Can it be rooted/dual booted?

[BFCoughlin]

I have the NC with the N2A card.  Aside from a bit more hardware muscle, what would the Nook Tablet give me that I haven't got already?  for example, I can use the Kindle app on my NC now; would I be able to do that on the NT?  (Not that I've actualy used it so far...but I like to know I can.)

[rmsmi]

That's a good question. As far as getting either the Nook Tablet or Kindle Fire I would scoff at either since they appear to only run their own custom software and use their own app store. I've got the N2A card as well which gives me the freedom to choose whatever's out there. Does the iPad have free range access or their users limited to the apple store?

[Flamberge]

I'm pretty sure that iPad users are limited to just the Apple Apps Store. Rooted NC users can get to the Android Market because the NC runs on Android. Since Apple products run on their own iOS, they can't get to the Android Market.

[BFCoughlin]

Sounds to me at this point that the best deal is a dual booted NC--best of all worlds.  I feel like I'm in the sweet spot!

[UndeadPoet]

And although it is not "dual-core," you can overclock it to 1100mhz (darn near the NT's 1200mhz).

[TnTexas]

What does overclocking mean? I've heard the word before, but I'm not exactly sure what it means.

[Nicole_Lilie]

How do you go about overclocking?

[dtmarshall]

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TnTexas wrote:

What does overclocking mean? I've heard the word before, but I'm not exactly sure what it means.

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Overclocking is manipulating system settings to cause the CPU to recieve a higher voltage (more or less), which can make it run faster.  It's not always safe to do, but a lot of the cores in tablet devices are underclocked (set to use less voltage, making the CPU slower) in order to increase the time between battery charges.

[dtmarshall]

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Nicole_Lilie wrote:

How do you go about overclocking?

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Check on xda-developers.com.  It's not particularly hard or (apparently) dangerous on the NC, although it'll void your warranty - if it blows up, you're out of luck.

[TnTexas]

dtmarshall: Overclocking is manipulating system settings to cause the CPU to recieve a higher voltage (more or less), which can make it run faster.  It's not always safe to do, but a lot of the cores in tablet devices are underclocked (set to use less voltage, making the CPU slower) in order to increase the time between battery charges.

So it's a tradeoff of sorts. It'll give you more speed but a shorter battery life. Is that what you're saying?

[LoganK]

TxTexas: So it's a tradeoff of sorts. It'll give you more speed but a shorter battery life. Is that what you're saying?

In general, that is the case. Note that those running CyanogenMod do not have to install any special software to change the clock speed, and, I think, it comes "overclocked" (relative to stock) out of the box.

Overclocking is generally not dangerous anymore. The worst case is a weird freeze and reset (although you can set up a situation where the freeze happens on startup, before you can change the settings, and things can get frustrating).

[PeterDe]

Its too early to tell if the NT can use a N2A card like the NC can. It has to do with the boot option in the OS. If they allow the NT to boot off the SD card then a N2A type card would work. If they change it to a non-boot SD slot, then its a whole different game. Only time will tell.

[LoganK]

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PeterDe wrote:

Its too early to tell if the NT can use a N2A card like the NC can. It has to do with the boot option in the OS. If they allow the NT to boot off the SD card then a N2A type card would work. If they change it to a non-boot SD slot, then its a whole different game. Only time will tell.

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Only time will tell, but supposedly the B&N guys were telling Android developers at the recent conference that the Nook Tablet is also going to boot off the SD card. That makes sense given the community good will their relaxed attitude has earned them.

Whether or not a free developer is willing to invest the time into supporting a community OS for the Nook Tablet is another issue...

[BeckyWC]

There's rumors going around on the tech sites that BN was supposed to make the NT harder to root.  Is there any substance to this rumor?

[LoganK]

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BeckyWC wrote:

There's rumors going around on the tech sites that BN was supposed to make the NT harder to root.  Is there any substance to this rumor?

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No, there is no substance. Mostly, it is people assuming that it will be more locked down because almost every company that's not Samsung is performing backflips to ensure that users can't wander off the ranch.

My personal hope is that Barnes & Noble continues to make devices that are resilient to user hostility (*) and recognizes that a lot of their community goodwill is a result of their attitude toward end-user ownership. It doesn't cost them anything significant other than possibly making it harder for B&N eBook customers to find the device in stock.

(*) I call it user hostility because a large percentage of the people modifying their devices do not understand what they are doing. This can be dangerous if the device is fragile, but the guys who developed the Nook Color really seemed interesting in making sure the platform was stable.

