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paraguay2009
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I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

why? because lately every author that i go to buy books for my nook only sells their ebooks on Amazon. this is very disconcerting as i live in South America and i don't have access to paper books. Amazon seems to be "monopolizing" ebooks.  i even wrote to one author about this who in part said: "Amazon controls the majority of the market and provides important incentives to authors to enter their Select (exclusive) program, including free promotion, reduced cost and premium placement which makes it difficult not to utilize for indie authors."

 

This just doesn't seem right to me. ALL books should be available on ALL book seller sites. But maybe i am living in dreamland.  In conclusion Amazon is winning as now I am placing an order for a Kindle.

 

Just wanted to vent and see if anyone else on these forums is seeing what I am seeing.  Thanks.

 

ps.

is there another site besides

bn and kobo that i can use to shop

for books?

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jaquellae
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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

If you have the nook hd or hd+, you can install the kindle app on it from the Google play store. Unfortunately this work around doesn't work for any of the e-ink nooks. There are other work arounds if you're willing to strip the DRM (copy protection) from your kindle books, but you're entering a legal grey area if you do so.

 

It is an unfortunate reality that Amazon has the lion's share of the ebook business, and uses that to "push around" indie authors into being Amazon exclusive if they want better promotioms or incentives to be on their store.

 

Your nook will work with any ebooks with Adobe DRM. Stores that sell them include the Sony ebookstore, Google Play ebooks, Kobo, and Diesel ebooks. You can also take a look at Smashwords, which has DRM free ebooks, and allows you to download ebooks in a variety of formats.

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paraguay2009
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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

unfortunately I have a nook simple touch so I guess the kindle app (which I didn't even know about) won't work. Would be great if someone could make it work though! thanks for the reply.
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roustabout
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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

You can root your nook simple touch and install the Kindle app on it.  There is a site called xda-developers which has forums devoted to modifyng the Simple Touch.

 

Just be sure that the model of Simple Touch and firmware version you own are the ones the tool you try using are targeted to. 

 

Also, the Kindle app isn't the greatest thing in the world on the Simple Touch.

 

Another route:  set up the Kindle for PC app on your computer, then set up Calibre with the plugins for managing DRM for yourself. 

 

Once you have the titles in Kindle for PC and the plugin for Calibre configured, you can convert most amazon titles to epub files. 

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

You don't have to buy a kindle.  Download Amazon's free Kindle for PC app instead.  Then you can read Kindle books just fine on your pc or laptop.

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

Does Amazon apply DRM to small-time authored titles? If not, you can readily convert most Amazon titles that are not DRM-encumbered using the (free) Calibre program. It usually does a fine job converting to epub format. You could then sideload the epub files to your NST.

 

If the ebooks are DRM-encumbered, your an unfortunate example of a user attempting to use the license you purchased to read the ebook in a legitimate and lawful manner, but are prevented from doing so by DRM.

 

Unfortunately, just buying a Kindle won't be any guarantee that other titles might NOT be available in Amazon's format in the future. It's a silly situation.

 

You could always explore stripping DRM, although the legality of doing so varies by locality. There are plugins for Calibre that will help you do this. Once you've gained control over your ebooks, you can use them on any device you choose.

 

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

Or you can get a tablet that lets you use the apps for a lot of the different book places.  Like Kindle, B&N, Kobo, Sony and such.  That way you can get your books from where you want.

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

Buying a general-purpose tablet works if you're after a color/tablet-like device, but all of the eInk devices that I'm aware of (like the NST the OP owns) are limited to a single format for ebooks. Alternate readers aren't an option on a stock device. You could root/modify one, but that may be more work than most people want to do.

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)


bobstro wrote:

Buying a general-purpose tablet works if you're after a color/tablet-like device, but all of the eInk devices that I'm aware of (like the NST the OP owns) are limited to a single format for ebooks. Alternate readers aren't an option on a stock device. You could root/modify one, but that may be more work than most people want to do.


All eink readers that I've seen are limited to one DRMed format. Kobos will read unDRMed Mobi. However, it's not a problem to convert unDRMed formats, as you mentioned earlier. It doesn't gain you much to purchase a Kobo because it will read unDRMed Mobi.

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

My nstg has the amazon appstore and kindle apps aboard, because the appstore was less work when I rooted it [play requires a framework mod that was not yet around] and to see what the kindle app looked like [not very good.]  

 

As long as you have a spare sdcard, the nstg is still as easy to modify as the nook color.

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

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roustabout wrote:

My nstg has the amazon appstore and kindle apps aboard, because the appstore was less work when I rooted it [play requires a framework mod that was not yet around] and to see what the kindle app looked like [not very good.]  

 

As long as you have a spare sdcard, the nstg is still as easy to modify as the nook color.


Which makes them both exactly the same amount out of reach to the non-tech-savvy person. I could root my NST fairly easily, but it's not a process I would ever want to talk my mother through, and she'd never agree to do it out of fear she'd mess something up.

 

Also - you say the kindle app didn't look very good, so why go through the bother to root to use an app that works sub-optimally when you could save your time and just buy a kindle?

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

In your situation, you should probably just join the dark side and buy a Kindle Paperwhite.

 

I have had both, and the Paperwhite is a superior device (compared to the NOOK Glowlight) in many ways.  The big downside to Kindles is that they don't support ePub documents.  For someone like me who gets all his books from public libraries, that doesn't matter, but if you have a collection of purchased ePub books you may want to just keep them on your current NOOK and use a Kindle for new acquisitions.

