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02-24-2011 05:02 PM
Publishers (one in particular) force Overdrive to change public library lending.
Interesting Mobileread thread:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=
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02-24-2011 06:12 PM
So (by my reading) it looks like the highlights are:
1. They (this one unnamed publisher that will surly be joined by others) are going to give each library e-book a shelf life. Just as a paper copy will eventually wear out and need to be repurchased, they are going to set an arbitrary number of lends an e-book can have before it is lost to the library.
2. They don't like people from all over the place being able to get library cards from a library to which they don't have a direct link (live, work, school) and will try to find a way to limit library scope of membership for e-book lending.
3. They don't want libraries joining large consortia and thereby lmiting the number of copies bought (for example) state wide to just a consoria wide purchase.
4. This will not affect audio books, just e-books. Funny since the audio books I get from OverDrive are much less publisher friendly (they don't self expire, etc) than the e-books.
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02-24-2011 06:19 PM
ivondale wrote:3. They don't want libraries joining large consortia and thereby lmiting the number of copies bought (for example) state wide to just a consoria wide purchase.
They can't do this now.
Each library that intends to offer the ebook must purchase a separate license agreement for each copy of the book. These agreements are high-dollar since the books are intended to be lent out multiple times, versus a single-user purchase. A library might pay something like $20 to license a book that only cost me 99 cents.
And that is also per copy. If they want to have 5 copies of a book for lending, then they have to purchase 5 separate licensing agreements. And the agreements are only good for THAT library.
E-books cannot be recirculated via inter-library loan like books can.
This is why many smaller libraries do not participate in a digital media program. The costs are to much for what little funding they receive.
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02-24-2011 07:11 PM
My family uses the library a LOT, for both DTB's and e-books. This is so irritating, Have publishers not learned anything from the music industry? They can be consumer friendly, and profitable and let us use the technology we want to use their product.
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02-24-2011 07:42 PM
My initial Google search does not show any sources for this except the MobileReads thread cited above, and the original poster of the MobileReads thread has no prior posts on MobileReads.
I'm not saying that this isn't true, mind you, only that I have not been able to confirm it yet. So I'm reserving any reaction / handwringing for now.
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02-24-2011 08:19 PM
If it's on the internet it must be true.
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02-24-2011 08:26 PM
Desert_Brat wrote:
ivondale wrote:3. They don't want libraries joining large consortia and thereby lmiting the number of copies bought (for example) state wide to just a consoria wide purchase.
They can't do this now.
Each library that intends to offer the ebook must purchase a separate license agreement for each copy of the book. These agreements are high-dollar since the books are intended to be lent out multiple times, versus a single-user purchase. A library might pay something like $20 to license a book that only cost me 99 cents.
And that is also per copy. If they want to have 5 copies of a book for lending, then they have to purchase 5 separate licensing agreements. And the agreements are only good for THAT library.
E-books cannot be recirculated via inter-library loan like books can.
This is why many smaller libraries do not participate in a digital media program. The costs are to much for what little funding they receive.
I have a library card to one library that is a member of the digital library consortium. I've never run into an issue where a book in the consortium was avialable to me when I input my library card.
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02-24-2011 09:24 PM
bklvr896 wrote:I have a library card to one library that is a member of the digital library consortium. I've never run into an issue where a book in the consortium was avialable to me when I input my library card.
I think what you are referring to is the branch library consortium, but I'm not sure.
For instance, I have a library card with the only library in our state to offer digital media. This library has 6 branches.
If I cannot locate an e-book at the main library, I can check to see if it is available at one of the branch sites and check it out using my main library card.
But each branch site has its own digital edition of a book, it's not something they are borrowing through the main library site. And not all branch sites carry the same books.
It's confusing, and I just wish the publishers would quit screwing with it.
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02-24-2011 09:41 PM
Well this is no great shock. The publishers have been refusing to permit certain books to be sold to libraries. The entire digital industry as far as ebooks are concerned are a disgrace. Retailers bend over for publishers. Publishers bully authors. Retailers provide virtually no customer service.
Talk about no respect for the consumer.
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02-24-2011 09:49 PM
Desert_Brat wrote:
I think what you are referring to is the branch library consortium, but I'm not sure.
For instance, I have a library card with the only library in our state to offer digital media. This library has 6 branches.
If I cannot locate an e-book at the main library, I can check to see if it is available at one of the branch sites and check it out using my main library card.
But each branch site has its own digital edition of a book, it's not something they are borrowing through the main library site. And not all branch sites carry the same books.
It's confusing, and I just wish the publishers would quit screwing with it.
