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IAHawkeyeDad
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Parental Controls

My wife and I have purchased 2 NookColors for our kids - pre-teen and teenager.  I am concerned by the fact that the platform does not have any parental controls - things that I view as a must would be the following (these should all be optional as some parents may want to control different aspects of internet capabilities):

 

- Allow access to BN.com to purchase NookBooks, but do not allow the transaction to be completed unless the parent goes in to authorize either via the web site or directly on the NookColor.

 

- Allow access to your application marketplace, but do not allow the transaction to be completed unless the parent goes in to authorize either via the web site of directly on the NookColor.

 

- Allow the parent to limit access to the internet in the following ways:

1: Limit total amount of time during any given day that the internet can be accessed.

2. Limit hours of the day when they can access the internet - example between 6:30 AM and 9:00 PM

3. Limit the web sites that can be visited.  Allow the parent to key in which web sites the child can visit and then disable the ability for the child to access any other web site.

 

- Have a parental override login - would bypass any password set by the child and allow the parent access to the NookColor to view what has been downloaded, changed and make changes to the configuration information.

 

- If you allow email access via the NookColor, have it setup so that it will copy incoming/outgoing messages to a parents account.

 

Hopefully, others in this forum will have additional ideas that would be useful ...

 

 

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Runnergirl77
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Re: Parental Controls

Wow!  That's a lot of material to cover, and at this point. 

 

I can tell you that insofar as the ordering of books goes, you CAN engage the password protection on your Nook.  This means that nobody can order a book on the Nook without YOU typing in the password.  You just have to keep your account password a secret (sometimes easier said than done).

 

As for the rest, it's basic web safety and responsibility.  There is an App store that BN is going to launch during the course of the first quarter for the Nook.  I can't say for sure if they are scripting something together for this purpose.  However, I would let them know.  Email BN about this at nookdevelopertech@bn.com.  I believe that there is also a board to post ideas for software, but I'm not finding it right now.

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  I can't honestly see why you bought your kids web access e readers in the first place if you were looking for those restrictions.  

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gandalf1369
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Re: Parental Controls

 


IAHawkeyeDad wrote:

 

- Allow the parent to limit access to the internet in the following ways:

 1: Limit total amount of time during any given day that the internet can be accessed.

 2. Limit hours of the day when they can access the internet - example between 6:30 AM and 9:00 PM

 3. Limit the web sites that can be visited.  Allow the parent to key in which web sites the child can visit and then disable the ability for the child to access any other web site.

 

- Have a parental override login - would bypass any password set by the child and allow the parent access to the NookColor to view what has been downloaded, changed and make changes to the configuration information.

 

- If you allow email access via the NookColor, have it setup so that it will copy incoming/outgoing messages to a parents account.

 


 

Seems to me that the above items should be controlled by the parents and not the device's manufacturer.  It just seems too easy now-a-days to get someone else to take over our responsibilities.

 

Also, as the previous poster said if you want all of these restrictions on an internet capable device why did you buy it in the first place??  Maybe an original Border's Kobo reader that had no wi-fi would have been a better one to get if you are that worried about your children's behavior.

 

 

 

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Runnergirl77
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Re: Parental Controls

Actually, with all the concerns over safe internet practices for kids, I can see BN taking a serious look at this. 

As for why would someone buy a child a Nook?  To encourage the love of reading and learning.  Kids are fascinated with technology today, and whenever the current curriculum makes use of the internet, Promethean boards, notebook computers or yes, e-Readers, the chances of learning increase.  Students want to be "cool" and fit in, no matter what their age.  Making use of technology is part of that image.

Now here's a great product that encourages kids to read, one that can "grow" with them due to the tie-in with the internet.  As schools start to look at more on-line venues for textbooks and homework retrieval, the Nook Color might (heaven forbid) make homework and study FUN!

Yes, I can see a need for such a "net nanny".  Will it do EVERYTHING in this list?  Probably not, but filtering out the inappropriate sites and a few other restrictions would be a good start.

We all have to start somewhere...

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IAHawkeyeDad
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Re: Parental Controls

Seriously?  I purchased this because of the multiple uses that the nook color would provide to my kids.  Best reading experience, ability to download and run apps (hopefully when B&N gets around to it in Q1), and yes, web browsing.  I do monitor what my kids access via the internet.  However, they will have this with them when I'm not around and yes, that means that as a responsible parent I don't want my kids stumbling in to things on the Internet that are not suitable for someone their age.  As they get older, I would like the flexibility to give them more access.  That does not abdicate my responsibility to protect them now.  

 

It would be nice if B&N provided this capability in the base platform - that said, if someone comes up with the ability to provide this through the B&N MarketPlace/Store when it is available, I'm more than happy to get it that way.  

