Reply
Wordsmith
Sardonicus
Posts: 380
Registered: ‎05-11-2010
0 Kudos

Re: If you want something to die, let it.

Perhaps, Larry, you misunderstand the context of my remarks. If you believe levels of participation on these boards was even vaguely an issue, then you most certainly did.
The people who live in a golden age usually go around complaining how yellow everything looks.

- Randall Jarrell








Distinguished Scribe
Omnigeek
Posts: 903
Registered: ‎01-25-2011

Re: If you want something to die, let it.

The implication I got was that Ya_Ya was claiming participation was futile but adding to the din with continued commentary so Sardonicus was making a ... sardonic ... point.
Currently reading: Destiny of the Republic, Angel Fire East, Batman Year One, Appleseed
Wordsmith
Sardonicus
Posts: 380
Registered: ‎05-11-2010
0 Kudos

Re: If you want something to die, let it.

You are correct, sir.
The people who live in a golden age usually go around complaining how yellow everything looks.

- Randall Jarrell








Wordsmith
swan480
Posts: 303
Registered: ‎10-19-2006

Re: If only Gandhi could pen a Form Letter for us . . . ,


beeyebickiebuy wrote:

In Doug's free nook book thread, is it really necessary to post that a book is no longer free?  After all most folks:

 

  • Know that "free" is temporary.
  • Will see the price when they click or hover on the title or icon.
  • Have either already downloaded the free book or passed on it.

I am not sure what added value these posts have.


I think it's fine.  Doug himself frequently posted when books were no longer free.  It's helpful and polite and I'm sure there are people who appreciate it.

Distinguished Scribe
Ya_Ya
Posts: 3,334
Registered: ‎09-29-2010

Really? Helpful? Polite?

[ Edited ]

swan480 wrote:

I think it's fine.  Doug himself frequently posted when books were no longer free.  It's helpful and polite and I'm sure there are people who appreciate it.


So what Doug did or thought matters when you think it's worthwhile?

 

Edit:  I can't figure out how it's either helpful or polite, either.  Helpful?  When you hover over the book in the thread, you get a popup with the book's price.  If that's not $0.00, well, then it's "no longer free."

Distinguished Correspondent
javabird
Posts: 602
Registered: ‎03-13-2010

Re: If only Gandhi could pen a Form Letter for us . . . ,




Actually, when the thread first started annd the implied meaning was to post books that were free for a limitedtime so people would not miss them ( some books were only free for a few days), there were post staing when they were no longer free

That is also the reason that Doug didn't poet the "perennial" freebies. 

Wordsmith
Sardonicus
Posts: 380
Registered: ‎05-11-2010

The roses smell nice.

[ Edited ]

swan480 wrote:

 

 

I think it's fine.  Doug himself frequently posted when books were no longer free.  It's helpful and polite and I'm sure there are people who appreciate it.



I didn't read each and every post of that thread, yet I don't recall a single syllable of protest when Doug made note of books' freebie status.:smileyindifferent:  In fact, he occasionally made time and expended effort to post a detailed update of all recent freebies.

 

I did find it helpful to know the approximate length of freebie status and found it interesting to note the differences between publishers in that regard.   As with much of the knowledge shared by DP, it was a plus.

 

Considering recent dire and dour declarations of death assigned to Doug's thread, I - for one - am so pleased to see that participation continues that I am not put off by the 'no longer free' notices.  If that's as Off Topic as it gets, it's all good.:smileyhappy:

JMO, of course.

 

 

@ beeyebickiebuy:

 

Congrats! 

At the risk at jinxing your efforts, I note it appears that you ( & others) may have defeated the Angel of Death and prolonged the life of Doug's thread.  Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The people who live in a golden age usually go around complaining how yellow everything looks.

- Randall Jarrell








Inspired Wordsmith
beeyebickiebuy
Posts: 514
Registered: ‎03-21-2011
0 Kudos

Re: The roses smell nice.


Sardonicus wrote:
...

Considering recent dire and dour declarations of death assigned to Doug's thread, I - for one - am so pleased to see that participation continues that I am not put off by the 'no longer free' notices.  If that's as Off Topic as it gets, it's all good.:smileyhappy:

JMO, of course.

 ... 

 


Nor am I, as that is a small price to pay for the thread to survive.  I just brought it up for discussion to determine if I was the only one out here who did not see value in the "no longer free" notices.

 

Also, thanks for the kudos Sardonicus.  I hope that we all continue to work to keep Doug's valuable thread going.

Distinguished Scribe
Ya_Ya
Posts: 3,334
Registered: ‎09-29-2010
0 Kudos

You mean the zombie ones on the verge of dying again?

