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02-10-2011 09:58 PM
Thanks for the tip, I printed those instructions. I assume there is a way to do this when we're separated by half a country? just moving docs into My documents, then email the pdf files? I'll look into this, thanks again.
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02-10-2011 10:09 PM
jaylady wrote:I assume there is a way to do this when we're separated by half a country? just moving docs into My documents, then email the pdf files? I'll look into this, thanks again.
My sister is only two states away and not half a country but we e-mail the epubs to each other. They generally are small so it isn't a problem. I generally find it easiest to download the book in question from the B&N website digital locker and e-mail the file from there. When my sister visited me, we put our info in on each other's Nook, and we had to redo that after the 1.5 update but we've been sharing ever since, and mostly me because she doesn't buy as many.
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02-11-2011 12:02 PM
NikiGunn wrote:
jaylady wrote:I assume there is a way to do this when we're separated by half a country? just moving docs into My documents, then email the pdf files? I'll look into this, thanks again.
My sister is only two states away and not half a country but we e-mail the epubs to each other. They generally are small so it isn't a problem. I generally find it easiest to download the book in question from the B&N website digital locker and e-mail the file from there. When my sister visited me, we put our info in on each other's Nook, and we had to redo that after the 1.5 update but we've been sharing ever since, and mostly me because she doesn't buy as many.
I just log into my husband's BN account and download to my lap top right from there.
LisaB
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02-12-2011 01:59 PM
Lisa, can you elaborate? So you log on under his account, buy a book, download it to your laptop, then copy the file from the laptop to the Nook's "My Documents" (or whatever it's called) folder? Are you prompted for his password when you open it?
I just log into my husband's BN account and download to my lap top right from there.
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02-12-2011 03:12 PM
Aren't lendme books only available for a week and only to one person? How would that lose them sales? Not a lot of people can read a book in a week (I know I'm often stressed trying to finish a book in the library's 21-day window). If anything, they're gaining a sale because the person will possibly want to finish the book and buy it himself, or he'll want to buy more books by the same author, etc.
Many authors give away the first book in a series for free or extremely reduced prices, which is much more extreme than lending a book for a week. If the book's good, the author gains customers who buy the following books in the series, thus making up for the initial loss. The first books in Amanda Hocking's series are 99 cents, the rest are 2.99. I've bought them all. I wouldn't have bought any if I hadn't been enticed by the 99 cent price point of that first book.
I personally don't think the publishers pulling the Lend Me option is any big loss. It was more than a mediocre offering to begin with. It really angers me that they are so controlling in books that we pay for. It also irks me that an ebook purchase is considered to be only a license and not a straight up transfer of ownership.
Sorry if this has all already been said in this thread (probably has). I got through the first page before my need to type took over.
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02-12-2011 03:42 PM - edited 02-12-2011 03:43 PM
@ yoshipumkin,
LendMe books are a one-time lend and, I agree with you, a mediocre offering.
But, and I could be wrong, when you buy software, do you not buy the license for it and not the "straight up ownership" of it?
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02-12-2011 04:57 PM
Josienjoe wrote:@ yoshipumkin,
LendMe books are a one-time lend and, I agree with you, a mediocre offering.
But, and I could be wrong, when you buy software, do you not buy the license for it and not the "straight up ownership" of it?
No, you own it. Like pc games, you can resell them
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02-12-2011 09:01 PM
I think LendMe is for 14 days. So you have 2 weeks to finish the book.
Did anyone answer a question posted earlier, about what happens if a book has already been 'lent' when the publisher pulls the plug? Does the loaned e-book just disappear from the borrower's Nook? Or is the borrower allowed to finish the 14-day loan period?
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02-12-2011 11:17 PM
Theriot_Publishing wrote:
Josienjoe wrote:@ yoshipumkin,
LendMe books are a one-time lend and, I agree with you, a mediocre offering.
But, and I could be wrong, when you buy software, do you not buy the license for it and not the "straight up ownership" of it?
No, you own it. Like pc games, you can resell them
While that may be true now (haven't checked), back in the days when software was copy protected, you only bought the license. Hopefully publishers will eliminate DRM on ebooks and we will finally own them.
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02-14-2011 12:48 PM
jaylady wrote:Lisa, can you elaborate? So you log on under his account, buy a book, download it to your laptop, then copy the file from the laptop to the Nook's "My Documents" (or whatever it's called) folder? Are you prompted for his password when you open it?
I just log into my husband's BN account and download to my lap top right from there.
Yes, I log in as him, download to my PC, copy to the "My Documents" folder on my NOOK. The first time I opened a book from his account it asked for the CC info (his name and number), and after that never again. I do the same with my daughter's account. We all share in this way. It is great! Seems like it is better than the "LendMe" feature, even if it IS a Lend Me book.