 

(And thanks to others comments on this thread, I now realize I can put a password on the purchasing of items in the store.  That's at least a start.)

 

Every parent should be engaged with what their children are doing and take active steps to prevent them from accessing material that is not suitable for their age.  Sometimes that means sitting next to them while the traverse the internet, other times that means being able to lock down the device when you know they are not going to be at your side.  Can I lock them out at my router - yep, but that seems a little draconian now don't you think?  Then they can't do anything on the net - much better to white list the sites they can access.

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PingOfDeath
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Re: Parental Controls

As a parent of 2, i feel you.  Here the best i can figure off the top of my head:

 

 

- Allow access to BN.com to purchase NookBooks, but do not allow the transaction to be completed unless the parent goes in to authorize either via the web site or directly on the NookColor.    This would be best handled by allowing for the creation of "child" accounts that would not be allowed to purchase media PERIOD.  The parent account should be able to purchase a book on behalf of the child, or "gift" a book to him/her.  I make a comment about this in another area.   You can also use a regular account, but add a control to indicate that the user is a minor.  By click yes, this would allow access to "parental control" fields.  Of course the minute you give the child the password to the account, you are hosed, so the parent would have to manage the account for the child.

 

- Allow access to your application marketplace, but do not allow the transaction to be completed unless the parent goes in to authorize either via the web site of directly on the NookColor.  same solution as above

 

- Allow the parent to limit access to the internet:  Same as above, but this is kind of pushing it, but could be done through the aforementioned parental control fields.
 
- Have a parental override login:  Not needed if using account based solution since parent manages the account, or this could be a parentl control field.  The login would allow them to open the nook itself.

 

- If you allow email access via the NookColor, have it setup so that it will copy incoming/outgoing messages to a parents account.  This would be a function best served by an email client, but, once again this is a lot to ask for.  Prehaps if a child account is set, under the parentl controls, there could be a field for a parent email address that would be cc:ed on emails coming to and drom the device.   once again, this is a lot to ask for at no charge.  It would be off the hook, but this is kind of pushing it.... especially as part of a free update.

 

 

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Essentially, all of your desires could EVENTUALLY  be met by adding a "user is a minor" field to accounts that triggers parental controls.  The entire O/S would have to be overhauled to look for these controls and act accordingly.  Furthermore, i would have the controls read in, but not be changeable from the nook color to prevent a tech savvy child from trying to modify the controls.

 

Keep in mind that it is an e-reader first.  This is the core purpose that B&N should be putting the bulk of their programming efforts.

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Conniecats
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Registered: ‎06-28-2010

Re: Parental Controls

If it were my kids, I'd tell them they couldn't order ebooks themselves, they could put the books they want on their wish list and when they needed new books I'd order them for them. I'd probably make sure there were quite a few books on their Nooks at any given time so they'd have a good variety to choose from. I'd also make sure they could access a library to borrow free ebooks.

 

If I didn't want them to have internet access from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m., I'd just take their nooks from them during those hours.

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donc13
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Re: Parental Controls


IAHawkeyeDad wrote:

Seriously?  I purchased this because of the multiple uses that the nook color would provide to my kids.  Best reading experience, ability to download and run apps (hopefully when B&N gets around to it in Q1), and yes, web browsing.  I do monitor what my kids access via the internet.  However, they will have this with them when I'm not around and yes, that means that as a responsible parent I don't want my kids stumbling in to things on the Internet that are not suitable for someone their age.  As they get older, I would like the flexibility to give them more access.  That does not abdicate my responsibility to protect them now.  

 

It would be nice if B&N provided this capability in the base platform - that said, if someone comes up with the ability to provide this through the B&N MarketPlace/Store when it is available, I'm more than happy to get it that way.  

 

(And thanks to others comments on this thread, I now realize I can put a password on the purchasing of items in the store.  That's at least a start.)

 

Every parent should be engaged with what their children are doing and take active steps to prevent them from accessing material that is not suitable for their age.  Sometimes that means sitting next to them while the traverse the internet, other times that means being able to lock down the device when you know they are not going to be at your side.  Can I lock them out at my router - yep, but that seems a little draconian now don't you think?  Then they can't do anything on the net - much better to white list the sites they can access.


Here's a fact of life in the Internet Age.  Your kids WILL have access to inappropirate material.  There is NO software, site blocker, page checker that will 100% eliminate the ability to view inappropriate web pages and images.    There are ways to block most of them, but not ALL of them. 

 

As others have told you, you can password protect purchases.   

 

The only way to 100% insure your kids only view what you consider appropriate material is to password protect your WiFi....and have your kids come to you to log onto your WiFi and sit with YOU while they browse the internet.    Once done....have the nook "forget" the connection to your WiFi.

