, and I almost never read ToS documentation.  And you know what?  If something doesn't turn out the way I hoped, IT'S ON ME.  It's my fault for not educating myself.  It's my fault, because I had the opportunity to know better.  I don't go on about how the universe is unfair and needs to change for me.  I don't complain that the seller, rights holder, maker, etc. is WRONG, because, fair or not, they made the information available to me, and they're following the policy I agreed to.

So you know what I do in a situation like that?  I suck it up.

I'm all for discussing the benefits and drawbacks of a policy.  I'm all for those who suggest a better way to do things (assuming the person has actually thought about the complexities of the issue).  But I see absolutely no benefit in complaining, period.

When someone cries, "It's not fair!" I want to stick them in the corner and give them a time out while the other kids go out for recess.  Slavery is unfair.  Sitting in jail when you're innocent of the crime is unfair.  Cancer is unfair.  But we're talking about ebooks here.

[healswhands]

as nook owners, we should see about a forum and community website like a fb account that allows memeber to voice their upcoming choices on books, then people can partner up, find what books they and the other person enjoys and share them. doesnt have to be the same partner everytime but it would be like getting two books for the price of one. i think all books should be shared for free.

[Lady_Zimmy]

Have you considered registering both your nooks to the same account? Me and my boyfriend do that, he just gives me money or whatever for the books and we can even read the simultaneously without buying two.

[ProfReader]

you can have separate accounts and just side load them.

[tammy1986d]

In response to this statement:"You wouldn't lend a printed book to a total stranger on the other side of the country" Yes I would and so do thousands of other people.  I belong to a book swaping club called paperbackswap.com and that is exactly what  we do is swap paperback book with other people around the country. There are a lot of these paper back swap sights out there. Just sayin  

[KingAl]

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tammy1986d wrote:

In response to this statement:"You wouldn't lend a printed book to a total stranger on the other side of the country" Yes I would and so do thousands of other people.  I belong to a book swaping club called paperbackswap.com and that is exactly what  we do is swap paperback book with other people around the country. There are a lot of these paper back swap sights out there. Just sayin  

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But when you lend a paper book, you take the chance of the book not being returned or of it being damaged. When you lend an ebook, the book will automatically come back in the same "condition" it was in before.

[bklvr896]

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KingAl wrote:

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tammy1986d wrote:

In response to this statement:"You wouldn't lend a printed book to a total stranger on the other side of the country" Yes I would and so do thousands of other people.  I belong to a book swaping club called paperbackswap.com and that is exactly what  we do is swap paperback book with other people around the country. There are a lot of these paper back swap sights out there. Just sayin  

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But when you lend a paper book, you take the chance of the book not being returned or of it being damaged. When you lend an ebook, the book will automatically come back in the same "condition" it was in before.

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Not to mention, at some point, paper books have a limited lending life.  At some point, a paper book will fall apart.  An ebook will technically last forever.

[ProfReader]

Also you don't own ebooks so the rules are not the same.

[JenScheil]

I have been a proud Nook owner for geez at least 4 years now...and I have actually never used the "Lend Me" program.  My husband, sister, Mom, friends and I just sideload books. The way I see it my CC can get hacked from anywhere, so if I can't trust those closet to me then what's the point! :-) On a side note, while I do understand and acknowledge that we do not "own" electronic books; I do believe that publishers should NOT be asking consumers to pay close to OR the same amount as a paperback. To me that is just splitting hairs and pissing people off. No you don't own the book, so you cannot do what you want with it, yet we are still charging you the same or maybe a couple bucks less than a hardcopy....But as someone said in an earlier post Money is what drives the world, not good intentions.

While I do understand everyones frustrations, bc I have felt some myself. Learn the work-arounds and I promise you will be a happy camper :-)

[ProfReader]

Exactly, alot of people want to waste time complaining instead of finding work arounds. By Barnes and Noble using this social drm affords us a simple way of sharing our books with those we trust.

[KingAl]

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JenScheil wrote:

I do believe that publishers should NOT be asking consumers to pay close to OR the same amount as a paperback. To me that is just splitting hairs and pissing people off.

