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SciFiCanuck wrote:

Ooooooooh, I can't wait to read your new book!! 

 

I would like to see a book about Lucien...maybe how he met Genevieve and how they fell in love!  Basically how it all started.  :-)

 

I loved the pants issue with Dante and Heather, LOL!  At least she was finally able to them off herself!


I have plans to do a book(s) about Lucien that would not only show how he met Genevieve and fell in love, but where he was for the first eighteen years of Dante's life (unaware that he even had a child or that Genevieve had been murdered). It would also show Lucien participating in different eras throughout history, interspersed with his life in Gehenna and the events leading to his murder of Yahweh.
The pants issue was fun! :smileywink: And, yup, Heather finally had her way.

 

 

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SciFiCanuck wrote:

Hmmmmm, who would play Dante?   What about the guy who plays Damon on The Vampire Diaries?  He is SOOOOOO hot and an amazing actor!  I think he basically steals the show!


I truly believe it would have to be an unknown (at this point in time), Teresa. Ian Somerhalder (Damon) *does* steal the show and his character's a lot of fun, but nothing about him suggests Dante - to me, anyway. :smileyhappy:

 

 

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DBReynolds wrote:

Oh, man, talking about a potential movie ... my GREATEST fear is what they'd do to Dante.  He's so gorgeous and innately sensual.  I dread to think who they'd get to play him.  My only hope is that because of the material, they WON'T try to make it a teenager's movie and get some TV twit to play him!  Pleeeeze.

 

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS

 

 

And someone asked about Dante's wings (SciFiCanuck?)  In the early books, before Lucien was captured and tortured--and thank God Dante rescued him ... he appeared as a normal, handsome, but unwinged human when he was with Dante in the club or in public.  So, I'm assuming Dante will be able to do the same with his wings.  For that matter, Morningstar does that, too, when he's following Dante around.

 

Morningstar's character development has been interesting.  Instead of being an all around jerk and using Dante for his own ends, he actually turned out to be decent.  The mark of a good writer!  No two dimensional characters here!

 

Did I mention, I LOVE these books?  :smileywink:

 


 

 

Hey DB! Great to see you here!

 

I understand your concerns about any movies made from The Maker's Song books and the portrayal of Dante. I have my concerns too. But one good thing is, Disney's not interested into turning the books into a teen movie. They already have a paranormal YA property that they bought, so if that's what they wanted to do, they already own a project they could film for the teen market.

 

Disney has stated that they want to go in a darker, more adult direction. Entertainment Weekly magazine reported that as well. So fingers crossed that they decide to venture into dark and adult with The Maker's Song series. :smileywink:

 

And you're absolutely right about Dante and his new wings. He can tuck them away just like Lucien or any of the Fallen can. Once he figures out how. Watching him learn to fly should be amusing, :smileywink:

 

Thanks so much for all your kind words!!!

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Okay Adrian, I see that you've caught up. (and I hope you're feeling better!) Here are some more comments and questions for you....

 

1. It's really hard to write "good" sex scenes – that is, that middle ground between too sappy and too graphic. I forget which author said this but she stated the two hardest things to write well are comedy scenes and sex scenes... Well, you definitely know how to write sex scenes! I mean – WOW – just perfect. The scenes on page 326 and 354 were just brilliantly written:

 

"Heather gasped, pleasure fluttering through her belly in intense waves. Fangs pierced her skin, a quick-vanishing sting at her neck. Dante drank her in with a low growl, his fingers squeezing and teasing her nipples. Pleasure spiraled through her in quick, ever-tightening loops..."

 

Bravo! These scenes were so "real," so emotionally intense without coming across as porn or sugary romance. I L-O-V-E your writing style! Do you have difficulty writing these scenes?

 

2. I was talking about Dante's enigmatic appeal earlier. This excerpt from page 328 describes that appeal perfectly:

 

"What is it with you? You piss me off and scare the sh!t outta me and get me hot all at the same frickin' time."

