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After a few days testing, I'm pleased to report that battery consumption in standby with wifi off is roughly 0.25% per hour (or 1% over 4 hours). From everything I've read, that's on par with non-rooted.

 

At 5.75% per day for standby, plus an hour at 4%, looks like I'm good for 10 days of "typical" 1 hour reading and online usage. Not exactly 2 months, but I didn't expect that to be realistic. I'm just delighted to have a device I can take on the road and use for a week of casual reading, and checking email when I must. 

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bobstro wrote:

After a few days testing, I'm pleased to report that battery consumption in standby with wifi off is roughly 0.25% per hour (or 1% over 4 hours). From everything I've read, that's on par with non-rooted.

 

At 5.75% per day for standby, plus an hour at 4%, looks like I'm good for 10 days of "typical" 1 hour reading and online usage. Not exactly 2 months, but I didn't expect that to be realistic. I'm just delighted to have a device I can take on the road and use for a week of casual reading, and checking email when I must. 


Although I haven't done any specific testing I can tell you that with wi-fi off on my non-rooted NST I can read well over 1 hour per day and not need to charge after 10 days.  My charge seems to last closer to at least a month or more  as I can't even recall when I last specifically charged the device.

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I connected my NST to my computer last night to sideload some books, and was surprised to find that it "topped off" the battery in the short time I had it connected.

 

I've a very small Lenmar USB battery extender that I bought to charge my phone on the road. I think with one of those in my bag, I should be able to be away from AC power for weeks, if not months!

 

Just a bit of new info: I was able to visit a B&N store yesterday, and Read In Store works fine with a rooted device, though one book refused to load. Others were perfectly happy though.

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I find that my NST charges quickly, I use Zagg's Sparq Charger and it gets the job done nicely. I've had my nook off the charger for a little over 2 days and I'm only at about 81% and that's with light reading and doing other wifi intensive things (such as ADB wireless) so I'd say that the battery getting worse after rooting is just hype. As noted before the horror stories of bad power efficiency when rooted most likely comes from people with Widgets, or data intensive apps which are running in the background while using wifi.

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Gabrial, how good to see you here sir! For those who don't know him, GabrialDestruir is the creator of the excellent TouchNooter for the NST, and ManualNooter for the NC running B&N firmware. I will humby bow to his expertise on any of the technical underpinnings of rooting.

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AlanNJ wrote:

bobstro wrote:

After a few days testing, I'm pleased to report that battery consumption in standby with wifi off is roughly 0.25% per hour (or 1% over 4 hours). From everything I've read, that's on par with non-rooted.

 

At 5.75% per day for standby, plus an hour at 4%, looks like I'm good for 10 days of "typical" 1 hour reading and online usage. Not exactly 2 months, but I didn't expect that to be realistic. I'm just delighted to have a device I can take on the road and use for a week of casual reading, and checking email when I must. 


Although I haven't done any specific testing I can tell you that with wi-fi off on my non-rooted NST I can read well over 1 hour per day and not need to charge after 10 days.  My charge seems to last closer to at least a month or more  as I can't even recall when I last specifically charged the device.


I haven't done any specific testing either, but bobstro's calculations seem off compared to my usage also.  I've read four books on my nook since my last charge and I'm a slow reader.  I can say with confidence that I've spent more than 7 hours a week reading on my nook, and I haven't charged my nook since the first week of January.  Granted, it's due for a charge now, but that's still a heck of a lot more time on my nook than 10 days (and 10 hours of reading) between charges.

 

FWIW, I generally charge monthly, whether my nook needs it or not.  I've never gotten only 10 days between charges, even when reading an entire 6-book series back-to-back.

 

Bobstro - are you sure your battery is properly calibrated?

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keriflur wrote:
[...] FWIW, I generally charge monthly, whether my nook needs it or not.  I've never gotten only 10 days between charges, even when reading an entire 6-book series back-to-back. 
Bobstro - are you sure your battery is properly calibrated?

I'm expecting the numbers to improve as my usage settles down. I'm seeing more like 0.13% per hour when idle with wifi off now, so only 3% per day when not in use. Are you guys seeing better than that? That's over 2 weeks if I actually use it a full hour each day under load with wifi on, which I think is outstanding. I still don't have a feel for battery consumption with screen on but wifi off, so it may be even better than that. I'm quite pleased. 

 

I'm monitoring, and not seeing any usage that I can relate to rooting or additional apps. I love being able to check my work email or travel schedule when I need to.

 

The NST charges so quickly, it's hard to run it down to calibrate the battery. Even in the few minutes I connect it via USB to sideload newspapers and such, it nearly tops off.

 

 

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bobstro wrote:

 

The NST charges so quickly, it's hard to run it down to calibrate the battery. Even in the few minutes I connect it via USB to sideload newspapers and such, it nearly tops off.

 


True. If you do any significant amount of regular sideloading, this keeps happening. It's sometimes made me wish that there was a way to turn off charging while in USB mode.

 

As an alternative -- since it charges fastest when on a powered USB hub, next fastest on direct plugin to a USB port, slowest on a non-powered hub shared with other power-hungry devices -- always use that last scenario when sideloading. It will at least slow down the charging.

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bobstro wrote:

 

The NST charges so quickly, it's hard to run it down to calibrate the battery. Even in the few minutes I connect it via USB to sideload newspapers and such, it nearly tops off.

 


True. If you do any significant amount of regular sideloading, this keeps happening. It's sometimes made me wish that there was a way to turn off charging while in USB mode.