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If people are willing to pay, why shouldn't they? There are more than enough people willing to pay for the publishers to ignore the pissed off people.

[JenScheil]

If you are going to cut and past my comments do so correctly. I also stated that money drives everything (it was the next sentence). So obviously by that logic nothing will change since there are people who do not care about the prices and such. Thank you.

[KingAl]

Not quite. There are definitely people who care about the price, just not enough of them.

[keriflur]

Most people care about price, they just don't all set their limits in the same place.

IMO not enough people care about the work that goes into making a book, and what that's really worth.

[patgolfneb]

Keriflur, I guess that explains the pet rock fad of yesteryear!

[Nallia Distinguished Bibliophile]

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keriflur wrote:

Most people care about price, they just don't all set their limits in the same place.

IMO not enough people care about the work that goes into making a book, and what that's really worth.

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I think that's true.  It's also true that some tags are worth more to some people.  Books happen to be something that's worth more to me than many other things, so I'm willing to spend $30 on a hardcover or $15 on an ebook if it's a book I truly want. I was this way even when I made $17,000 a year, many, many years ago.  Because books are so important to me, they often have a higher priority than some things for me--like clothes and shoes, which I tend to only buy when I absolutely need them.  And since I reread--a lot--I like to keep my books, so I don't borrow from the library often.

I have found myself going back to buying more paper books than ebooks--not because of the prices, but because I take great joy in seeing them displayed on my bookshelves.  But my print books mean more to me than my ebooks (though I know that has this'll to do with this discussion heh).

Everyone has their priorities, and I respect that. To many, books aren't as important as they are to me.  And that's OK.  But I am really tired of some of those people proclaiming that those of us who do make them a priority, and are willing to spend more on them, must be somehow defective.

[patgolfneb]

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keriflur wrote:

Most people care about price, they just don't all set their limits in the same place.

IMO not enough people care about the work that goes into making a book, and what that's really worth.

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I don't agree that people don't care about the work invested.  I think the authors contribution especially is appreciated. The perceived value of a product or book varies significantly depending on the purchasers values, priorities and ability to pay. Many types of professions including the arts are undervalued. Many I would say or overvalued or over compensated when the actual contribution is considered.

Bottom line we have an economic system that establishes value for the seller in ways that don't really make sense. For books I would say that the non author part of the cost structure is a part I probably am skeptical of.  I believe there is a lot of hard work going on, but the system seems impervious to modern practices.  I would certainly sign on to the idea that authors should receive a bigger piece of the selling price.Authors are the ones who must drive this change not purchasers.

[TinaBertucci]

This is very dicouraging to me.  Is this the policy of Ibooks and Kindle books too?  I have many, many Nook books, but if this is the policy of Barnes and Noble I will quit purchasing from them immediately.  I paid for the ebook and if I want to lend it to my spouse or children I should be able to do so.  If this is the policy of publishers I may as well buy the book then and forget about ebooks.  The only reason I buy them is becaue they don't take up as much room on my bookshelves at home.

[patgolfneb]

Yes, this is publisher controlled. Almost none of the mainline publishers participate in the lend me feature. It still remains a good way to share independent or books from lesser known authors and publishers.

[kamas716]

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TinaBertucci wrote:

This is very dicouraging to me.  Is this the policy of Ibooks and Kindle books too?  I have many, many Nook books, but if this is the policy of Barnes and Noble I will quit purchasing from them immediately.  I paid for the ebook and if I want to lend it to my spouse or children I should be able to do so.  If this is the policy of publishers I may as well buy the book then and forget about ebooks.  The only reason I buy them is becaue they don't take up as much room on my bookshelves at home.

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LendMe is controlled by the publishers, not the vendors.  If you "purchased" from B&N, then you can legally lend your eBooks to as many people as you are willing to give (or enter yourself) the account name and credit card number to unlock the DRM of the book.  If you are wanting to lend eBooks, B&N is, at least right now, probably your best option.