 

3. SPOILER – At the novel's end, what a great way to ruin a NIN t-shirt!

 

4. Any nebulous teasers as far as Book Four goes? (Pretty pleeaaasssseeee....)

 

Paul

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paulgoatallen wrote:

Okay Adrian, I see that you've caught up. (and I hope you're feeling better!) Here are some more comments and questions for you....

 

1. It's really hard to write "good" sex scenes – that is, that middle ground between too sappy and too graphic. I forget which author said this but she stated the two hardest things to write well are comedy scenes and sex scenes... Well, you definitely know how to write sex scenes! I mean – WOW – just perfect. The scenes on page 326 and 354 were just brilliantly written:

 

"Heather gasped, pleasure fluttering through her belly in intense waves. Fangs pierced her skin, a quick-vanishing sting at her neck. Dante drank her in with a low growl, his fingers squeezing and teasing her nipples. Pleasure spiraled through her in quick, ever-tightening loops..."

 

Bravo! These scenes were so "real," so emotionally intense without coming across as porn or sugary romance. I L-O-V-E your writing style! Do you have difficulty writing these scenes?

 

2. I was talking about Dante's enigmatic appeal earlier. This excerpt from page 328 describes that appeal perfectly:

 

"What is it with you? You piss me off and scare the sh!t outta me and get me hot all at the same frickin' time."

 

3. SPOILER – At the novel's end, what a great way to ruin a NIN t-shirt!

 

4. Any nebulous teasers as far as Book Four goes? (Pretty pleeaaasssseeee....)

 

Paul


 

 

Hi Paul,

 

I'm feeling much better, all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed (sheesh! i'm a squirrel), thanks! And wow, more awesome questions! Okay . . .

 

1. Thanks so much! I agree that sex scenes can be hard to write for the reasons you listed above - finding that middle ground between sappy and graphic. My focus is that sensuality you mentioned in an earlier post; I want the sex scenes to be sensual, erotic, emotional, and smoldering with a heat that flashes over into a white-hot inferno.

 

I want to show Dante and Heather's hunger for each other on all levels.

 

It's a relief to know that I succeeded! I think as an author, you're too close to judge how well you hit it. It's not that the sex scenes are difficult to write so much as they take me longer to write. I take my time with them to make sure (hopefully) that they're where they should be. My emotions get wrapped up in these scenes too. if that makes sense. LOL.

 

2. LOL! Annie nailed it! :smileyhappy:

 

3.  Thanks!

 

4. Nebulous teasers . . . Annie finds herself in a situation she could never have predicted, one that will see her lose all control of her life; the Fallen statues will arrive in Alexandria and into the wrong hands; someone will descend into the cave at Damascus and discover just what is singing "Holy, holy, holy," in the darkness, Dante repairs the damage to the cemetery (think about that); Heather fights for Dante's sanity and a life for them together and one for herself AND she has to face the fact that she just might have to share Dante with another person, the second bonding partner; war is brewing between the SB and the FBI, among all the levels of the Fallen, including the half-mortal nephilim, and between the vampire orders - all over Dante.

 

And Dante will be betrayed.

 

 

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Okay I almost had a heart attack. Heather might have to share Dante with another person? Seriously? My mind automatically went to the gutter. I had to take a big breath and think that it might not be so bad. It has to be some sort of platonic relationship right, maybe like a mentor role? Right? I might need some reassurance here Adrian, lol.

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rikera wrote:

Okay I almost had a heart attack. Heather might have to share Dante with another person? Seriously? My mind automatically went to the gutter. I had to take a big breath and think that it might not be so bad. It has to be some sort of platonic relationship right, maybe like a mentor role? Right? I might need some reassurance here Adrian, lol.


 

Sorry about that! Definitely don't want you having a heart attack! But I'm going to be evil and not offer any reassurances.  I can tell you though, that Dante doesn't want to be bonded to another individual (mortal, nightkind or Fallen) - even if it might keep him sane and balanced. He will want to find another way.

