05-03-2011 04:58 PM - edited 05-03-2011 05:06 PM
The OP claimed to want two things: a filtered bookstore, and control over the internet.
RE filtered shop:
If you do it on the B&N server, in each user account / NC association, then you have what would likely be minor changes to the NC's Android build.
or potentially no changes. But this gets back to the history of booksellers not wanting to engage in censorship. I do not know how people would react to a general-interest bookstore doing this on their website now. General-interest physical bookstores doing analogous things are perceived as silly at absolute best, and most folks shop elsewhere.
You wrote, "Don't register your NC with Barnes and Noble so you can avoid their offending catalog." - That's a pretty funny statement.
But I was serious. google for "skip out of box experience." Erase and deregister your device. When it reboots, skip the out of box experience. Sideload approved content and read it in the library (this actually does work, even w/o a BN account tied to the device.
RE the second request: password for enabling wifi:
This may or may not be hard. The OP can claim to be pouting about it, or they can set up openDNS and a family filter and not let the kids leave the house with their nooks.
This would, of course, mean the OP (almost undoubtedly a male troll) would be unable to surf porn on their PC. So I realize that for the troll P that's not a good solution.
I'm not sure why people expect that the modifying core internet behavior ought to be as simple as a toaster.
Getting the NC online is not quite as simple as making toast. But it's pretty simple, and once it's set up, with luck, it'll just work (barring software updates making your NC incompatible with the AP your DSL provider shipped you.)
Adding content filtering to core internet behavior is hard, and there are people making money offering it as a service.
Oh, the other thought is: change your ISP. Find an ISP that filters all content at their gateway.
etc. tons of listings come up for either "family friendly ISP" or "Christian ISP."
Again, the issue for the TrollP will be that these ISPs will limit access to porn.
05-03-2011 08:37 PM
For me, the bottom line is if we look at a brick and mortar store we see that the books are in distinct sections. Imagine everything in the B&N down by the mall was organized on the shelf according to some keyword, not Genre? -It would be like what we get when we visit the NC Shop!
Empower my Barnes & Noble NC shopping to be more like their stores.
If I don't like a section I don't walk down that aisle. If I don't want my kid browsing for books in sections that I deem inappropriate for them . . . Etc.
I'm not telling the store manager to re-arrange his store, I'm not telling B&N not to have the books there . . . I'm just managing my experience, and my child's. This is why B&N has sections and aisles. This is why the kids section is separated from the rest of the store . . . These ARE tools and options put in place to help improve the experience of the shopper, and to give parents the peace of mind that allows them to allow their children to browse for books.
I see no rational reason that the B&N Ebook NC Shop search results can't reflect those organization schemas in an analogous .
Go to the B&N website and do a search for a topic. See down the left side of the results screen? Where it says "Refine"?? There you go! There's a "Children's" filter right there. Extend the "Refine" feature to the NC Shop.
05-04-2011 10:46 AM
Evenwith kids who DON"T push the bounderies, be aware until they have rached a certain level of maturity (and sophistication) with some level of awarenessof what is "out there" should NEVER do an unsupervised search - period. Even with parental controls in place you woul;d be amazed at what shows up. I rember my 6th grade daughter in a private Christian School with every concievable content filter in place doing a report on President Bush entering "Bush" as a search tetm.............
Now this was the first Bush so things may have improved BUT mark it as a lesson learned. If exposr upour chil;dren to the world (and the net is certainly a part of the world these days) they will see ALL of it. its inescapable.
05-04-2011 12:07 PM
It seems to me that taking the "purchase" password and moving it out to the "shop" level as an option would be a useful update. My kid shouldn't be shopping in the store without me anyway. I don't send her shopping to a brick & mortar store without me there (she's 5).
Or, even allowing a limited user account might be helpful - that way a parent could turn off the shop and the web browser if they so chose to limit the child to loaded/installed books, apps, images and videos. Of course, this only applies to the NC if you are in range of an open WIFI connection.
Supervision should not have to be "watching over the shoulder" every moment...of course, being able to password protect WIFI connection via the NC (without having to remember a 23 digit pass key each time) would be useful. I may be tech savvy enough to deal with the router, the mac addresses and other technical limiters, but I can't expect EVERYONE else to have that level of confidence in their own tech abilities.
05-04-2011 12:14 PM - edited 05-04-2011 12:17 PM
Parental controls or no parental controls it effects me not at all. Might be a good thing, I used more active methods of supervising my kids, but to each his own.
What really gets me is before I bought my nooks I researched both of them all the features terms and what was being said on forums such as this.
Then I bought and I knew exactly what I was buying. If I was buying for children I would have checked out even more things about them.
So why so irate? You got what you paid for if you did not like the whole package don't buy it.
It blows me away that you would buy it in the first place feeling like you do about what your children are exposed to.
Maybe it's just me but if I don't like it or agree with it I don't go there. So simple and my panties are never in a bunch.
