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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster


AndyfromVA wrote:

Nallia wrote:

How would you feel if you truly try to help people, because you care and enjoy doing it, only to be told your efforts aren't good enough and that you should be doing more?

Interesting that the complainers always seem to be those with a dozen or two posts or even less.  And they love to target those who have contributed the most to this forum.


Let me preface this by saying that I am not defending anyone who unjustly attacks, complains, etc in a post.  That said, it makes sense that those attitudes come from ones with fewer post counts.  First, those who only want to complain will usually stop posting and find a more receptive environment for that attitude.  Second, those who feel that complaining here might in fact "fix" the problem, quickly discover it doesn't and again, go elsewhere.  And finally, a new postee might not realize they are in fact, the 102nd person to ask the same question and be taken by surprise by the number of times they are told so.  Should they "search" for their answer first, most definitely.  Do they feel a bit taken back when told so, usually.  The posters that have the personality to "last" in a forum world usually will apologize for not searching first or just grumble to their computer screen about snarky comments and move on without responding.  Combative personalities are USUALLY flash fire people which spout some garbage and then disappear.

 

That said, it is unavoidable that long time and helpful posters are held to a higher level of accountability.  They are expected to be "nice and cordial" all of the time.  IMO, it does no harm for others to be reminded that they are not to be taken for granted and that they are not 'drones" that sit in front of their computers, their only purpose to serve the rest of us.  Sort of like a mom has to remind her family periodically that she is NOT the housekeeper, chauffer, bookkeeper, and secretary.  She is a member of the family and should be allowed to have opinions, preferences, and a bad day occasionally.

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster


_deb_ wrote:

AndyfromVA wrote:

Nallia wrote:

How would you feel if you truly try to help people, because you care and enjoy doing it, only to be told your efforts aren't good enough and that you should be doing more?

Interesting that the complainers always seem to be those with a dozen or two posts or even less.  And they love to target those who have contributed the most to this forum.


Let me preface this by saying that I am not defending anyone who unjustly attacks, complains, etc in a post.  That said, it makes sense that those attitudes come from ones with fewer post counts.  First, those who only want to complain will usually stop posting and find a more receptive environment for that attitude.  Second, those who feel that complaining here might in fact "fix" the problem, quickly discover it doesn't and again, go elsewhere.  And finally, a new postee might not realize they are in fact, the 102nd person to ask the same question and be taken by surprise by the number of times they are told so.  Should they "search" for their answer first, most definitely.  Do they feel a bit taken back when told so, usually.  The posters that have the personality to "last" in a forum world usually will apologize for not searching first or just grumble to their computer screen about snarky comments and move on without responding.  Combative personalities are USUALLY flash fire people which spout some garbage and then disappear.

 

That said, it is unavoidable that long time and helpful posters are held to a higher level of accountability.  They are expected to be "nice and cordial" all of the time.  IMO, it does no harm for others to be reminded that they are not to be taken for granted and that they are not 'drones" that sit in front of their computers, their only purpose to serve the rest of us.  Sort of like a mom has to remind her family periodically that she is NOT the housekeeper, chauffer, bookkeeper, and secretary.  She is a member of the family and should be allowed to have opinions, preferences, and a bad day occasionally.


Well said, my friend.

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster

 


Nallia wrote:

_deb_ wrote:

AndyfromVA wrote:

Nallia wrote:

How would you feel if you truly try to help people, because you care and enjoy doing it, only to be told your efforts aren't good enough and that you should be doing more?

Interesting that the complainers always seem to be those with a dozen or two posts or even less.  And they love to target those who have contributed the most to this forum.


Let me preface this by saying that I am not defending anyone who unjustly attacks, complains, etc in a post.  That said, it makes sense that those attitudes come from ones with fewer post counts.  First, those who only want to complain will usually stop posting and find a more receptive environment for that attitude.  Second, those who feel that complaining here might in fact "fix" the problem, quickly discover it doesn't and again, go elsewhere.  And finally, a new postee might not realize they are in fact, the 102nd person to ask the same question and be taken by surprise by the number of times they are told so.  Should they "search" for their answer first, most definitely.  Do they feel a bit taken back when told so, usually.  The posters that have the personality to "last" in a forum world usually will apologize for not searching first or just grumble to their computer screen about snarky comments and move on without responding.  Combative personalities are USUALLY flash fire people which spout some garbage and then disappear.

 

That said, it is unavoidable that long time and helpful posters are held to a higher level of accountability.  They are expected to be "nice and cordial" all of the time.  IMO, it does no harm for others to be reminded that they are not to be taken for granted and that they are not 'drones" that sit in front of their computers, their only purpose to serve the rest of us.  Sort of like a mom has to remind her family periodically that she is NOT the housekeeper, chauffer, bookkeeper, and secretary.  She is a member of the family and should be allowed to have opinions, preferences, and a bad day occasionally.


Well said, my friend.


Indeed, it was. Thanks.

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster


_deb_ wrote:

That said, it is unavoidable that long time and helpful posters are held to a higher level of accountability.  They are expected to be "nice and cordial" all of the time.  


