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Re: Nook book prices higher than other ebooks.


PeterDe wrote:

I guess a server costs a lot more than the monthly rent, utilities and payroll of a single brick and motor store. :smileywink:


What do brick and mortar stores have to do with comparing e-book prices?  I must be missing something here.

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Re: Nook book prices higher than other ebooks.

Running the Rift by Naomi Benaron.  $16.71 at B&N, $9.48 at Amazon.

 

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Re: Nook book prices higher than other ebooks.


sub_rosa wrote:

Running the Rift by Naomi Benaron.  $16.71 at B&N, $9.48 at Amazon.

 

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I was reading the Area 51 series and bought the first 5 of the 9 books from B&N. Then B&N raised their price, so I bought the last 4 from Amazon and added the Kindle app to my phone. I discovered that not only did I save money buying the Kindle version, but the formatting of the Kindle version was much better than the Nook version. The Nook version would have vastly different sized fonts for no apparent reason scattered throughout the books. Since I have been reading entirely on my phone, I see no reason to buy from B&N any longer, unless perhaps it is a scientific book.

 

The reason for the scientific book exception is because I have some Nook books on relatively and astronomy, with formulas and drawings. The reviews on at least one of those books on Amazon was poor because the formulas were unintelligible. They are fine on the Nook version. In addition, some of these are best read on a larger screen because of drawings and formulas. Since I don't want to buy a Kindle reader, I will likely buy this type of book from B&N or read the Kindle version on my computer.

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RHWright wrote:

 

B&N operates on tight margins and has little ability to run loss leaders like Amazon.


In a Wall Street Journal article today, an analyst for Forrester Research is quoted as saying, "Wal-Mart and Target are willing to sell a few things at a loss. Amazon's whole business is a loss leader."

 

 

[The article is entitled "Showdown Over Showrooming," and is about Target putting pressure on its suppliers to help them stop people from browsing at Target and buying from Amazon.]

 

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Jerry Pournelle and other authors who understand the costs of publishing have written many times that the actual costs for printing and distribution of DTBs are minimal.  Jerry has even broken down the cost of one of his books from cover price to what he actually earns.  Jerry supports ebooks but has pointed out the fallacies in the notion they should cost substantially less -- even while vigorously supporting the Baen Free Library concept.  I'd like to know why PeterDe and others think they have a better handle on what ebooks should cost than Jerry does.

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Re: Nook book prices higher than other ebooks.

At some point when I worked in book retail, some trainer broke down the numbers on how much of a book's cover price went where: publishers (cost of goods), rent, payroll, etc. I don't remember the exact breakdown, but by the end only a few pennies were left for profit.

 

I'm sure publishers have similar breakdowns of where their money goes, and I'm sure a small percentage is for the physical components of DTBs. If they are a for-profit company, there is bound to be pressure to maximize their profit while controlling costs. That's basic business.

 

And part of the equation to remember is that the whole operation, as an aggregate of all their titles and format lines needs to be profitable. The market seem to bear a bigger profit for them (for now) on ebook titles. I'm OK with that. It means they can keep more mid- and backlist titles in print and afford to bring them out in ebook, too. It means more chances for new or slower selling authors.

 

Do I think some publishers, some times, may be getting a little greedy? Sure. The $13-$15 prices on some backlist is a bit much. But when I can get the majority of titles I want for $10 or less, I'll bide my time on those titles til the market shakes out a bit more.

 

And it will. Remember when DVDs first came out and studios put out any old VHS master in the new format for big price? Eventually the market adjusted, prices went down and studios realized they had to remaster, provide new extras, etc. if they expected premium prices. The plain jane releases dropped to the point where you can pick them up for $5-10 bucks now. I wouldn't be surprised if ebooks follow a similar trajectory.

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Re: Nook book prices higher than other ebooks.

It seem that my little stalker is a little ignorant of the facts here. I found this quote from the famous Jerry Pournelle, "Publisher costs for ebooks cannot be as high as for actual physical books that have to be printed and shipped. Editorial costs are the same. Authors get a fixed percent of the cover price of a book (in most trade book contracts; computer books pay on a more exotic basis reminiscent of movie contracts). Thus the lower the price the publisher charges for an ebook, the less it costs publishers (hard cheese on authors, of course)."

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PeterDe wrote:

It seem that my little stalker is a little ignorant of the facts here. I found this quote from the famous Jerry Pournelle, "Publisher costs for ebooks cannot be as high as for actual physical books that have to be printed and shipped. Editorial costs are the same. Authors get a fixed percent of the cover price of a book (in most trade book contracts; computer books pay on a more exotic basis reminiscent of movie contracts). Thus the lower the price the publisher charges for an ebook, the less it costs publishers (hard cheese on authors, of course)."


The bolded line confuses me.  It implies that there's no such thing as the influence of market demand on price, and thus goes against one of the basic theories of free market economics.

 

The fact is that if book A and book B cost the same to produce, but there is a known higher demand for book B, the publisher can and often will charge more for book B.