 

Never let them take the nook out of the house....they could get on a neighbor's WiFi or a free hotspot.

 

Never let them use any method of getting on the internet, unless you're standing over their shoulder.   This includes in your home, friend's homes, public libraries, school, or anywhere else they can get their hands on something that accesses the internet.

 

Never allow them to have or use a cell phone that has text messaging enabled.

 

Never allow them to go anywhere other kids or foul speaking adults are around.

 

You get the idea?

 

The first thing YOU need to do is TEACH your kids what IS and what is NOT appropriate, and how to avoid it THEMSELVES.    Explain to them WHY it's inappropriate.   Explain to them that you WILL "monitor" their activity and if they violate your "rules"...they will be PUNISHED.   They will LOSE some privledge you've given them, perhaps taking away of the nook or internet for a period of time.

 

Teach THEM responsibility and apppropriate behavior.

 

I say this as a parent of 2 kids who are now 25 and 26 years old.   Who had their own computers and access to a computer at home since the mid-90's.    A person who occasionally would go on their computers and browse the website history.   A person who had their email passwords and checked now and then.

 

I also say this as a computer system administrator, who tried to implement web site filtering software at my workplace.   We tried software from several vendors, NONE of it was 100% effective.    What WAS effective, was recording and monitoring the web useage of our employees and questioning them when their usage paterns showed they were doing more than company work on their computers.

 

In other words, do NOT depend on someone else, or some software to to YOUR job.

 

 

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Networkgeek
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Re: Parental Controls

For those of you interested in Internet access by children, you might want to look at OpenDNS.

 

http://www.opendns.com/solutions/household/

 

They have a free package.  It gives you some control on what can be accessed by your home network and any device connecting through it.   No it won't stop a youngster from intentionally going where they shouldn't but it does stop the accidental, casual or unintentional exposure to objectional sites.

 

Locks on your house won't keep out a determined thief but they will keep out most people.  You DID get locks as a standard feature of your home didn't you??  Some restrictions on a web based device is reasonable.  The rest is up to you.

 

I would think shutting down the wireless radio on the device and requiring a password to activate it would be a good feature.

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FriedBuckeye
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Re: Parental Controls

I too am looking at B&N to enhance their systems to allow some form of parental controls.  Until I read your post, I wasn't even thinking about the controls on the web browser on the nook itself (although I'm the one with the colorNook and my 13 year old has my old b&w nook). 

 

I am more concerned about what she can download or purchase via the bn.com website now that I had to create an account for her nook.  What I'd like to see is something like a sub-account under mine.  This way I could create accounts for my kids and then put restrictions on those accounts like TV-14 and above movies or allow ratings like E (for everyone) video games. 

 

So many things now have these types of parental controls or ratings.  Digital cable, TVs, I-pods, cell phones.  Even with Internet Explorer's default parental controls, I can keep my kids from getting to web sites they don't need to be seeing.  And, with many third party software apps, you can do the monitoring on your desktop or laptop.  The nook and it's browser just don't have these controls which seem so common place in today's internet.  Maybe it will come in future release.

 

Even the public library download site (in our area) doesn't have the controls on the downloads. 

 

I'll be keeping an eye on these types of enhancements in the future from B&N.

 

 

 

 

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parent
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Re: Parental Controls

Wow - you obviously don't have kids and have no clue what it is like to raise them.  How old are you?  Perhaps you have forgotten or you are not yet an adult.

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SyJustice
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Registered: ‎01-26-2011

Re: Parental Controls

I am a parent of a teen...so I do understand, but I also don't expect devices to come without parental responsiblity.

 

If you have to relay on a parental control....then you've got bigger concerns that need to be addressed, because no parental control takes the place of....parenting.

 

If your children can't be trusted with technology, then you shouldn't provide them with it....it's as simple as that.

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indigo13
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Parental Controls-select user ratings for books, apps & internet access

I love my new nook color!  I would like to share this with my kids; however there are no options for parental control.  Please allow profiles/user rating selections for different age groups, password protected.  We have profile id's at work and it sets the user selection across the board. 

Thanks!

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Half-a-Dalek
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Re: Parental Controls

Having parental controls--especially, with regard to the internet use--is an absolute must for me to be able to recommend Nook to others. In the next few weeks, I will be deciding whether I will desert the nook for the IPad, which has several decent parental control apps.  Ironically, I do not have any children, but I would like to be able to use the parental controls to help keep me disciplined. 