 

Hope that helps.

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

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Keri writes

 

"Which makes them both exactly the same amount out of reach to the non-tech-savvy person. I could root my NST fairly easily, but it's not a process I would ever want to talk my mother through, and she'd never agree to do it out of fear she'd mess something up."

 

Fair enough.  When the Nook Color was running firmware earlier than 1.4.3 and did not support landscape reading mode, I made rooting SD cards for a couple of forum users.  I mailed the cards out, and then we got on the phone and walked through the process of rooting, accessing the Play store, installing Aldiko, and accessing their BN titles through Aldiko so the devices would function in landscape mode.

 

Both of the folks I offered that assistance to had rheumatoid arthritis and at least one was a grandma.  Neither was terribly tech-savvy, or they would have gone to XDA and made their own cards. 

 

One of them accidentally unrooted (and made unbootable) their NC.  Over the phone and without using a screensharing program we got her NC fixed again.  We actually needed to re-burn the card with a newer nooter variant using the links on my blog, nookworks.blogspot.com 

 

"Also - you say the kindle app didn't look very good, so why go through the bother to root to use an app that works sub-optimally when you could save your time and just buy a kindle?"

 

I went through the bother of rooting so that

 

- I could retain access to my magazine subscriptions from a single vendor, rather than having a hop from one to another

- I could continue using the BN e-ink device, whose user interface I prefer to the Kindle

 

and so

 

- I could install my own launcher

- I could install Newsrob, a caching RSS spider onto my NSTG for reading newspapers when away from wireless

- I could install fbreader and use fbsync and sync sideloaded reading across devices

- I could change the layout of my device so the library content was all dropped onto the part I can access from a computer, and enlarge that space to 1 megabyte

- I could test creating a symbolic link from internal memory to an sdcard, so that my BN content and my sideloads both wind up on the sdcard, giving my device 8 gig of usable storage (curatable with Calibre as well.) 

 

I wanted an appstore, for things I'd forgotten to sideload immediately after rooting.  the Amazon appstore made a lot of sense since you can just install it.

 

Once I had the appstore installing the Kindle app was trivial, and it was not why I rooted to begin with.  It was just simple to do once I'd rooted, and I wanted to look at the Kindle app on the NSTG, which is a bit better than the same on the NST was.  Most of my amazon content is converted to epub using Calibre, but again if there's something I want access to when I don't have Calibre available, it's nice to have even if it's not great. 

 

The original poster in this thread seems pretty sharp and may well have limited access to e-ink devices at reasonable prices.  The Nook touch may well be something that wouldn't be trivial to swap out for a Kindle in Latin America. 

 

Thus, my suggestions in this context mention both the Kindle app and the Calibre approach as viable without incurring the cost of replacing the device, and up-front mentioned that the Kindle app might not be great. 

 

I reemphasized the possibility of using the Kindle app because it really does distinguish the NST/G from the Kindle e-ink devices in terms of being able to work with both vendors' files.  I'll fire up the Kindle app and shoot video at some point so people can get a feel for how good or bad it is. 

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

well i got my Kindle the other day. the first thing is that the nook is head and shoulders a better device. But of course what good is an awesome device if you can't read the books you want, hence the reason for the purchase and this message.

one good thing about the Kindle is boy does it download books fast. a lot faster than the nook. I wonder why that is.

in short for me it worked out having both devices so that i can read whatever books i want.
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paraguay2009 wrote:

one good thing about the Kindle is boy does it download books fast. a lot faster than the nook. I wonder why that is.


I'd be willing to bet that Amazon spends a bit more money on their server infrastructure than B&N.

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

Amazon spend more on their cloud infrastructure than BN does? 

 

Hard to believe when you consider the specs and the geospatial diversity. 

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Re: I HAVE to get a kindle...(which i'm not happy about)

I haven't noticed any real lack of speed in downloading books.  They certainly download faster than it would take for me to go to a bookstore, buy the book, and get home.  In fact I'm pretty sure I could download several thousand books in that amount of time.  And I live very close to a bookstore. 

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paraguay2009 wrote:
well i got my Kindle the other day. the first thing is that the nook is head and shoulders a better device. But of course what good is an awesome device if you can't read the books you want, hence the reason for the purchase and this message.

one good thing about the Kindle is boy does it download books fast. a lot faster than the nook. I wonder why that is.

in short for me it worked out having both devices so that i can read whatever books i want.

Which NOOK are you comparing to which Kindle?

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Mercury_Glitch wrote:

I haven't noticed any real lack of speed in downloading books.  They certainly download faster than it would take for me to go to a bookstore, buy the book, and get home.  In fact I'm pretty sure I could download several thousand books in that amount of time.  And I live very close to a bookstore. 


Every once in a while I'll get one that sticks.  But that's been maybe two or three out of 200 or so, so I don't see it as much of an issue.

 

The pre-order scheduling is more of an issue.  If I log in at 12:30a ET and buy a book, I can read it right away, but if I pre-ordered, I won't be able to download until many hours later.

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I pre-ordered one book, Dance with Dragons, and decided I'd never pre-order again.  I had to wait, and for a long time I had a 'Pre-Order' banner on the book in the Nook library.  I eventually got rid of the banner, but it was a bother while it was there.

 

Totally agree that 2/3 out of 200 is a non-issue, it's what 1% of the time and could be caused by any number of issues. 

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