My Nook Tablet review posted to Amazon and Best Buy product pages

[AdamOutler]

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Nom-de-Nook wrote:

I bet it is a lot like a cnet.com review

NT is the best $250 tablet

Galaxy is the best $350 tablet.

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HAHHAHHAHAHAHA...

The Nook Tablet is not a "Tablet" anymore without sideloading, Clock, Calendar, and Calculator..  That CNET review has been invalidated. 

Without these basic PDA features, The Nook is a dedicated e-reader with a selection of about 200 actual apps...  Most of the 2000 apps are e-books and repeats of the same app with a different title.

[flyingtoastr Scribe]

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AdamOutler wrote:

HAHHAHHAHAHAHA...

The Nook Tablet is not a "Tablet" anymore without sideloading, Clock, Calendar, and Calculator..  That CNET review has been invalidated. 

Without these basic PDA features, The Nook is a dedicated e-reader with a selection of about 200 actual apps...  Most of the 2000 apps are e-books and repeats of the same app with a different title.

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Soooooo an iPad isn't a Tablet?

Odd.

[Nom-de-Nook]

well, the iPad does have a Calendar

[floridaphil]

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Nom-de-Nook wrote:

well, the iPad does have a Calendar

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And 140,000+ apps....

[flyingtoastr Scribe]

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Nom-de-Nook wrote:

well, the iPad does have a Calendar

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But according to Adam without sideloading a tablet isn't a real tablet.

[floridaphil]

A tablet isn't a tablet without Apps.  With a terrible selection of apps in the official B&N store and an inability to sideload them from other sources, the NT is therefore not really a tablet. It's an enhanced eReader.

[Nom-de-Nook]

floridaphil,

now you did it.  Counting down the minutes until Robotecture posts that he doesn't see any must have apps in the Android market that aren't already on the nook or will be (in his opinion).

[floridaphil]

LOL.  Yeah, the other 138,000 apps must be fluff  

[bobstro]

It's going to be interesting to see how things go after the tech sites that recommended the Nook Tablet as a bargain tablet put out revised reviews based on it being locked down to a glorified ebook reader. B&N's claim of thousands of apps certainly should get some attention.

When this happens, we'll find out exactly how much of the "Nook Bump" was due to techie influence.

[Omnigeek]

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floridaphil wrote:

LOL.  Yeah, the other 138,000 apps must be fluff  

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If you're not using them and have no prospect of using them all, they ARE fluff.  A vast number of unused/undesirable apps is just noise.  There are a handful of Android apps I'd like on the NT but I don't want to be bothered with most of what I see on the Market.

I realize AdamOutler is just bitter but the NT is indeed a good tablet depending on what you use it for.  Claiming a device needs a clock/calendar/calculator and sideloading to be a tablet is ... pretty narrowminded.  I don't need it to be a calculator or calendar, I already have those integrated into my smartphone.  On the other hand, there are things I don't want to do on the limited display of my smartphone like access articles from my laptop or work computer via Evernotes, look up recipes, show quick snapshot photo galleries (and yes, the stock Gallery app sucks -- so does the stock gallery app on my Nexus), etc.

I could spend an extra $100-150 to get a tablet that had a camera, GPS, etc. like you did but don't see the point in that since I already have GPS on my phone and iPod touch and will use my EOS Rebel or A2200 if I want to take pictures.

B&N and Amazon aren't primarily hardware manufacturers, they make their profit from content and accessories.  Their management believes they will sell more content by putting in the lockdowns necessary to get Netflix HD and Hulu Plus agreements.  That business decision does not invalidate the device's ability to be a tablet despite the unhappiness in some quarters about not being able to load their favorite applications.

[moose_tracker]

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Omnigeek wrote:

I could spend an extra $100-150 to get a tablet that had a camera, GPS, etc. like you did but don't see the point in that since I already have GPS on my phone and iPod touch and will use my EOS Rebel or A2200 if I want to take pictures.

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The kid with the most electronic gadgets doesn't care.. Got it.

Well the kid with this being his only toy (other then a laptop and basic cell phone) needs it to do it all, and does care..