 

 

With that kind of bond, trust me, the other individual would involve sex in the realtionship or would try to, at least. Imagine yourself bonded - with that level of intimacy - to someone like Dante. Would you keep it platonic?

 

Believe me, Heather doesn't want to share Dante. She will resist the idea of another bond and, like Dante, seek another way to keep him balanced.

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Here is the link to my review at Bitten by Books:

 

http://bittenbybooks.com/?p=17029

 

I'll be back soon.

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Can I just say that what I know is singing "holy, holy, holy" in the pit in Damascus just REALLY creeps me out?

 

And as for Dante' being betrayed (again) ... it breaks my heart.

 

::sigh::

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Chomp wrote:

Here is the link to my review at Bitten by Books:

 

http://bittenbybooks.com/?p=17029

 

I'll be back soon.

Carol


 

Thanks for the incredible review, Carol!

 

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DBReynolds wrote:

Can I just say that what I know is singing "holy, holy, holy" in the pit in Damascus just REALLY creeps me out?

 

And as for Dante' being betrayed (again) ... it breaks my heart.

 

::sigh::


 

To be honest, it breaks my heart too. One positive is that he's an adult this time and he's not alone.

 

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SciFiCanuck wrote:

Ooooooooh, I can't wait to read your new book!! 

 

I would like to see a book about Lucien...maybe how he met Genevieve and how they fell in love!  Basically how it all started.  :-)

 

I loved the pants issue with Dante and Heather, LOL!  At least she was finally able to them off herself!


I have plans to do a book(s) about Lucien that would not only show how he met Genevieve and fell in love, but where he was for the first eighteen years of Dante's life (unaware that he even had a child or that Genevieve had been murdered). It would also show Lucien participating in different eras throughout history, interspersed with his life in Gehenna and the events leading to his murder of Yahweh.
The pants issue was fun! :smileywink: And, yup, Heather finally had her way.

 

 


 

Ooooooh, that would be awesome!  I never even though about that part...especially what lead to Yahweh's death.  Looking forward to that!  :-D

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Adrian_Phoenix wrote:

 

 

4. Nebulous teasers . . . Annie finds herself in a situation she could never have predicted, one that will see her lose all control of her life; the Fallen statues will arrive in Alexandria and into the wrong hands; someone will descend into the cave at Damascus and discover just what is singing "Holy, holy, holy," in the darkness, Dante repairs the damage to the cemetery (think about that); Heather fights for Dante's sanity and a life for them together and one for herself AND she has to face the fact that she just might have to share Dante with another person, the second bonding partner; war is brewing between the SB and the FBI, among all the levels of the Fallen, including the half-mortal nephilim, and between the vampire orders - all over Dante.

 

And Dante will be betrayed.

 

 


Okay OMG!  Knowing all this, it's definiltey going to be HARDER to wait until December !!  I'm curious to know who ends up with those statues?  There are so many "wrong hands" in the SB now I can't even guess!  That threeintoone creature....yeah I'm half expecting it to eat anyone that goes down there, LOL!   Oh and that second bonding partner...wow I'm dying to know who that will be!  So you're saying they will also need to have sex with Dante?  Probably a bad idea...I think Heahter would rip their head off!  So many more twists, turns and surprises coming up by the sounds of things.  It's like seeing that HUGE shock or cliff-hanger at the end of your favorite show, then having to wait almost a year for the new episode.  Kind of like Dexter. LOL!

 

As for the betrayal...yeah same sentiments here as everyone else.  :smileysad:  I just hope it's not Trey or someone REALLY close to him.  That would be awful.