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03-13-2012 04:06 PM
I just discovered that there is at least one way to control the web on your NC. You go into settings, then security, then click on restrictions. Once you're in there, it will allow you to set a 4 digit passcode and choose whether you want your web browser, social, or both restricted with the passcode. Once you've restricted the browser, the only way to go into the browser is to then go back in through settings and un-select it. I know this doesn't help your shop issue (which I have problems with as well. Not so much for my kids as for the fact that I don't like the number of gay/lesbian/soft porn options that I come across!), but it could at least help you with your web issue. I hope that this helps you. My kids are 6, 5 and 3 and I let them play on my NC, but they aren't allowed to turn on the Wifi. Unfortunately, apps like Words with Friends allow you to try to connect through the app which my kids don't understand they're doing yet. They've started quite a few games with my friends! I do wish there were a way to lock the wifi with a simple 4 digit passcode. I know that I would have to find a place to store the code if I were to have my NC forget my code after every time logging in on wifi. For me, it's not realistic, but the web browser at least gives me the option of turning off the web so that they don't accidentally start browsing YouTube after they click something on Angry Birds!
03-14-2012 12:16 PM
What OP is asking for is a very expensive upgrade to there system adding content that most users do not want. The development cost for this are very expensive and these lock downs prevent the true potential of a system being utilized. Besides any roadblack you put in your kids way is going to be removed by said kid. After working on a security system for a school for several years kids have come up with several dozen ways to work around a very high end system. And again what you are suggesting is censorship, of both the internet and media. Did you not see the stink over SOPA? The internet is a private entity with which you have no right to block access to. In response to the alegations of homeschoolers being less social than normal school kids my opinion as a former homeschool is that this is correct. I have spent several years learning to cope and interact with children my own age. However this is a trade off for I have great growth in other areas, speaking to older people and much growth in science and engineering. It is a trade off. Another observation as a homeschooler is that a sheltered life helps no one. When I was finnally sent out into the world it was overwhelming, Sexually and otherwise and I went off the deep end for a while. I have seen this with many a homeschooler or otherwise. Everything in moderation. Let your kids run and learn and be exposed to things that they may not be comfy with, just like a virus this is how immunity is built up and it helps children to socialy adjust faster.
As for OP I belive you rant for more restrictions betrays your ignorance. What you ask for is expensive and difficult to impliment, and will anger more people than it will please. You really should have looked more into the system before purchasing, I know I did. It is not the companys job, no problem to play catch up to your morals, this is yours alone. If you dont want it, don't buy it, return the system and get books and stop screwing with something other people enjoy just because of your own morals. Oh and as somebody who was in the same position as your children? If you own a computer, they have seen porn and know how to get around your security, homeschoolers especialy due to there abilitie to think outside the box. When you enter the internet you leave your morals at the door
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03-14-2012 12:54 PM
[...] In response to the alegations of homeschoolers being less social than normal school kids my opinion as a former homeschool is that this is correct. I have spent several years learning to cope and interact with children my own age. However this is a trade off for I have great growth in other areas, speaking to older people and much growth in science and engineering. It is a trade off. Another observation as a homeschooler is that a sheltered life helps no one. When I was finnally sent out into the world it was overwhelming, Sexually and otherwise and I went off the deep end for a while.
Athlos, thanks for sharing your experinces. As a parent, I wrestled with the decision some 20 years ago. We sent our sons to (oh dear) public schools, and they've both turned out better than I ever hoped. I've wondered about the homeschool experience from the child's side, and you've given me some perspective, confirming some of what I suspected. The impression I have is that the quality of either experience depends largely on the family involved, and parental participation throughout.
Apropos the topic at hand, when it came to computers and the Internet, we set a very clear policy and made sure our sons understood it: Use of the computers (and TV and any other toy, for that matter) was a privilege granted based on trust and respect. They knew that I could monitor their activities, but we didn't make a big deal about it. As they got older, I didn't try to keep them at elementary school level. There were no "... but you didn't say I COULDN'T" games.
From kindergarten up through high school, I never found anything in the logs (I do networks for a living) that made me regret this approach. The only incident we had was when a friend of my younger son tried an inappropriate search. My son reached over and turned the computer off. I knew then that I didn't have to worry about what they did out of the house, and that I didn't have to build a technological wall around them.
03-14-2012 01:31 PM
I agree with you entirely, The main issue should be trust between a parent and child, not some webservice to block it, if you raised you kids with clear rules and boundries then they will respect them. But you need to realize at some point that these arent kids anymore, there gonna try stuff and you can't stop them, what you need to do is establish trust and if they are discovered, punishment. Over emphesising it is only encouragment. Homeschooling was wonderful and it left me with many skills that put me very high above my peers, but the tradeoff was I never developed social skills with my peers. Older or more mature people I was around more, so I am more comfy with them, young kids still turn me off. Thank you for your reply
04-18-2012 11:49 AM
Block the gay and lesbians? Lolz, are they really that much of a threat to your children? At five kids should be able to know and understand that there are people that are different from there own family and that it's ok. I get that you might have an issue with homosexuality do to religious reasons, but say your a Christian would you go and block books with Jewish characters? I'm just saying that giving your children the idea that they should avoid people with different opinions from them implies that the lgbt community is "bad" which is what causes hatefulness in schools then later on work. Teach your kids that you don't agree with homosexuality and why by all means, but don't raise them to be hurtful. Gay people are entitled to their own opinions and shouldn't be outcast's. We're all human at the end of the day.
Sorry, I'm just very sensitive about this issue do to personal experience/stories like Larry Kings (which if you haven't heard he was a little boy who got shot and killed by a classmate for asking another little boy to be his valentine). Just hoping you'll keep this stuff in mind while making parenting decisions and understand that it does make a negative impact on innocent people.
04-23-2012 12:59 AM
Here's a novel idea that should fit right in with the home school philosophy:
Skip the e-reader or any other type of electronic device that allows your children to access the outside world and buy print and paper books. Control restored, problem solved.