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normysmom
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Re: Restricted Kid Access

I guess, ultimately, if finances and necessity dictated, one could buy a separate Nookcolor and register it with a separate account and use that account only to buy kid appropriate content to limit the library available. Also, said parent could also "forget" the WIFI connection on said NC each time and only allow usage at home on a secured WIFI connection or in the car or other location without WIFI (free or secured) - this would limit purchases to the parent's discretion only and block all usage of the internet.

 

We have two NCs in our household, one for me and one for my kidlet.  As my kidlet gets more sophisticated, this would be a working option.  I see no reason for my child to use a device like this in free WIFI locations, so that shouldn't be an immediate issue.

 

By the time my child is sophisticated enough to start challenging me on these protocols, I think my child would also be sophisticated enough to go through the "talk" about any of the issues mentioned and work within a set of guidelines and consequences.

 

However, I still think it would be useful to allow "locked" shelves or "sections" on the NC software.  Since, I can't physically put restricted material on a "high" shelf or "locked" bookcase or drawer, this would be the virtual equivalent.

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You haven't been specific as to what features you want to restrict.  Ideas:

 

  1. I believe you can lock the whole device with a password, but I haven't tried that.  However, I'd guess that's not what you are loooking for.
  2. If your child only will have access to the NC at home, you can often (depending upon its features) use your home WiFi access point to block access:

 

  1. Some access points will allow you to block external sites, but that applies to everyone using that access point.
  2. Some access points allow you to limit access by the device's "MAC address" (the unique network-id of the device).

So, you could have two access points in the house:

  1. One for adults, with access from the NC blocked by MAC address.
  2. One for the NC, with Internet access suitably (or selectively) blocked.

I know, it gets complicated ...

 

ps: This post (like those about OpenDNS) is in the frame of actually helping the original poster, instead of degenerating into another philosophical thread.

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Is there going to be a parenting lesson EVERY time someone asks about parental controls on the NC?

 

And for the record I don't find "well they're going to see it eventually somewhere, at some point so just get over it." to be great parenting advice.

 

It's the parents with that attitude that end up getting a call from the school that their 1st grader brought a porno mag to school and decied to educate her peers with it. True story. My daughter's 1st grade year. I guess I shouldn't worry about parental controls on anything anymore since she has already been exposed to such things then right? Wrong.

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What works for one family doesnt always work for another. What aspect are we leaving out? Maybe that kid isnt a word for an object but a walking, breathing, THINKING person. Obviously a childs motives cant always be clear. Age plays a factor. We cant factor in what they think when they see what we try to avoid letting them see. We need to as parents, listen and not talk to our children. See where they are and what they think before we try to understand were we should be as a parent on those subjects. My son is still young enough that when he sees nudity he assumes its because they have to pee or poo and so its just gross. I hope talking to him often will keep me aware of when that changes. But i also think having those options to block or restrict is good thing, a good line of defense, and speaking of psn obvioulsy they are a great example of its better to have many back ups and protections in place then suffer not being fully prepared. Both sides are right but the last thing most parents respond to is having anyone else (especially non parents) tell them how to parent their kids. Whether anyone means to come off lecturing, or condescending. I know the first half of this i might sound like i am, but im just telling everyone what works for my family, in hopes it might help, because i literally am no help on finding a way to block or restrict on a nc.
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Re: Restricted Kid Access

The best answer to this question is either no answer at all or merely refer the op to contact and request to BN itself (enough requests might guide future updates or apps).  Friendly advice and ideas about any subject even vaguely related to parenting will in such a wide audience, always be misconstrued as an attack on someone's parenting skills.  It just isn't worth sharing ideas on the matter.
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ImmortalBeloved wrote:

Is there going to be a parenting lesson EVERY time someone asks about parental controls on the NC?

 

And for the record I don't find "well they're going to see it eventually somewhere, at some point so just get over it." to be great parenting advice.

 

It's the parents with that attitude that end up getting a call from the school that their 1st grader brought a porno mag to school and decied to educate her peers with it. True story. My daughter's 1st grade year. I guess I shouldn't worry about parental controls on anything anymore since she has already been exposed to such things then right? Wrong.



No one said it was going to happen anyway...so get over it.   Me and others said, nothing you do can prevent it from happening....so PREPARE for it.    Teach the kids what is and is not appropriate (based on YOUR definitions) and why.   Then when they do get ahold of it, it not only won't be a mystery (as to why it's "bad") it won't be "naughty."

 

There are MANY parents who give their kid a toy to play with, so the parents can go off and do their thing...whatever that may be and that's the total of their concern.   That the kid doesn't bother THEM while their doing their thing....whether it is watching TV or watching and/or reading "adult" content.

 

I NEVER told anyone here to follow "my" rules for right and wrong.   