As a long-time poster I can only apologize in advance for not meeting the "nice and cordial all of the time" expectation... I'll give help when needed but "nice and cordial" will only be given when it is reciprocated and deserved... :smileywink:

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster

It does indeed become difficult to do so when often what happens is that a post is misinterpreted.  Someone asks for help or info in an off-putting way and others answer with what the OP has interpreted in some way that is not meant.  What happens many a time is that someone comes here and posts. 

 

New users seem to come from different categories and we are all expected to always get it right and to always answer all posts in a manner that someone we don't know will not misinterpret.  In fact, all users do, but often there is a preponderance of new users that do drive by postings.  Of course not all new users, but there are a lot of people that register merely to make one over the top, eye catching thread that will make a competitor's product look like a flop, and then never post again.  Other new users have genuine questions, but don't know how to ask them. 

 

Some other users come on here with chips on their shoulders and want to create misery amongst other users or they want agreement enmasse that a product in question is just garbage or is broken or doesn't work because it doesn't do what they thought it would.  Anything less is seen as an attack, an argument, when they often start off as discussion.  There are others that post merely to egg these people on and to infer that they are being attacked, because they have nothing better to do and lead sad lives.  Still other users have valid complaints, questions, issues, and ask them, but need some clarification. 

 

Unfortunately, miscommunication is unavoidable.  If I enter a room full of butchers and proclaim I am a vegetarian and I have a real problem with meat, and will not buy any more meat, the reaction I get is liable to be less than cheery.  We're human.  Imagine that.

 

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster

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I think I am about done with this thread.

 

My intent was to provoke discussion about how we treat each other here.

 

And yes, I resorted to some of the same things I took a stance against; i.e. sarcasm, condescension and the like.

 

This certainly brought many and varied responses.

 

So that particular mission has been accomplished. At least people are talking about civility and the occasional lack of it here.

 

But now I see signs of polarization and lines being drawn in the sand and so forth.

 

This is counter productive.

 

In a sense, we are a big family here. Big families who get along or at least respect each other do much better than families where there is constant bickering.

 

Now that B&N has introduced the new, "simpler" Nook there has been an influx of new members here. And I anticipate this will continue.

 

So how will the new, uninitiated members be treated by the "old hands?"

 

I'm speaking about people who may not be familiar with how to do a proper search, for example..

 

I'm speaking about people who may have never owned an ereader or anything else even remotely like it.

 

Some reviewer somewhere referred to the new Nook as "Grandma's ereader." We may have quite a few new "Grandma" type members who are not in the least tech savvy.

 

How will they be treated?

 

They are not going to announce they are elderly and don't know a byte from a bite of pudding but they are going to ask their questions anyway.

 

And they may ask more than once if they don't understand the previous answer.

 

Will some people be impatient with them and treat them with disdain?

 

I hope not.

 

Now what people say about me here is all water off this duck's back.

 

I care not a whit about what some of you think of me. I really don't.

 

I've already made my bed here and I'm very comfortable in it.

 

But I do enjoy handing crap back when it is handed to me.

 

So if people want to keep dishing it out in my direction, they can expect a return platter with just a bit more added.

 

 

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster

Wow,

 

This thread has become like a train wreck.  You wanna look away, you know you shouldn't look... but....you....just....can't....help....yourself.   LOL

 

After 5 pages all I can say is, I've gotten lots of information from this board and that is all I have to say about that!

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster


Nom-de-Nook wrote:

Wow,

 

This thread has become like a train wreck.  You wanna look away, you know you shouldn't look... but....you....just....can't....help....yourself.   LOL

 

After 5 pages all I can say is, I've gotten lots of information from this board and that is all I have to say about that!



It is interesting as a study in human nature, isn't it.

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Thing is, there's a fine line between provoking a discussion and just provoking, especially when done as an experiement with people you don't know.  And I see most things on the internet where "family" is proclaimed as somewhere between dysfunctional and cult-like, except when so proclaimed by those who have given of their time and care. 

 

There are moments in any conversation of true convergence of ideas, but most often any conversation is one of disparate ideas.  If one begins a dialog with the understanding that most will have their own opinions and may not agree and enter the conversation as if visiting a neighbor and not plopping down on the couch with a bag of chips and beer at mom's house after handing her the laundry to do, then more things might be accomplished more constructively.  I think that sometimes people enter here with an idea that they can behave any which way and "mom" will still love 'em, but many times they take off their shoes, and their feet don't smell so good, and the neighbor says it's his house and time to behave or leave.  Of course the beer has set in by then and they don't take the suggestion too well.:smileyvery-happy::smileysurprised::smileywink:

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster

I usually read soap opera recaps over my lunch.  Today I read... this thread.  :smileyhappy:

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster

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Hey, how come I don't have any laurels? ::smileyhappy:
 
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ynot22 wrote:
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Hey, how come I don't have any laurels? ::smileyhappy:
 

You have 58 laurels.  That's a mighty good start.  It took me almost 16 months to get as many laurels as I have.  :smileywink:

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Re: New Nook doesn't make muster


ynot22 wrote:

 

It is interesting as a study in human nature, isn't it.


 

A sad commentary is more like it. 

 

IMHO, everyone's b!tch!ng about JEB63's post is far worse than JEB63's posts themselves.