Our county library system has about 16 braches (maybe 17, I can't remember). You get a library card for the branch where you live or you can get a card for the main county branch (I think they call it the distrcit library). If you get a card for the main county branch it can be used at all the participating branch libraries. Each branch library has separate books though they share a main online catalogue that lists where each book is located. You can request dtb from one library to be taken to "your" local branch to check it out. But all the libraries in the county share ebooks. Each site does not have its own ebooks. The district library has the ebooks and anyone with a card for any library in the county can check them out. I happen to have a card to the main branch instead of the town library because that's the library I spend the most time at.
Also because PA has a reciprocal library agreement anyone with a PA library card can get a library card at any other library in PA to check out books. All you need to do is show them your PA library card. There are, I think, actually 2 libraries in the whole state that don't participate in the reciprocal agreement, though I'm not sure their reasoning behind this.
If this new agreement between Overdrive and this publisher is true, I hope it doesn't somehow negate PA's reciprocal agreement with other PA libraries. Or screw up our county ebook system, because most of our county libraries cannot afford to buy their own ebook copies.
I haven't been able to find any evidence for this new Overdrive policy, other than 1 post on Mobilereads that doesn't actually offer evidence.
Fran
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02-24-2011 10:39 PM
Desert_Brat wrote:
bklvr896 wrote:I have a library card to one library that is a member of the digital library consortium. I've never run into an issue where a book in the consortium was avialable to me when I input my library card.
I think what you are referring to is the branch library consortium, but I'm not sure.
For instance, I have a library card with the only library in our state to offer digital media. This library has 6 branches.
If I cannot locate an e-book at the main library, I can check to see if it is available at one of the branch sites and check it out using my main library card.
But each branch site has its own digital edition of a book, it's not something they are borrowing through the main library site. And not all branch sites carry the same books.
It's confusing, and I just wish the publishers would quit screwing with it.
I know which consortia bklvr is speaking of and it is a true consortium of different city libraries, these are not branches within a city or county system but a membership of different cities that each have their own library that decided to work together.
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02-24-2011 11:02 PM
FrogAlum wrote:
Desert_Brat wrote:
bklvr896 wrote:I have a library card to one library that is a member of the digital library consortium. I've never run into an issue where a book in the consortium was avialable to me when I input my library card.
I think what you are referring to is the branch library consortium, but I'm not sure.
For instance, I have a library card with the only library in our state to offer digital media. This library has 6 branches.
If I cannot locate an e-book at the main library, I can check to see if it is available at one of the branch sites and check it out using my main library card.
But each branch site has its own digital edition of a book, it's not something they are borrowing through the main library site. And not all branch sites carry the same books.
It's confusing, and I just wish the publishers would quit screwing with it.
I know which consortia bklvr is speaking of and it is a true consortium of different city libraries, these are not branches within a city or county system but a membership of different cities that each have their own library that decided to work together.
Thanks Frog and welcome back. And yes, it is a consortium of various city libraries that have no affliation with each other than the digital consortium.
And the county libraries I have access to have multiple branches, but there is only one digital library for the entire county. When I search for a book via overdrive it may show it at multiple branches, but it doesn't matter which one I click on, it takes me to the same site with the same waiting period. Because it's one library with number of buildings. If I go directly to the library site, I search for the book and it doesn't show me there's a copy at branch A or Branch B, like it would for physical books, it just shows me what is available.
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02-25-2011 01:43 AM
geertm wrote:Publishers (one in particular) force Overdrive to change public library lending.
Interesting Mobileread thread:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=
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If you scroll down to the bottom of page 2 of this thread, a post by Giggleton 2/25/11 at 1:05 AM (probably Eastern) has an attachment of a letter from Overdrive to libraries which states the same things the thread is talking about. At first glance, it appears to be genuine.
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02-25-2011 03:55 AM
FrogAlum wrote:I know which consortia bklvr is speaking of and it is a true consortium of different city libraries, these are not branches within a city or county system but a membership of different cities that each have their own library that decided to work together.
I'm getting the distinct feeling that this sort of thing may very well differ between libraries and their various systems from state to state. And probably is just as contingent on their funding. I've seen libraries set up in some strange places due to lack of funding, when the village didn't want to give up the library. All of our bookmobile routes have been cut, too, for lack of funding from the state library system.
My little local library doesn't participate in the Overdrive program because it's too costly. Maybe one of these days we can get another bond issue passed, but not likely in this economy. But it is a good little library. The university library here also does not participate in Overdrive, even for the students, for the same reason.
I guess in my perfect little dream world, libraries and readers alike would want for nothing.