 

A lot of folks think that just "locking" the door is good enough.     I believe there's a need to educate WHY the door is closed and locked.

 

You would NOT believe the things I've seen over 26 years of being a police officer that "adults" did to THEIR or other's children.   Sometimes in the name of "being a good parent."

 

 

 

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I lock the doors of my house when home and have taught my child not to open the door if someone knocks, but this doesn't mean I leave my young child home alone...maybe I am just in the pantry or bathroom for a moment. I still prefer to have the added security of locks and pre-taught guidelines in place when I am home regardless of my actual presence in the house and in the immediate company of my child.
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Don every time someone asks about this topic rather than give them a yes or a no you go on and on about how you can't protect your kids from everything blah, blah, blah. It's getting old. That's all I'm saying. We heard you the first time. Get over it.

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ImmortalBeloved wrote:

Don every time someone asks about this topic rather than give them a yes or a no you go on and on about how you can't protect your kids from everything blah, blah, blah. It's getting old. That's all I'm saying. We heard you the first time. Get over it.


I guess that would be because obviously the poster didn't hear it the first time or the discussion wouldn't come up at all.  There isn't a problem with wanting parental control options, but Dons experience (valuable) also suggests that parental controls aren't a solution either.

 

I'm not sure that my experience is all that valuable, but I would suggest that the 15 year old selling movie tickets have automatically been giving me a senior discount since I was 30.  To them I was ancient....... What we we may find titallating may well be disgusting to an 11 year old. That 20 something bomb shell nudie picture mat as well be a naked picture of their grandmother.....  We worry about things (as a good parent should) but the fact is sometimes we needn't worry (too much)

 

Turn off the wifi and forget the access, and forget the acsess to the store, until the parental controls are added and things will stay  PG-13 in the meantime. As a parent sets boundaries jids are reqired by kid code to push them. Simply set them where you feel comfortable having them push.

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Re: Restricted Kid Access

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ImmortalBeloved wrote:

Don every time someone asks about this topic rather than give them a yes or a no you go on and on about how you can't protect your kids from everything blah, blah, blah. It's getting old. That's all I'm saying. We heard you the first time. Get over it.



So then no one should answer a question that's been asked before?   Other than maybe "yes" or "no?"  If someone asks a question that's been asked many times before....that they haven't and/or don't want to search for prior threads.   So for THEM, it is a brand new subject.   They've never heard my answer, or your answer or anyone's answer before.

 

I understand your point and my answer would be....if the question gets asked again,and I answer the question....don't read my post!   You know what I'm going to say, so skip on by!

 

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ImmortalBeloved wrote:

Don every time someone asks about this topic rather than give them a yes or a no you go on and on about how you can't protect your kids from everything blah, blah, blah. It's getting old. That's all I'm saying. We heard you the first time. Get over it.



And yet people keep asking

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Re: Restricted Kid Access

 


ImmortalBeloved wrote:

Don every time someone asks about this topic rather than give them a yes or a no you go on and on about how you can't protect your kids from everything blah, blah, blah. It's getting old. That's all I'm saying. We heard you the first time. Get over it.


Well the OP didn't hear it the first time or the 50th time the topic has come up. But then again this was his/her first post.

 

Bottom line: whenever you buy something, make sure it's the right thing for you and your family. If parental controls are important to you, don't buy a device without them (which means you won't be getting any type of e-reader or tablet any time soon but so be it). If you can't say "this is mine and you are not using it" to your kids then you have bigger issues.

 

If you are worried your child will come across Cosmo or Playboy in your house (on a device or otherwise) the simple solution is not have them in your house.

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Re: Restricted Kid Access

Just thought I'd jump in and comment after visiting with my 11year old grandaughter. Her dad has thier home wifi locked down tight. While conversing with her she told me she knew all the passcodes to bypass the controls and had escaped past the WALL (her words)but did not go any further as she knew her priviledges (ipod, net book) would be lost. No question she knew she would be caught and did not want to pay the price. So-----you need a lock, an overseer, an a severe cost if the line (or wall) is tresspased. Just my observation. S
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sewread wrote:
Just thought I'd jump in and comment after visiting with my 11year old grandaughter. Her dad has thier home wifi locked down tight. While conversing with her she told me she knew all the passcodes to bypass the controls and had escaped past the WALL (her words)but did not go any further as she knew her priviledges (ipod, net book) would be lost. No question she knew she would be caught and did not want to pay the price. So-----you need a lock, an overseer, an a severe cost if the line (or wall) is tresspased. Just my observation. S


And a good one, and exactly what I'm saying.   All the firewalls and so forth in the world won't stop them, but consequences will.

 

 

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What I find is that parents sometimes want to keep access to adult stuff for themselves but lock down what their kids see.

