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Article on how Nook, Kindle etc are Wrecking the Publishing Industry

Don't worry Nick.  The publishing industry will figure it out.  They just need to re-imagine the publishing industry.

 

From eWeek

By: Nicholas Kolakowski

 

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Kindle-Nook-Other-EReaders-Wrecking-Publishing-Indus...

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Agreed.  Publisher's need to take note of how the music industry bungled the digital music revolution a decade ago.  They are doing a better job, IMO, but they still haven't taken their foot off the brakes.

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Go tell that to Nick personally. Kick his *ss :smileyvery-happy:

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Re: Article on how Nook, Kindle etc are Wrecking the Publishing Industry

Not gonna lose sleep over this one.

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Schwa wrote:

Agreed.  Publisher's need to take note of how the music industry bungled the digital music revolution a decade ago.  They are doing a better job, IMO, but they still haven't taken their foot off the brakes.


Has anyone been in a Best Buy recently and take a look at the dwindling size of the CD offerings?

 

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hopefully PHONE books are the first to go.  They were the first to go electronic, and yet i get more per year than ever.  What a waste of paper!

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The article says, "Amazon's Kindle, Barnes & Noble's Nook and other e-readers could undermine the market for paper books, wrecking publishing industry revenue."

 

First of all, the author makes the stupid assumption the two are the same thing. Sure the market for paper books will dwindle as more people read e-books. Duh! But that doesn't mean publishing revenues will go down. The publishers still get their cut of the books - it's the book stores, printers, distributors and shippers, etc that just won't get a cut any more. Seems to me, that might mean more profit for the publishers and authors.

 

And it isn't like the e-books are sold at a huge discount either. I would say at least HALF of the 70+ e-books I have bought thus far cost MORE than the paperback version and a good percent of them cost as much as the hard cover. In addition, my purchases are a one shot deal. I can't resell my e-books. I can't loan most of them to friends, and those that are lendable are only lendable once. With paper books, each book can be read by dozens of readers with the publisher only getting a cut of the initial sale. Those same dozens of readers would each have to purchase the same book in e-format to read it.

 

I believe the publishers are the BIG WINNERS here, not losers!

 


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We're in a period of rapid change, that's for sure. There's no sense lamenting it, though. Change, at this point, is unavoidable. As for publishers, and the publishing indusytu frankly, I couldn't care less about them. It's the authors that worry me. My suspicion is that in the worst of scenarios, Authors will basically survive on a "donationware" model, where they offer their e-books DRM free, cheaply and directly to the public, pocketing almost all the proceeds, or perhaps splitting them with an editor. Word of mouth will be the advertising method of choice, that and book reviews. Already there are a few self published authors with an established fan base who make a very decent living selling nothing but eBooks.

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Publishers will survive just fine revenue wise, those that embrace ebooks. It's wholesalers and retailers that are going to have a problem.
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beeyebickiebuy wrote:

 


Schwa wrote:

Agreed.  Publisher's need to take note of how the music industry bungled the digital music revolution a decade ago.  They are doing a better job, IMO, but they still haven't taken their foot off the brakes.


Has anyone been in a Best Buy recently and take a look at the dwindling size of the CD offerings?

 


 

Stores =/= publishers.  Also, I don't recall any music retailers pushing their own content and hardware.  Okay, maybe Virgin but that guy was a nut.  At least B&N is trying.  And they are off to a good start.

 

The publishers on the other hand...  Agency model... Harper Collins' library fiasco... Lendable book restrictions...  The JK Rowlings of the world...  Not really that much different than the Warner Brothers/Metallica stunts

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Serolf_Divad wrote:

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It's the authors that worry me. My suspicion is that in the worst of scenarios, Authors will basically survive on a "donationware" model, where they offer their e-books DRM free, cheaply and directly to the public, pocketing almost all the proceeds, or perhaps splitting them with an editor. Word of mouth will be the advertising method of choice, that and book reviews. Already there are a few self published authors with an established fan base who make a very decent living selling nothing but eBooks.


 

This is an excellent point.  It reminds me of bands selling CDs out of the trunk of their car to avoid giving most of the money over to the music companies.

 

The music companies provide advertising, distribution, merchandising (I think) and probably a bunch of other things that I don't know about, but the cost is apparently huge.  Unless you are super-successful it looks like you can't make a self-sustaining living from it.  That's unfortunate.

 

With the eBook I would think you still need:

 

  • an editor
  • conversion of the book to an acceptable digital format.
  • advertising of some kind whether it is physical or virtual
  • storage of your eBook on a server somewhere (and the server hardware has to be maintained)
  • distribution through an interface of somekind.
  • copyright protection: I personally believe that a barrier to artistic production, in certain media such as digital, is copyright protection.  I like the idea of being able to lend a book, but not copy it which is easier in a digital environment.  And the lending should also be restricted except for libraries for example.  My 2 cents.
  • if the owner of the digital book wants a hard copy of the book whether it is bound as a hardcover or a paperback, that expense and research about where to send it would fall to the owner.
  • equatible distribution of funds which, hopefully, translates into more for the author.
So you don't need paper or a printing facility to print it, a truck to haul it to the store, the gas for the truck, the warehouse for storage, the truck and gas to haul unsold copies back to where ever.
It seems to me that there is still significant stuff that at digital book still needs, but the scale and logistics don't seem to be such an enormous challenge.  This opinion is based on nothing but 25 years in the computer industry and zero years in the publishing industry.
So, what am I missing (probably a lot)?  What else does an eBook need in order to have as much money go to the author but still have enough money to go to the "publisher" to do what it needs to do, and to make a profit?

 

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