LisaB
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02-15-2011 12:19 PM
Great, thank you so much!
If anyone is interested...two articles were published in the Wall Street Journal the past week about the many reasons that Borders must file for bankruptcy and the effect that store closings might have on e-book sales and online sales.
I sent an email to the WSJ reporters about this LendMe issue, pointing out that the e-book industry is suffering from growing pains. I hope that one of those reporters investigates the issue and pubilshes a follow-up article about LendMe.
One excellent point made in today's article: "..what will be published in the future will have less to do with what bookstores carry and more to do with what readers tell each other about new books."
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02-24-2011 11:11 AM
So, someone tell me when the publishers are going to put something on actual books so we can't lend them either! This is just stupid to me - whenever I've bought a hard copy book, I've lent it to tons of people. I should be able to do the same bloody thing with a digital book!
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02-24-2011 11:15 AM
JWander wrote:So, someone tell me when the publishers are going to put something on actual books so we can't lend them either!
If they can figure out how to do that, I'm sure they will.
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02-24-2011 11:31 AM
JWander wrote:
someone tell me when the publishers are going to put something on actual books so we can't lend them either!
They did in the old days, and Congress passed a law that said that they couldn't: 17 USC 109(a), commonly known as "First Sale". Congress hasn't passed any equivalent law for e-books.
Also, the existing First Sale doctrine is under fire. In two court cases unrelated to books, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that First Sale doesn't apply in certain cases. In Omega v. Costco, the court ruled that copies made outside of the US aren't eligible for First Sale protection, and in Vernor v. Autodesk, the court ruled that a shrinkwrap End User License Agreement (EULA) that forbids resale overrides the statutory First Sale permissions.
So don't be surprised if publishers start having books printed outside the US, and enclosing them in a shrinkwrap with a EULA that forbids lending or transfer of ownership.
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whenever I've bought a hard copy book, I've lent it to tons of people. I should be able to do the same bloody thing with a digital book!
You can: just lend them your NOOK with the e-book on it.
The difference is that with a book, you're lending your copy of the book. What you're asking for is the permission to make a new copy for someone else, and the point of copyright law is to give the copyright holder control over who, if anyone, is permitted to make copies of the work. And that list probably doesn't include you.
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02-24-2011 02:09 PM
Doug_Pardee wrote:So don't be surprised if publishers start having books printed outside the US, and enclosing them in a shrinkwrap with a EULA that forbids lending or transfer of ownership.
If this happens, this will be one of the most ignored (and most unenforceable) laws in history.
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02-24-2011 02:41 PM
KingAl wrote:
If this happens, this will be one of the most ignored (and most unenforceable) laws in history.
For private transactions between individuals, yeah. But it would mean the end of used-book stores and lending libraries.
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02-24-2011 04:59 PM
Doug_Pardee wrote:KingAl wrote:
If this happens, this will be one of the most ignored (and most unenforceable) laws in history.
For private transactions between individuals, yeah. But it would mean the end of used-book stores and lending libraries.
Good point. However, the political pressure would be enormous to include exemptions for public libraries (and possibly used book stores.)
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02-24-2011 05:13 PM
Speaking about shrinkwrapped EULAs, wasn't there a court case where the plaintiff argued that they were invalid because you couldn't read them before purchasing the product?
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02-24-2011 06:16 PM
KingAl wrote:
the political pressure would be enormous to include exemptions for public libraries
I'm not at all as sanguine about that. The political pressure has generally been to close public libraries to save tax money. The Free Library of Philadelphia (famous on these boards) came within about a week of being closed permanently on October 2, 2009 because the state of Pennsylvania decided it could no longer afford to contribute to keeping the library open. This year, Camden NJ gave up on its public libraries, closing two of them and turning the third one over to the county. Troy MI will be closing its public libraries this May 1st. These are, for now, isolated incidents. But they suggest that politicians, and their financial supporters, might not put much value on public libraries.
Many libraries are reporting that books are becoming a minor part of their service, anyway. They're transforming into computer/Internet centers for the technologically disenfranchised. For folks who don't have much political pull, that is.
Opinion: I think that ALA should quit its stupid annual "Banned Books" program and concentrate on keeping libraries funded, keeping book loaning possible, and getting laws passed to force publishers to allow ebook loaning.
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02-24-2011 09:58 PM
KingAl wrote:Speaking about shrinkwrapped EULAs, wasn't there a court case where the plaintiff argued that they were invalid because you couldn't read them before purchasing the product?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_user_license_agre
There were many such cases. Sometimes that defense was accepted; other times it wasn't.