[bobstro]

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Omnigeek wrote: [...] 

B&N and Amazon aren't primarily hardware manufacturers, they make their profit from content and accessories.  Their management believes they will sell more content by putting in the lockdowns necessary to get Netflix HD and Hulu Plus agreements.  That business decision does not invalidate the device's ability to be a tablet despite the unhappiness in some quarters about not being able to load their favorite applications.

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Netflix, Flixster, Blockbuster and Hulu Plus are available on devices with Market access. The requirement, as I understand it, is a locked down device (locked bootloader and/or no root access), not a locked out device (no Market access). These are different things.

The Nook Tablet is one of the lowest-cost means of delivering that content of which you speak. If the big content providers that B&n wants to partner with don't care, why does B&N? If access to 3rd party apps makes the device more compelling, won't that also increase the sales of accessories?

[JMTR]

bobstro wrote: "Netflix, Flixster, Blockbuster and Hulu Plus are available on devices with Market access. The requirement, as I understand it, is a locked down device (locked bootloader and/or no root access), not a locked out device (no Market access)."

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For that matter, I access Netflix HD on my Windows PC -- a system with far more power than any Android device, yet with none of these "locks." I really don't understand the paranoia about Android, although this may be more of a Netflix/Hulu phobia than a B&N phobia. I recall once having a discussion with my father about whether a glass moonroof made a car easier to steal. How could it, I wondered, when the car already had windows, which established the floor for ease of breaking and entering.

[TnTexas]

Omnigeek: If you're not using them and have no prospect of using them all, they ARE fluff.  A vast number of unused/undesirable apps is just noise.  There are a handful of Android apps I'd like on the NT but I don't want to be bothered with most of what I see on the Market.

Technically I agree with you. The problem with using this line of thinking for an app store is that what is fluff to one person is vital (or at least interesting) to another. Your handful is probably complete fluff to others, and they wouldn't miss them a bit if they weren't included on the Tablet. In other words, there is no objective definition of "fluff". So in order to appeal to the widest number of people (assuming that's the goal), there needs to be wide variety of apps available - which there currently isn't in B&N's store.

Claiming a device needs a clock/calendar/calculator and sideloading to be a tablet is ... pretty narrowminded.  I don't need it to be a calculator or calendar, I already have those integrated into my smartphone.

What about the person who doesn't have a smartphone or any kind of cellphone? Perhaps he would find a calculator or calendar on the Tablet to be handy. And most devices that go by the name "tablet" do have them so it's not an unreasonable expectation to bring to the table.

B&N and Amazon aren't primarily hardware manufacturers, they make their profit from content and accessories.  Their management believes they will sell more content by putting in the lockdowns necessary to get Netflix HD and Hulu Plus agreements.  That business decision does not invalidate the device's ability to be a tablet despite the unhappiness in some quarters about not being able to load their favorite applications.

Maybe not in the strictest sense of the word, but it does run afoul of the expectations many bring to the table when they hear the word "tablet". And those expectations are going to color their perception of the device.

[Omnigeek]

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moose_tracker wrote:

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Omnigeek wrote:

I could spend an extra $100-150 to get a tablet that had a camera, GPS, etc. like you did but don't see the point in that since I already have GPS on my phone and iPod touch and will use my EOS Rebel or A2200 if I want to take pictures.

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The kid with the most electronic gadgets doesn't care.. Got it.

Well the kid with this being his only toy (other then a laptop and basic cell phone) needs it to do it all, and does care..

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Then that kid would be well-advised to do what floridaphil and mohawkxx did and spend the extra money to get the more full-featured device.  What I don't get is someone wanting the $250 loss-leader device to be the same as his $450 device (even if he got it discounted to $350).

[TnTexas]

Omnigeek: Then that kid would be well-advised to do what floridaphil and mohawkxx did and spend the extra money to get the more full-featured device.  What I don't get is someone wanting the $250 loss-leader device to be the same as his $450 device (even if he got it discounted to $350).