 

This is the bit that's technically more challenging.

 

Eliminating most of the stuff you don't want a kid to see can be done by subscribing to a "family friendly" ISP that subscribes to a commercial filter tuned up to block all manner of things.

 

When I suggest to folks they go that route, that's when the crickets REALLY start chirping - because it means the parents will be abiding by the limits they set for their youngsters. 

 

OpenDNS is of value, by default as a security measure and with an account as a filter, so long as you are ready to abide the same rules as you expect to see the family follow, and the kids' computer accounts don't have permission to change the DNS settings. If your kids can administer your internet router, you have larger problems than can be contemplated in the nook forums. 

 

Nothing is perfect.  And any lock can be bypassed.  But Don, when someone who knows your law enforcement background asks you what kind of deadbolt you prefer based on your experience, do you tell them or do you tell them that deadbolts don't work, as all locks can be bypassed?  :smileyhappy:

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It's just that I would think Don, that you might be tired of dishing out all these pearls of wisdom about parenting every time some asks about parental controls. Maybe you should write a book or host some kind of seminar? Are you sure your name isn't "Phil"?

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sewread wrote:
Just thought I'd jump in and comment after visiting with my 11year old grandaughter. Her dad has thier home wifi locked down tight. While conversing with her she told me she knew all the passcodes to bypass the controls and had escaped past the WALL (her words)but did not go any further as she knew her priviledges (ipod, net book) would be lost. No question she knew she would be caught and did not want to pay the price. So-----you need a lock, an overseer, an a severe cost if the line (or wall) is tresspased. Just my observation. S

Here is a tip, not just when dealing with kids but in general. Pick non-obvious passwords and change them often.

 

At work, if I know the person fairly well, I can usually guess their password within 3 or 4 tries. A lot of kids can do the same at home.

 

A really good lock on your doors is great, but if you are in the habit of not locking your door or of leaving a spare key in all the obvious places that great lock won't do you much good. Make sure your passwords are strong, not obvious and change them often.

 

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roustabout wrote:

What I find is that parents sometimes want to keep access to adult stuff for themselves but lock down what their kids see.

 

This is the bit that's technically more challenging.

 

Eliminating most of the stuff you don't want a kid to see can be done by subscribing to a "family friendly" ISP that subscribes to a commercial filter tuned up to block all manner of things.

 

When I suggest to folks they go that route, that's when the crickets REALLY start chirping - because it means the parents will be abiding by the limits they set for their youngsters. 

 

OpenDNS is of value, by default as a security measure and with an account as a filter, so long as you are ready to abide the same rules as you expect to see the family follow, and the kids' computer accounts don't have permission to change the DNS settings. If your kids can administer your internet router, you have larger problems than can be contemplated in the nook forums. 

 

Nothing is perfect.  And any lock can be bypassed.  But Don, when someone who knows your law enforcement background asks you what kind of deadbolt you prefer based on your experience, do you tell them or do you tell them that deadbolts don't work, as all locks can be bypassed?  :smileyhappy:



Nope, I describe the characteristics of a good dead bolt, and tell them NOTHING will stop a determined burglar...but if you can make it inconvenient to get into your house, the burglar will most likely go to someone else's house.

 

Same thing when asked what kind of gun should they keep in the house.   I tell them a squirt gun filled with lemon juice.    That'll stop any kind of attack if you can squirt the juice into their eyes, and that's the worst they can do to you if they get ahold of the gun.

 

So yea, protect yourself, but don't expect passive protection to always work, educate why some stuff is wrong (without having to 'show' it as part of the lesson) and what the consequences of going to inappropriate places will be.   And then if they do...enforce those consequences.

 

That's all.

 

 

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ImmortalBeloved wrote:

It's just that I would think Don, that you might be tired of dishing out all these pearls of wisdom about parenting every time some asks about parental controls. Maybe you should write a book or host some kind of seminar? Are you sure your name isn't "Phil"?


Nah....I just cut and paste.

 

 

All I give is advice, based on my experience.   I neither have, nor want, any control over any one else's actions.   

 

And just for reference, I have a friend, who's 10 year old daughter knows and uses ALL the cuss words.    Yes...ALL the "bad" words.   And she uses them in front of the family, as they use them in front of her.    Her family has no word taboos and the daughter has been taught that in some places, those words are not appropriate.   And darn, if their daughter does NOT use those words in public.

 

And that is just fine with me....cuz it's THEIR daughter and THEIR lives.

 

And I cuss a lot when I talk to other adults...and I'm an old man!

 

 

 


 

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donc13 wrote:

And I cuss a lot when I talk to other adults...and I'm an old man!

 

  



Me too, on both counts.  I am cussing right now on you having to defend yourself for offering advice that the poster may have needed.  

 

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