[ Edited ]

Sardonicus wrote:

I didn't read each and every post of that thread, yet I don't recall a single syllable of protest when Doug made note of books' freebie status.:smileyindifferent:  In fact, he occasionally made time and expended effort to post a detailed update of all recent freebies. 


:smileysurprised:  So you're saying someone can't possibly hold an opinion if they haven't expressed it?  I don't really think you mean that.

 

Most just probably figured [well, I maybe I can't say that.  I'll just say "I figured"] that since he devised the concept of the thread, created the thread, maintained the thread he had the right to do as he pleased in that thread.  If he thought it was in the spirit of the thread, it was - even if I didn't agree.  Much like Smashwords books.  :smileywink:

Wordsmith
Sardonicus
Posts: 380
Registered: ‎05-11-2010
0 Kudos

Have a nice day.


Ya_Ya wrote:
. . .  I don't really think you mean that.

 

Yet, you posted it anyway.:smileyindifferent:

Bless your heart.

 

The people who live in a golden age usually go around complaining how yellow everything looks.

- Randall Jarrell








Distinguished Scribe
Ya_Ya
Posts: 3,334
Registered: ‎09-29-2010
0 Kudos

Yes?

[ Edited ]

Sardonicus wrote:

 

Yet, you posted it anyway.:smileyindifferent: 


I have been known to be wrong.  :smileywink:  

 

Or are you suggesting that I'm infallible?  [I certainly wouldn't suggest this - but perhaps you are?]

Wordsmith
swan480
Posts: 303
Registered: ‎10-19-2006
0 Kudos

Re: Really? Helpful? Polite?

[ Edited ]

Ya_Ya wrote:

swan480 wrote:

I think it's fine.  Doug himself frequently posted when books were no longer free.  It's helpful and polite and I'm sure there are people who appreciate it.


So what Doug did or thought matters when you think it's worthwhile?

 

Edit:  I can't figure out how it's either helpful or polite, either.  Helpful?  When you hover over the book in the thread, you get a popup with the book's price.  If that's not $0.00, well, then it's "no longer free."


Sometimes the price you get when you hover differs from what you get when you bring up the product page, so yes, helpful.

 

Edit: Also, why are you attacking me for liking the way the thread ran when Doug was around?  Everyone's been screaming about wanting it back the way he had it, and then you jump my @$$ for pointing out that the newest complaint is about something he did, too?  He clearly thought those posts were worthwhile, and yes, I agree with him.

Inspired Wordsmith
Colleen_Rose
Posts: 313
Registered: ‎10-17-2010
0 Kudos

Re: Really? Helpful? Polite?

I guess this a good way  to keep the OT thread bumped, but the topic seems a little silly, IMO.

 

I love how I often feel like I am reading religous or legal debates.  Doug's words have come down from on high and we debate the meaning, intention, etc :smileyvery-happy::smileyhappy::smileyvery-happy:

Colleen

Optimist: Someone who isn't sure whether life is a tragedy or a comedy but is tickled silly just to be in the play. ~Robert Brault
Inspired Wordsmith
beeyebickiebuy
Posts: 514
Registered: ‎03-21-2011

Re: Really? Helpful? Polite?


Colleen_Rose wrote:

I guess this a good way  to keep the OT thread bumped, but the topic seems a little silly, IMO.

 

I love how I often feel like I am reading religous or legal debates.  Doug's words have come down from on high and we debate the meaning, intention, etc :smileyvery-happy::smileyhappy::smileyvery-happy:


From Doug 3:16 "Thou shalt not post free Smashwords nook books, unless you want to"  :smileywink: 

Distinguished Scribe
Ya_Ya
Posts: 3,334
Registered: ‎09-29-2010

Talking out of both sides of one's mouth?

[ Edited ]

swan480 wrote:
  Everyone's been screaming about wanting it back the way he had it, and then you jump my @$$ for pointing out that the newest complaint is about something he did, too?  He clearly thought those posts were worthwhile, and yes, I agree with him.

I didn't "jump your ___."  I was merely pointing out that you've had no use for "the way Doug did it" up to this point, even to the point of calling those who'd like things that way "rude."  All of a sudden something that someone else doesn't get is something you find valuable and your defense is "Doug did it???

 

You can't claim that "Doug did it" doesn't mean anything now and then cling to "Doug did it" as a justification.  :smileywink:

 

For the record, I didn't find any value when Doug did it - although I didn't complain about it - and I still don't.  I also don't see anyone here demanding that it stop, just two posters questioning its usefulness.  