 

As an alternative -- since it charges fastest when on a powered USB hub, next fastest on direct plugin to a USB port, slowest on a non-powered hub shared with other power-hungry devices -- always use that last scenario when sideloading. It will at least slow down the charging.


Why is this bad?  I mean, yeah, if you're trying to pin down how long your battery lasts it's a pain, but otherwise, I don't see how this is an issue.

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It's only an issue because if you keep topping up the battery after small-percentage discharges, you may not be getting the maximum lifetime usage out of it. See this post for a chart that seems to indicate you'll get almost twice as much total use from your battery if you let it discharge by 50% before recharging compared to only 10%.

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Sun_Cat wrote:

It's only an issue because if you keep topping up the battery after small-percentage discharges, you may not be getting the maximum lifetime usage out of it. See this post for a chart that seems to indicate you'll get almost twice as much total use from your battery if you let it discharge by 50% before recharging compared to only 10%.



I think at some point we did the math on the number of charges the standard Li-ion battery is good for, and it worked out that even with incidental top offs the battery would last somewhere over 10 years.  I'll see if I can't find that thread.

 

ETA:

 

Okay, can't find that thread, but I did take a look at the thread that you linked to, and here's my math:

 

I usually charge my once a month (every 4.5 weeks) and it's usually at about 30% when I charge it.  So let's say that I'm a slightly more avid reader than I seem to be, and say that I get to 25% on four weeks even.  By that logic I'd be at 50%, the recharging sweet spot, every 3 weeks.

 

So 3 weeks, times the 1500 cycles that the battery should be good for, means the battery should be good for 4,500 weeks, or 86 years.

 

Now, say I'm a top-off person and I charge when I reach 10%, every 4-5 days (or say I connect to sideload every 4-5 days).  My battery should be good for 4700 cycles according to that chart, and that works out to almost 58 years.

 

So... I don't see the top-offs as being an issue, as I'm sure 58 years from now I'll have moved on to a newer device. :smileywink:

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@keriflur: Excellent math! I hadn't delved that deeply. Thanks for working that out.

 

I read at least two hours most days, so I get my charge down near 50% in two weeks or less. We're still talking decades of life, whichever charging paradigm I use. By that time either the NST will have died from other causes or I will have.

 

Actually I expect we'll all be reading on contact lenses or corneal implants within 20 years.

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It would certainly be nice if my NST was the last eReader I ever bought (actually, I was thinking that if it goes on sale, I might buy an spare for a backup in case my current one died, but decided they'll probably have an improved model out by then), as I'm getting really tired of the engineered obsolesence of items.  If the battery lasts until I'm a hundred, my eyes will probably have given out by then.

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My NST probably won't be the last reader I buy (knock on wood), but not because it's stopped working. Something better will come along, and the NST will wind up on a shelf next to my Sharp Zaurus, Atari Portfolio, Dell PDA, Palm III, Timex Sinclair ZX-81 and other unwanted toys. I'm not going to stress about button or battery wear too much. I'd rather enjoy using the device to its maximum in the meantime.

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bobstro,

 

My Timex Sinclair ZX-81 is sitting in an old shoebox on a closet shelf! I also have a Pong game console and my Atari 800XL computer safely stored.  The beauty of the Nook ... it's really small, so my wife won't be able to complain too much when it goes on a shelf someday. :smileywink:

 

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Checking in! I recently inherited a second ST, so I rooted it just to see what I could see. I'm not sure how I feel about it, to be honest. Can't tell if it's buggy and cluttered or just a bit over-my-head. It doesn't seem to work well in e-ink and the "my apps" screen is pretty hard to read. Haven't figured out how to change it so the background is white and the icons are bigger! Google Calendar has a stretched SD card icon over half the screen when I try to use it, and I have no idea how to fix that. Haven't tooled around much with the Calibre app, since what I really want to do with it is access my own Calibre library, not some public server. And Dropbox is just not cooperating - it shows my files, but I can't access anything in them.

 

Still, the Kindle app works just fine on it, which means I can now take advantage of Amazon's free reads and deals and read them on a nook, which is pretty awesome. And switching back and forth from the rooted system to the "regular" nook system is easy-peasy, so I haven't lost my original Nook functionality, either. Still wish there was some way to use the rooted system to organize my sideloaded content "my" way. Maybe there is, but I'm clearly a total noob at this!

 

Edit to add: Even with wifi turned on, the battery life is still great. 

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bobstro wrote:

jbean00 wrote:

I'm wondering how many people have actually rooted their ST's and what kind of luck they've had?  I would love to be able to get all my Kindle books on mine.  The Nook Color seems SO heavy now that I've gotten used to the lighter ST.  I don't care that much about any other apps, although Overdrive would be nice...


I bought my NST two days ago specifically because it can be rooted. I've had good luck using GabrialDestruir's TouchNooter 2.1.31 method described over on XDA on my NST (updated to 1.1.0 first).

 

I've loaded the Kindle app, and while it's not perfect, it does work. There's a bit of screen flicker when pulling up menus, and changing pages, but it's readable. The bigger problems, for me, are the fixed justified layout (which I hate), and no font selection.

 

Overdrive does work. I'm managed to run out of authorizations, so have to wait for Adobe support to reset my device count, but it appears to run just fine. I'll update once I actually download a book successfully.


Gave my old Sony e-ink reader to my mom, but have found that I really miss it (especially when reading outdoors.)  This is starting to look very tempting.

 

Bobstro: Were you ever able to download a book directly from Overdrive?  Thanks,