[zenaxe]

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LoganK wrote:

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BeckyWC wrote:

There's rumors going around on the tech sites that BN was supposed to make the NT harder to root.  Is there any substance to this rumor?

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No, there is no substance. Mostly, it is people assuming that it will be more locked down because almost every company that's not Samsung is performing backflips to ensure that users can't wander off the ranch.

My personal hope is that Barnes & Noble continues to make devices that are resilient to user hostility (*) and recognizes that a lot of their community goodwill is a result of their attitude toward end-user ownership. It doesn't cost them anything significant other than possibly making it harder for B&N eBook customers to find the device in stock.

(*) I call it user hostility because a large percentage of the people modifying their devices do not understand what they are doing. This can be dangerous if the device is fragile, but the guys who developed the Nook Color really seemed interesting in making sure the platform was stable.

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Totally agree. I think the rootability of the nook color has driven a lot of sales and as a techie type end user, I appreciate their not dropping into lockdown mode when users started tweaking the device.

I dual boot mine and enjoy B&Ns services in stock mode when I visit a brick and mortar B&N store. And despite having access to the Kindle app, when I'm buying new content, I always perfer B&N over amazon (unless there is an insane price difference)... So they are creating customer loyalty without some kind of Draconian "ecosystem" lock down... I can use B&N content in either mode and I want to support B&N for their awesome work on this device and have every intention of getting the NT if they continue on this path.

[FluffyDuff]

Hello Everyone-

So as someone who is wanting the Nook Tablet and still waiting on the dual boot option to be worked out on the Nook Tablet, should I just opt for the Nook Color instead?  I'm really wanting a tablet and not wanting to pay more that the cost of the Nook Tablet.  I'm not that computer savy, so I'm not really wanting to do the permanent root on the Nook Tablet.  Was hoping for the side loaded sd card option.

[gilgomez]

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FluffyDuff wrote:

Hello Everyone-

So as someone who is wanting the Nook Tablet and still waiting on the dual boot option to be worked out on the Nook Tablet, should I just opt for the Nook Color instead?  I'm really wanting a tablet and not wanting to pay more that the cost of the Nook Tablet.  I'm not that computer savy, so I'm not really wanting to do the permanent root on the Nook Tablet.  Was hoping for the side loaded sd card option.

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Although I am greatly enjoying my new NT I would suggest you invest in the NC because it is at a better price point and it appears to be much more flexible than the NT.

The ability to load the Android market and use apps you already own is fantastic.  Not possible on the NT.  The ability to enjoy an updated Android os is also a draw if you need to web surf, etc.

The greater thing that I do mind is that the NT's onboard memory is zip because it is all "reserved" for BN content.  I can handle installing my own micro SD card but still, don't market the device as if you will have all this memory to use freely.  Don't get me wrong, I love my NT and BN but I don't like how they infer that we have all this freedom over our NT.

The NC appears to be much closer match to the new Amazon Fire when you dual boot the sucker. 

Remember, it is an ereader and the color application can now present magazines in full color plus casual games in color.  A nice perk but most books are in black and white.  No big deal.

I suggest you play with them all and stay tuned in these forums for updated news; this should help you decide.

Best of luck and happy holidays!!!

[roustabout]

The Nook Tablet can absolutely be rooted.  

The unrooted tablet can easily (trivially) have the Amazon appstore installed;  the rooted tab can obviously have that and also can have the full Android market installed.  

As of today, the Tablet can not be SD card dual booted and the partitioning hasn't been altered (I don't think.)  

For me, the drabacks to the NT versus the NC are:

- rigid partitioning scheme 

- no bluetooth support

I'm particularly surprised by the latter.  

The NC is seriously vintage hardware at this point.  For a reader, it's a great platform.  For a more full tablet experience, it's not that competitive.   (I run mine at 1100 mhz, and I find myself waiting for it to get out of its own way since I run an email client on it.) 

There are equivalent devices dropping into range with more features (the low-end Lenovo) and current CPU devices that are headed in that direction.  

I'm most interested to see if Samsung has to cut the price on the 7 Plus after Christmas.  At 400, that's a very expensive 7 inch device.  At 300, it would definitely outsell the HTC Flyer, but the 1st generation Transformer is headed for a 350 street price, which I think is going to go lower once the Prime is really on the market.   

The 7 plus is probably my favorite of the current 7 inch devices, hardware and feature wise, but it's far too costly for now.   

[gb18]

Bottom continues to fall.....

http://androidos.in/2011/12/forget-aakash-mips-launches-99-ics-tablet-nova-7/