Because most don't want to spend more than they have to; and if something cheaper can be made to do what something more expensive does, they'd rather do that than spend the extra money. Others literally can't afford the more expensive option but would like its functionality so they want to be able to make the cheaper option more functional as well.

[moose_tracker]

The kid did But our Best Buy didn't carry them, so I had to order it from Amazon, and need to wait.. But before the lockdown, the Nook would have done it.

PS.. Some of you guys on these forums may have the money to get hundreds of expensive toys.. Others are being hit hard by the economy.. Part of surviving this downturn is finding the most economical device that will do the most of what you want it to do.. $350 was a tight squeeze for me financially, but by that time, I was committed to a promise to get him this type of christmas present, since the NT had to be returned.

[BytheNook]

Bobstro posted:  It's going to be interesting to see how things go after the tech sites that recommended the Nook Tablet as a bargain tablet put out revised reviews based on it being locked down to a glorified ebook reader. B&N's claim of thousands of apps certainly should get some attention.

When this happens, we'll find out exactly how much of the "Nook Bump" was due to techie influence.

Are we going to keep count?  I'm one.  I cleared my Nook Tablet today and it's going back.  I ordered my Galaxy Tab earlier today.

And I wasn't really looking for a bargain, just a nice small compact tablet.

[floridaphil]

Moose,

As an aside, I know your son might want to make calls on his GT7+.  I have been experimenting today with running Google Voice with SipDroid and PBxes and have successfully received calls to my Google voice number but I am struggling a little to make reliable calls out.  Will let you know how it goes but it could be pretty cool. 

[Fred67]

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Omnigeek wrote:

If you're not using them and have no prospect of using them all, they ARE fluff.  A vast number of unused/undesirable apps is just noise.  There are a handful of Android apps I'd like on the NT but I don't want to be bothered with most of what I see on the Market.

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Yes, probably most of it - even 90% or more is just garbage... but that still leaves thousands of apps people might find useful that B&N doesn't offer.

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I realize AdamOutler is just bitter but the NT is indeed a good tablet depending on what you use it for.  Claiming a device needs a clock/calendar/calculator and sideloading to be a tablet is ... pretty narrowminded.  I don't need it to be a calculator or calendar, I already have those integrated into my smartphone.  On the other hand, there are things I don't want to do on the limited display of my smartphone like access articles from my laptop or work computer via Evernotes, look up recipes, show quick snapshot photo galleries (and yes, the stock Gallery app sucks -- so does the stock gallery app on my Nexus), etc.

I could spend an extra $100-150 to get a tablet that had a camera, GPS, etc. like you did but don't see the point in that since I already have GPS on my phone and iPod touch and will use my EOS Rebel or A2200 if I want to take pictures.

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The problem is that you treat this discussion as if people are trying to talk you into giving up your tablet and get something else. The reality is we're just discussing things - nobody else cares what you use, and nobody thinks that anybody who is happy with their Tablet should give it up.

Two of the three tablets I got were for my kids - they don't have smart phones, so they don't have a good calculator app (even the scientific calculator in the B&N store is dubious, I think there are better ones); my kids don't have DSLRs or iPod touches, or any of the wonderful toys you have.

On top of that, my kids are avid gamers... the game selection on B&N is quite small, including some games they've seen for my phone that they want that aren't available in the B&N app store.  I don't think that's a "big" problem, honestly, but it's still nicer for them to have access than not have access.

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B&N and Amazon aren't primarily hardware manufacturers, they make their profit from content and accessories.  Their management believes they will sell more content by putting in the lockdowns necessary to get Netflix HD and Hulu Plus agreements.  That business decision does not invalidate the device's ability to be a tablet despite the unhappiness in some quarters about not being able to load their favorite applications.

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Which is why they kindly took back all my Nook Tablets today... I'm still a B&N customer, I still have a large library of books for Nook... and the new devices we got today allowed me to install the Nook app. So, according to you, B&N should be happy, not bitter, that I returned them.... so B&N made me a happy customer, a loyal customer who will buy B&N content when all things are equal, because they allowed me to free myself from their walled garden.  Win-win.