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Libbica
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Porn samples appeared in my library.

I know this issue has been posted before but I feel that activity like this should be flagged up. 

 

I decided to activate wifi last night as I'm nearing the end of a book and wanted to do a search.  I noticed that there were some titles in my library marked as 'new' and was shocked to see that they were all porn samples.  There were 3 pages of these samples!!  I have never tried to search for anything anywhere near approaching this kind of content so how on earth did they end up in my library?

 

As a security measure I am going to change my email address and password but am not happy about this and am wondering whether to get rid of the nook and get a kindle instead.  I had a kindle for about 3 years and never once had any suspicious or unsolicited activity on it.

 

How many nook owners have encountered this I wonder...

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Mercury_Glitch
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Re: Porn samples appeared in my library.

I've had a NST since they came out, along with a NSTG when they were released, both my parents and several family members have Nooks (most of them in the NST/G family of Nooks), none of us have had that issue.

 

The suggestions can be a bit steamy, but I've found adding people to your Nook Friends replaces those suggestions.

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MacMcK1957
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I've never seen this, and never heard of anything like this, except for someone who had an adolescent son with a lot of curiosity but apparently no ability to cover his tracks.  As MG says, sometimes the suggestions can be a bit steamy (mostly romance novels with a lot of shirtless men) but that's not the same as an actual erotica sample.  Changing your password is an excellent idea, as well as setting your Nook to require a password before any purchase (by default that security setting is turned off).

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rfortson
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I've seen this a couple of times when searching for books for my daughter (she's 10).  This IS a problem and B&N needs to take more stringent steps to keep these results out of searches.  The cover art is the problem, with nude photos showing up on the first page of results.  I can't remember the exact book I was looking for, but it was a kid's title to boot.  Reminded me of the early days of the internet when "dizney.com" or something similar went to a porn site.  I don't care about porn, but I do care that some sick person would try to capitalize on a kid misspelling "Disney" to set up a porn site.  The book results I saw were similar.

 

I meant to call B&N at the time but got distracted.  I'll see if I can hunt it down again.

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MacMcK1957
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Having erotica show up in searches is an issue, but not what the original poster is reporting, which is that porn samples were actually ordered and downloaded to the Nook.  A very different thing.

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keriflur
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Agreed - I hardly ever have samples appear, and never, ever porn.  When B&N does push samples, it's also not just to one individual, it's to a large cross-section, or to everyone.

 

This definitely sounds like a situation where someone other than the OP got their hands on the nook.  Maybe password protection on the store is in order.

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rfortson
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Having erotica show up in searches is an issue, but not what the original poster is reporting, which is that porn samples were actually ordered and downloaded to the Nook.  A very different thing.

 


Good point, and I stand corrected re: the original point.  However, to me it's still part of the larger issue of how to separate the two sides and keep everyone happy.  FWIW, the Kindle search results are similar.

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MacMcK1957
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Re: Porn samples appeared in my library.

FWIW, the Kindle search results are similar.

 

Both vendors allow the bookseller to set the tags, and unscrupulous porn vendors tag all their books as everything: mystery, SF, romance, adventure, travel, you name it, for maximum exposure.  Then they re-release the books every day so they always show at the top of new releases.  Both B&N and Amazon need to exercise control of this process to curb the clear abuse, but neither shows any sign of doing so.

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MacMcK1957 wrote:

FWIW, the Kindle search results are similar.

 

Both vendors allow the bookseller to set the tags, and unscrupulous porn vendors tag all their books as everything: mystery, SF, romance, adventure, travel, you name it, for maximum exposure.  Then they re-release the books every day so they always show at the top of new releases.  Both B&N and Amazon need to exercise control of this process to curb the clear abuse, but neither shows any sign of doing so.


I would think this would require vendors to have someone know something about the book to determine if the ags are truly incorrect.  you could have a book that is an erotic mystery and claim it is properly tagged.  And who makes the decision that it is erotica vs romance with some sex?  It's a sticky issue to get into.

 

 

 

I don't know what the answer is on searches, I knw it's frustrating for many.  It doesn't help that currently, edgy romance very close to erotica is very popular right now so the books how up more often.

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MacMcK1957
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Do a search for new science fiction (or mystery or anything) and sort by date to get the new releases at the top, after the coming releases. You will see that we are not talking about any books where there is any question of whether it might be "erotic mystery". Titles like "Gang Bang Fever" really don't leave that much room for doubt.
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MacMcK1957 wrote:
Do a search for new science fiction (or mystery or anything) and sort by date to get the new releases at the top, after the coming releases. You will see that we are not talking about any books where there is any question of whether it might be "erotic mystery". Titles like "Gang Bang Fever" really don't leave that much room for doubt.

I had a nice response prepared for this and my iPad decided to lose it all.  So I moved to the computer.