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SciFiCanuck wrote:

 

 Okay OMG!  Knowing all this, it's definiltey going to be HARDER to wait until December !!  I'm curious to know who ends up with those statues?  There are so many "wrong hands" in the SB now I can't even guess!  That threeintoone creature....yeah I'm half expecting it to eat anyone that goes down there, LOL!   Oh and that second bonding partner...wow I'm dying to know who that will be!  So you're saying they will also need to have sex with Dante?  Probably a bad idea...I think Heahter would rip their head off!  So many more twists, turns and surprises coming up by the sounds of things.  It's like seeing that HUGE shock or cliff-hanger at the end of your favorite show, then having to wait almost a year for the new episode.  Kind of like Dexter. LOL!

 

As for the betrayal...yeah same sentiments here as everyone else.  :smileysad:  I just hope it's not Trey or someone REALLY close to him.  That would be awful.


 

 

I know what you mean about the long wait for the next episode/book/movie after a cliff hanger ending. Sorry about that! :smileywink:

 

Well . . . this potential second partner wouldn't so much need to have sex with Dante as want to. Of course, with Heather bonded to Dante, this second potential partner would want her as well. And you're absolutely right about Heather's reaction to anything like that.

 

As for the betrayal, yeah, it'd be bad if it was someone close to Dante. And which would be worse - a deliberate betrayal or an unintended one?

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Okay, Adrian, let's talk about cover art. We've talked about this before – and I've discussed it with numerous other authors – but there seems to be a weird "disconnect" in American publishers when it comes to paranormal fantasy releases. (Check out this thread about Marjorie Liu's European Hunter Kiss covers –http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Paranormal-Urban-Fantasy/Marjorie-Liu-s-Hunter-Kiss-saga-rele....)

 

Compared to European covers, the American cover art for paranormal fantasy is, in my opinion, sadly lacking. God knows I L-O-V-E your The Maker's Song saga but I have to admit that I was pretty disappointed when I saw the cover for Beneath the Skin. I mean, this is one of the COOLEST series out there – and Dante is arguably one of the biggest male protags in the genre next to LKH's Jean Claude – but none of that translates to the cover. I'll admit it – I don't know who is on the cover! It's soooo formulaic – chick in leather pants holding a gun with tattoos.... as I was reading BtS there were literally dozens of AWESOME scenes that could've made fantastic covers!

 

What's up with the "playing it safe" cover art philosophy of American publishers? The UK's Orbit Books, for example, does fantastic, out-of-the-box covers and I'm loving what they're doing with some upcoming covers as well!

 

I'd love to see the next cover either have Heather and Dante togeher or a cool action scene....but that's just my two cents!

 

Paul

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ANAGRAMS

 

ADRIAN PHOENIX = HIP RADIO ANNEX

DANTE BAPTISTE = TITAN ABED PETS, BAD PANTIE TEST

HEATHER WALLACE = A HEARTACHE WELL, WHAT LACE HEALER

LUCIEN DE NOIR = UNCOILED REIN, OLDEN ICE RUIN

 

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paulgoatallen wrote:

Okay, Adrian, let's talk about cover art. We've talked about this before – and I've discussed it with numerous other authors – but there seems to be a weird "disconnect" in American publishers when it comes to paranormal fantasy releases. (Check out this thread about Marjorie Liu's European Hunter Kiss covers –http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Paranormal-Urban-Fantasy/Marjorie-Liu-s-Hunter-Kiss-saga-rele....)

 

Compared to European covers, the American cover art for paranormal fantasy is, in my opinion, sadly lacking. God knows I L-O-V-E your The Maker's Song saga but I have to admit that I was pretty disappointed when I saw the cover for Beneath the Skin. I mean, this is one of the COOLEST series out there – and Dante is arguably one of the biggest male protags in the genre next to LKH's Jean Claude – but none of that translates to the cover. I'll admit it – I don't know who is on the cover! It's soooo formulaic – chick in leather pants holding a gun with tattoos.... as I was reading BtS there were literally dozens of AWESOME scenes that could've made fantastic covers!

 

What's up with the "playing it safe" cover art philosophy of American publishers? The UK's Orbit Books, for example, does fantastic, out-of-the-box covers and I'm loving what they're doing with some upcoming covers as well!