Wordsmith
swan480
Posts: 303
Registered: ‎10-19-2006

Re: Really? Helpful? Polite?


beeyebickiebuy wrote:

Colleen_Rose wrote:

I guess this a good way  to keep the OT thread bumped, but the topic seems a little silly, IMO.

 

I love how I often feel like I am reading religous or legal debates.  Doug's words have come down from on high and we debate the meaning, intention, etc :smileyvery-happy::smileyhappy::smileyvery-happy:


From Doug 3:16 "Thou shalt not post free Smashwords nook books, unless you want to"  :smileywink: 


All humor aside, I was responding to what I thought was what people cared about.  Like I said, everyone keeps wishing the thread would go back to the way it was when Doug was doing it.  But even if everyone decided tomorrow that Doug was a false prophet and struck his Word from the record...  I'd still feel that posting "no longer free" posts were fine.  It goes along with my general philosophy of "live and let live."  Or we could hold hands and sing.  Takers?

Wordsmith
swan480
Posts: 303
Registered: ‎10-19-2006
0 Kudos

Re: Talking out of both sides of one's mouth?


Ya_Ya wrote:

swan480 wrote:
  Everyone's been screaming about wanting it back the way he had it, and then you jump my @$$ for pointing out that the newest complaint is about something he did, too?  He clearly thought those posts were worthwhile, and yes, I agree with him.

I didn't "jump your ___."  I was merely pointing out that you've had no use for "the way Doug did it" up to this point, even to the point of calling those who'd like things that way "rude."  All of a sudden something that someone else doesn't get is something you find valuable and your defense is "Doug did it???

 

You can't claim that "Doug did it" doesn't mean anything now and then cling to "Doug did it" as a justification.  :smileywink:

 

For the record, I didn't find any value when Doug did it - although I didn't complain about it - and I still don't.  I also don't see anyone here demanding that it stop, just two posters questioning its usefulness.  


The only thing this proves is that you haven't paid much attention to what I've been saying.  My point all along has been that Doug did say Smashwords posts were okay, just that he wasn't going to bother because of the sheer quantity of them.

Distinguished Scribe
Ya_Ya
Posts: 3,334
Registered: ‎09-29-2010
0 Kudos

Read between the lines, ever?

[ Edited ]

swan480 wrote:

The only thing this proves is that you haven't paid much attention to what I've been saying.  My point all along has been that Doug did say Smashwords posts were okay, just that he wasn't going to bother because of the sheer quantity of them.


And I think you are misrepresenting what he intended, said and later clarified.   :smileywink:

Wordsmith
swan480
Posts: 303
Registered: ‎10-19-2006
0 Kudos

Re: Read between the lines, ever?


Ya_Ya wrote:

swan480 wrote:

The only thing this proves is that you haven't paid much attention to what I've been saying.  My point all along has been that Doug did say Smashwords posts were okay, just that he wasn't going to bother because of the sheer quantity of them.


And I think you are misrepresenting what he intended, said and later clarified.   :smileywink:


Clearly our interpretations of what he meant when he said

 

"Personally, I'm not going to be including routine Smashwords freebies in my postings on this list... If you want to post Smashwords freebies, go right ahead"

 

is different.  To me, "go right ahead" means... "go right ahead."  

Distinguished Scribe
Ya_Ya
Posts: 3,334
Registered: ‎09-29-2010
0 Kudos

It's a free country.

[ Edited ]

swan480 wrote:

  To me, "go right ahead" means... "go right ahead."  


That "go ahead" was more than a little sarcastic - akin to saying "it's a free country."  :smileywink:

 

Clearly when he created an entire thread specifically for Smashwords, he intended them to be there.

 

And clearly  this  post: (explaining exactly why he thought they were inappropriate) including this:

 

The bottom line, for me, was that if you've read a Smashwords freebie and thought it was a good one, posting it would be worthwhile for the readers — especially if you provided a bit of a review. Or if there was other reason to believe it's a goodie. I've done so myself: [1] [2] Or if you know of a coupon code for a limited-time freebie (eReader News Today often posts these).

 

If all you're doing is putting "0.00" and a genre into the B&N search engine, well, anyone can do that. A bit of filtering is called for, in my opinion. Why is this Smashwords freebie worthy of mention? Did you read it and like it? Does it sound interesting and have really good (and credible) reviews? Is it only free for a short time?

 

implies that his original intention for the thread was (mostly) Smashwords-less.

 

Post all the OT, Smashwords freebies and useless notifications you'd like.  It is, afterall, a free country.  As has been pointed out, what Doug thought doesn't matter , but it's more than a bit hypocritical to use his intention as a justification in some instances and not all and ignore it in others.