 

Ok, that one might be obvious, but it could also be a sci-fi story about a group of galaxies (a gang possibly) that are created based on the big bang theory (the one that explains creating galaxies, not the TV show) and this causes a deadly fever in the population of a nearby galaxy.  Yes, that's a stretch and I had to think hard about it, but the point would be that a title doesn't tell the story.

 

I own the book The Grand Design.  You can't tell what that's about by the title.  It could be sci-fi, it could be horror, it could be erotica or it could be non-fiction.  Again, the title isn't helpful.

 

Do you only fix the tags on the ones where the title is obvious?  Otherwise, you now need someone with knowledge of the book.  And now you need criteria.  What is romance, what is erotica, what is pornography?  Whose definition do you use.  I know there have been many attempts and legally defining pornography, I don't know if anyone was ever successful.  Who's that poor justice who's forever going to remembered by is statement, I don't know what is is but I know it when I see it.

 

What happens when the author/publisher disagrees?  Headlines, BN labeled my book as pornography. It's hard for me to agree that the vendors need to be put in the roll of censors and actually making a determination that a book falls into some type of category.  If a book is an erotic mystery, does the author have the right to tag it as both a mystery and erotica?

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Wulfraed
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"The Grand Design"???

 

Obviously a Creationist tract <G>

 

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MacMcK1957 wrote:
Do a search for new science fiction (or mystery or anything) and sort by date to get the new releases at the top, after the coming releases. You will see that we are not talking about any books where there is any question of whether it might be "erotic mystery". Titles like "Gang Bang Fever" really don't leave that much room for doubt.

"Gang Bang Fever," an erotic mystery? I suppose it might be a mystery the number of individuals who end up with the clap...I mean "bang" by the end of the book. The answer is simple: all of them. :smileywink:

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keriflur
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Where I grew up "gang bangers" wasn't a term that had anything to do with sex, it referred to people in gangs, so... This could totally be a nonfiction about gang life. Just sayin'. 

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MacMcK1957
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Do you only fix the tags on the ones where the title is obvious?

 

Frankly, that would solve 98% of the problem.  Again, we are not talking about borderline examples.  These are not books trying to pretend to be anything other than what they are.  It is blatant, obvious porn, and making no attempt at all to pretend to be anything other than what it is, apart than the dishonest tagging.  Do you really want to argue that Wife Swap Reunion or CAMPING SEXCAPADES (both listed in Science Fiction) should be given the benefit of the doubt?

 

I have no objection to porn being available for those who want to read it.  I just object to literally hundreds of porn titles cluttering up the search results when I am trying to look for new SF releases.

 

You could solve a good deal of the problem by cracking down on the daily re-release of the title to put it at the top of the queue.  Although it might be occasionally necessary to release an update, the same book being re-released more than twice in any brief period of time should not be allowed.

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rfortson
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In addition to the blatant titles, my larger complaint is the nude/pornographic cover art.  That's the first thing that jumps out when the search results pop up.  And I was searching for kids books, like the Hunger Games (wish I could remember the exact title I was searching on so I could duplicate the results for B&N).

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Libbica
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Thanks to all for posting replies. I have password protected my nook and set up a password so that it has to be entered even to download a sample. Some of the titles on the samples mentioned in my original post had very explicit titles such as, 'f***fest'. I'll see how things go but I think B&N really do need to address their search issues especially as more children are being given e-readers. They even promote children using their e-reader as you can see from their twitter account pic of a young girl reading a nook.
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I've had Nooks for over two years.  I've never had a sample of any kind downloaded to my Nooks unless I chose to do it.  I've had kinda steamy (as in bodice-ripper romances) "suggested" (for who knows what reason, since I've never read one.)  But true porn?  Just hasn't happened.

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MDD73
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I did have a cook book sample sent to my Nook once without me doing anything. However, porn - not just erotica, but straight-up porn - is becoming an increasing search issue to be sure. I've mention previously that browsing the "Comics & Graphic Novels" tab brings up all kinds of undesirable images. Even specifically searching for "Superman" was not safe. I enter a message regarding it to the Nook Customer Service email, to which they sent a response thanking me for my question regarding the use of gift cards on my account.
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It would be nice if B&N provided some rudimentary filtering. I've worked with pranksters  who'd love nothing more than to pull down a load of dubious material on a colleague's device, then share glowing reviews to social media.

 

 I find the moral and judgemental tone of some of the replies interesting. So what if I'm a porn hound? Shouldn't mommy be able to read a little 50 Shades without sharing that fact with the kids when doing some bedtime reading? Maybe I downloaded some right or left wing diatribe. Must my device now brand me an adherent to that philosophy?

 

The ability to control what appears on a device is a pretty fundamental feature, and one that has often been requested. B&N is remiss in not providing such basic functionality. Never mind why B&N thinks why I might be interested in their wares.