 

I do can't afford the temptation to waste time on the internet and I want to ensure that it is as difficult as possible for me to access pornography.  I do realize that the NOOK would be a sorry device for accessing porn.  However, given the pull of the human sexual drive, I know that the mere knowledge that I have some sort of access to porn would be a strong distraction at times.  And having suffered the consequences of long-term addiction to porn, I would not like to risk re-exposure. (My intent is not to be preachy here.  Feel free to shoot me a private message if you'd care to discuss my views.)  I know that there are many others in my position, not to mention the thousands of parents who are wise enough to team up with their kids to prevent my situation in the first place.

 

So, NOOK DEVELOPERS:  Please, please work on providing us a parental control app.  The people who would want it wouldn't mind paying you for it.  But don't make it subscription based. Just a white list/ black list based program would really be fine.

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Half-a-Dalek
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Re: Parental Controls

I agree: parental controls are a must, especially when it comes to internet access.  Ironically, I do not even have kids; I want the controls for myself--as a support for self-discipline.

 

I simply do not have the desire to waste time on the internet, and I especially don't want to want to temptation to view pornography.  Granted the NOOK is not well-suited to obtaining porn, but given what I have seen of the human sex drive, I would guarantee that viewing porn is one of the primary uses of the NOOK browser.  We would freely admit that the more publically appropriate pulls--e.g., facebook, twitter, etc.--are top uses, and the pull to these is FAR less than to porn.

 

My point is not to be preachy here.  (If you care to discuss my views on the matter, feel free to message me.)  I would simply like to make the case that, as someone who has struggled with addiction to porn, the mere knowledge that I have fairly easy access to it on my NOOK can be distracting enough to inhibit my productivity and enjoyment with my new wonder toy.  Also, I know that re-exposure to pornography would be emotionally devasting to me and injure people who are close to me in my life.

 

I know that there are MANY other people in my situation.  Add to that number the thousands of parents who have the sense to team up with their kids to safegaurd them from the perceived dangers of pornography.  (Obviously, it is stupid and vain to enforce a top-down, authoritarian lockdown of kids entertainment habits--you just get sneaky resentful kids [assuming they've got any guts].  --I'm not talking about THAT.   But the alternative clearly isn't to place a virtual stripper next to your kid's bedstand!)

 

Again, my point isn't to be preachy.  There are clearly other ideas on the matter.  Suffice it to say that, NOOK DEVELOPERS, there quite a few of us who would like a parental control app and would be willing to pay for it.  Please don't force us into a subscription system, but at a easy minimum give us a black list/ white list system that will let us decide for ourselves what we would like to be exposed to.

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motherBG
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Re: Parental Controls

I had buy a nook for my 13 year old .....come to find out when I walk into her room that she was watching porno,it was a disappointment I was sad that I had buy something to help her and she was misusing it ,I do want a way to block all those nasty sites feel like I had lost Percent of the trust I had on her ..I am sad.

 I took away the nook and am not planning for her to get it back I feel like I waste money and I had lost a lot more. I lost trust on my daughter....I had buy that to save money on buying books I had spend over $2000.00 dollars on books for her and my son in the last year and since on the nook are like 1/2 off I really though it was a great idea. But NO its NOT

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sygram
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Registered: ‎05-28-2010

Re: Parental Controls

I'm sorry, but are you people for real?

 

The last few post here seem made up to me.  Does everyone really want the Nanny State to take over for you?  Do all of you have some kind of blocking software on your PCs?  Do you have the V-chip activated on your television?  Do you follow your children to their friends homes?

 

This is all aside from the fact that you are posting here in the NOOK section and not the NOOKcolor section.

 

I need to get some coffe, I'm too grumpy right now to be reading some of this stuff :smileytongue:


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ChipPM
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@motherBG--Your grammar or lack thereof is atrocious! I feel sorry for your children, if you actually have any.

 

But come to think of it, I doubt you 'story' very much. You write as if you are barely literate but you use the correct spelling of "sites" as short for "websites". A dead giveaway, most people who don't know any better use "sights"

 

Plus you are very consistent with your 'mistakes'--'I had buy', 'I waste money' yet you use the word 'had' correctly in other parts of you post and use the correct spelling of 'waste'. Your use of punctuation also indicates someone who knows how to write properly.

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sygram wrote:

I'm sorry, but are you people for real?

 

The last few post here seem made up to me.  Does everyone really want the Nanny State to take over for you?  Do all of you have some kind of blocking software on your PCs?  Do you have the V-chip activated on your television?  Do you follow your children to their friends homes?

 

This is all aside from the fact that you are posting here in the NOOK section and not the NOOKcolor section.

 

I need to get some coffe, I'm too grumpy right now to be reading some of this stuff :smileytongue:


I agree completely. Putting parental controls on a Nook is not going to stop your kids from doing bad things if they want to. Its not like they still can't read regular books, get around internet firewalls, etc. Kids are clever and will do what they want to do. Talking to them is much more efficient.