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Re: Nook book prices higher than other ebooks.


PeterDe wrote:

It seem that my little stalker is a little ignorant of the facts here. I found this quote from the famous Jerry Pournelle, "Publisher costs for ebooks cannot be as high as for actual physical books that have to be printed and shipped. Editorial costs are the same. Authors get a fixed percent of the cover price of a book (in most trade book contracts; computer books pay on a more exotic basis reminiscent of movie contracts). Thus the lower the price the publisher charges for an ebook, the less it costs publishers (hard cheese on authors, of course)."


Of course if Jerry Pournelle says it then it must be true, all others who disagree with him notwithstanding.  The internet is a wonderful place.  You can always find someone who agrees with you.

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AlanNJ wrote:
 The internet is a wonderful place.  You can always find someone who agrees with you.

Yup. Even in this very thread. Imagine that. And someone who disagrees.

 

Seriously, folks, there's already been a lot of exaggeration and unverified opinion posted here. Now it's beginning to degenerate into personal attacks. Let's all take a deep breath and decide to be more civil.

 

I'd be very interested to see a reputable, detailed, side-by-side comparison of ebook costs and profits compared to printed books. But opinions and assertions not backed by verifiable sources are just a waste of time. And personal attacks aren't going to convince anyone.

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I have found many ebooks to be more expensive from B&N compared to Amazon, sometimes as much as almost double the price.  Hunger Games trilogy, James Herriot collection, Whatever You Do Don't Run, and Runt are just a few (James Herriot collection was about $12 from Amazon and $20 from B&N, Whatever You Do Don't Run was about $10 from B&N and about $6 from Amazon).  If B&N doesn't get their act together and start charging decent prices for ebooks, they are going to lose business.  I have already purchased the Hunger Games trilogy from Amazon (I have an ipad, so I can easily download Kindle books to read) and will probably purchase the other books mentioned through Amazon as well because I just can't afford B&N's prices!

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End This Depression Now! by Paul Krugman (Publication date April 30,2012) prices:

 

B&N                                  Amazon

Nook         - $16.71          Kindle      -$ 9.99

Hardcover-   $17.70          Hardcover -$16.47 

 

Even if B&N has costs that Amazon dosn't have, they will not be covered if B&N sales are zero.

 

 

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HJW wrote:

End This Depression Now! by Paul Krugman (Publication date April 30,2012) prices:

 

B&N                                  Amazon

Nook         - $16.71          Kindle      -$ 9.99

Hardcover-   $17.70          Hardcover -$16.47 

 

Even if B&N has costs that Amazon dosn't have, they will not be covered if B&N sales are zero.

 


I have sometimes found the predicted prices of unpublished books to vary considerably from the pricing once the book actually comes out.

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Re: Nook book prices higher than other ebooks.


HJW wrote:

End This Depression Now! by Paul Krugman (Publication date April 30,2012) prices:

 

 

Yes, please.  Winking

 

Really, just kidding, ... but am I?  Thinking

 

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HJW wrote:

End This Depression Now! by Paul Krugman (Publication date April 30,2012) prices:

 

B&N                                  Amazon

Nook         - $16.71          Kindle      -$ 9.99

Hardcover-   $17.70          Hardcover -$16.47 

 

Even if B&N has costs that Amazon dosn't have, they will not be covered if B&N sales are zero.

 

 


The digital list price is $24.95. I'd guess Amazon is losing about $2.50 per copy at that price. Another curious thing, Amazon indicates the delivery date is April 23rd and the announced delivery date is April 30th. A mistake or on purpose, take your pick.

 

Edit: I just noticed...the hardcover has a 4/30 publication date and the Kindle has 4/23 pub. date. Interesting.

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Tim40744 wrote:

HJW wrote:

End This Depression Now! by Paul Krugman (Publication date April 30,2012) prices:

 

B&N                                  Amazon

Nook         - $16.71          Kindle      -$ 9.99

Hardcover-   $17.70          Hardcover -$16.47 

 

Even if B&N has costs that Amazon dosn't have, they will not be covered if B&N sales are zero.

 

 


The digital list price is $24.95. I'd guess Amazon is losing about $2.50 per copy at that price. Another curious thing, Amazon indicates the delivery date is April 23rd and the announced delivery date is April 30th. A mistake or on purpose, take your pick.

 

Edit: I just noticed...the hardcover has a 4/30 publication date and the Kindle has 4/23 pub. date. Interesting.


These may come into alignment as we get closer to the release date.

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HJW wrote:

End This Depression Now! by Paul Krugman (Publication date April 30,2012) prices:

 

B&N                                  Amazon

Nook         - $16.71          Kindle      -$ 9.99

Hardcover-   $17.70          Hardcover -$16.47 

 

Even if B&N has costs that Amazon dosn't have, they will not be covered if B&N sales are zero.

 

 


Well, anyone that would waste money on something by Krugman probably deserves to pay as much as possible anyway so as to spur the secondary economy.  :smileywink:

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