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02-25-2011 12:55 PM
For years many different library systems have banded together to form consortiums for all sorts of purposes. My library has belonged to one that shared a common computer that runs our circulation system for over 20 years. We also belong to one that consists of library systems that can afford to offer ebooks to their patrons. These ebooks subscriptions through Overdrive are VERY expensive. Only the largest & best funded (ha ha) libraries can afford to go it on their own. The libraries in this country are not receiving funding increases. In fact, most receive cuts every year while things like utilities and insurance continue to rise. If a library is going to offer ebooks to their patrons they will have to cut back somewhere. The only place will be DTBs. As a librarian, I think this is fine. If my patrons want books in other formats I will get it for them just like I have gotten them books on tape, books on CD, downloadable audiobooks, etc.
This deal by the publishers makes me so angry. I personally have SOLD many copies of Unbroken because of my recommendations. People check it out of the library and then go on to BUY copies for gifts for friends and family. This happens all the time. Patrons always ask us for recommendations for gifts. Publishers don't understand that at all. If they fool around with libraries too much they will lose a lot of business because we can not play games. We just don't have the money or the time. If they raise prices we can't play. We will not order anything. We will be open and circulate the books we have. It is just that simple. We are not like normal businesses with lawyers on staff and backgrounds in espionage and shady deals. We are the public library. We beg and beg for funding from people who are rich & can afford to buy whatever book they want. Legislators never darken the door of the public library to actually borrow an item. They have no idea what it is like not to have a computer at home or to not be able to afford the newspaper or to have to borrow a book from the library because you can't afford to buy it.
If this comes to pass it is VERY bad news for libraries and ebook readers. You will have to buy everything you read. Might as well get a kindle!
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02-25-2011 01:00 PM
I did notice something new in Overdrive yesterday. A brand-new ebook was listed with x number of times it could be lent (something like 25 or 28). I thought it was a little odd and wondered if publishers were changing things up.
The notice that it could only be lent a certain number of times kept me from checking out the book. I wasn't sure I would like it, and I didn't want to "use up" the chances it could be read if I didn't like it.
(It was a young adult title, and I found it by looking for "new books added to site.")
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02-25-2011 01:16 PM
Beth_DeEtt wrote:My initial Google search does not show any sources for this except the MobileReads thread cited above, and the original poster of the MobileReads thread has no prior posts on MobileReads.
I'm not saying that this isn't true, mind you, only that I have not been able to confirm it yet. So I'm reserving any reaction / handwringing for now.
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14
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02-25-2011 01:24 PM
Just found this information. It is true. Harper Collins seems to be the publisher.
http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/889452-264/h
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02-25-2011 02:23 PM
You can also write to the publisher...maybe if enough negative response was generated...I can't understand these guys at all...I mean it's like the want us to ebrace the darkside (when most want to actually pay a reasonalble price).
I have gotten books from the library that I found out that I wanted, and then have sought them out to own...I really think they are shooting themselves in the foot...and I'm getting kinda pessimistic right now (and I'm usually an optimist) so I need to stop myself...
"Where there is love, there is life." ~Ghandi
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02-25-2011 03:52 PM
Many thanks to javabird and geertm for the links. ![]()
I really wish publishers would realize that there are a great many of us who buy only books that we have either read ourselves or that readers whose opinions we trust have recommended. In my case, one of the readers I trust is the head librarian of our local library, who could probably retire now if only she had made a commission on every book she's "sold" over the years. It never fails to amaze me that publishers insist on an antagonistic relationship with the very institutions that strive to promote the culture of reading.
That said, I do wonder if the limited-lending model for most mass market works is as horrific an idea as it seems to be. I admit that I'm using a DTB example here, but, when a popular title is first published, our library often buys 5 - 10 copies in order to keep the waiting lists down to realistic levels. Then, a year or two later, a decision is made as to how many of the copies to keep in the permanent collection. The others end up in the "friends of the library" sale, where they are lucky to bring a price one-tenth that of their original cost. With this in mind, would it be so awful for a publisher to offer a tiered license system, with "limited" and "permanent" options?
In fact, since (except in the case of a modern classic) most books make the lion's share of their revenue soon after publication, wouldn't it actually make sense, from a publishers' standpoint, to offer the "limited" licenses first, and at a higher price, and then offer the "permanent" license later, when the book is going off list and/or libraries are adding to their permanent collections?
I know I'm playing the devil's advocate here. I would also be the first to offer the opinion that, in general, publishers would shoot themselves in the foot intentionally if they weren't being too shortsighted to take proper aim.
But I also have trouble just leaping on the "Oh noes! Publishers are teh ebil!" bandwagon.
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