 

I'd love to see the next cover either have Heather and Dante togeher or a cool action scene....but that's just my two cents!

 

Paul


I love Marjorie Liu's Hunter Kiss series and those covers kick major ass!
Paul, you're so right about American publishers playing it safe with covers and sticking to a basic formula - tattooed chick in sexy clothes holding a weapon. For a long time, the chick was shown from behind, face hidden. (Look at the cover for A Rush of Wings - no face.)
After A Rush of Wings sold, I gave my editor all kinds of ideas for the cover (not that she'd asked, lol) and I so wanted Dante on the cover, I had a ton of ideas. I was told my ideas were appreciated, but no to having a male on the cover. The reason? Marketing had reached the conclusion that books with females on the covers sold better than books with males on the covers. (That doesn't seem to figure into what draws me to a book cover, but . . .)
Given some of the awful covers I've seen on books in the past, I've been pleased that the covers for my books look good and *do* draw readers, but I'm with you - I don't know who is on the cover. LOL. With A Rush of Wings, I decided maybe it was Heather dressed for undercover work with a fake tattoo and let it go at that. With In the Blood, I thought the woman on the cover could be Caterina Cortini even though that's not how she'd dress and not how I visualized her, but she sure as hell wasn't Heather.
With Beneath the Skin, I was asked for input on the background, which excited me. (I was asked for background suggestions for Black Dust Mambo too. They used my ideas - including the bottles hanging from the tree). Action sequences were no-go and I still couldn't have Dante on the cover. Like you, I was hoping for Dante and Heather together. I came up with the cemetery background (and I had a lot more details added in that weren't used.) The woman's hair is redder than in the previous books, so I pretended we were moving closer to Heather.
The covers are well-done, but safe, and don't represent the characters. My one big disappointment has been not having Dante on any of the covers. I still hope that'll change and maybe he can be on the next book with Heather.I have a feeling that decision rests with marketing. If marketing hadn't liked my book titles, those would've been changed too.
In seeking ways to attract readers to new books, originality in the cover art seems to have fallen by the wayside in favor of the tried-and-true, even though that means so many urban fantasy books are hard to tell apart at a glance. And I can't help but think that people WOULD pick up the book with a sexy guy in leather and bondage collar in an action scene, or whirling for a low and blow in a low and dirty fight (like with Ronin - or any of the scenes with E, or what about with Lucien in St Louis Cathedral or . . . ) or Dante and Heather back to back, fighting bad guys.
I'll keep hoping. I'd love to see Dante and Heather both on the cover and I've heard that from many readers too.

 

 

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paulgoatallen wrote:

ANAGRAMS

 

ADRIAN PHOENIX = HIP RADIO ANNEX

DANTE BAPTISTE = TITAN ABED PETS, BAD PANTIE TEST

HEATHER WALLACE = A HEARTACHE WELL, WHAT LACE HEALER

LUCIEN DE NOIR = UNCOILED REIN, OLDEN ICE RUIN

 


 

OMG!! Laughing so hard here!! BAD PANTIE TEST!! (And what would that be comprised of? I can only imagine!)

 

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Adrian_Phoenix wrote: And I can't help but think that people WOULD pick up the book with a sexy guy in leather and bondage collar in an action scene, or whirling for a low and blow in a low and dirty fight (like with Ronin - or any of the scenes with E, or what about with Lucien in St Louis Cathedral or . . . ) or Dante and Heather back to back, fighting bad guys.

 

 


Adrian:
Sold.
It's just unbelievable to me that the person on the cover isn't even recognizable! You know as well as I do, the publishing industry is tight right now and in my mind playing it safe is a loser's mentality. Go big or go home. Let's see Dante sprouting wings through his NIN t-shirt or biting/kissing/sucking Heather from behind! Can I get a witness?!?
Paul

 

 

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And Adrian, thanks again for your wonderful candidness, as always. It's an absolute pleasure – and honor – to have you here.

 

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