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08-08-2008 09:01 AM
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08-08-2008 11:40 AM
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08-08-2008 01:27 PM
TiggerBear wrote:
I think her more vehement detractors should wait until the Anita Blake cycle is finished before they start throwing her under the bus. As a huge fan of this series, I can also see it from the readers' perspective – in some of her recent releases, the overall story arc has slowly dramatically and I think there's a lot of readers out there who are just dying to push fast forward. Hopefully, in the end, both LKH and her fans will be more than satisfied at the saga's conclusion...
Paul
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Under a bus!?!(shaking head) Come on now.
Personally I judge each book as it is released. So I too am waiting for the resolution.
Although I have sentenced her to NEVER getting another hardcover price dime out of me. That doesn't mean I don't still have hopes for the overall result.
I don't want to "push fast forward". I want her to stop writing about things that are basically useless, plot wise, as so many and so detailed sex scenes that are not part of the story per se or have any impact on it. I want her to start to write plot again, as she used to do, and I don't mind if , writing real plot, she takes another seventy books to end the series, as long as there is STORY on them. When a book is 3/4 part (uncreative, boring, schematic) sex, and 1/4 plot, then the author has a problem.
It's either that her creativity has waned, and she doesn't know what to write anymore, or she has gotten greedy and want to stretch the series beyond its natural ending, so, she add fillers (these so boring sex scenes that adds NOTHING to the story arc).
She had a golden opportunity in Blood Noir. There were seeds of good, interesting plot there. But she lost time with all that whining, all that "lets fight again Richard", let's show again how Richard cannot live without her, etc. (Let's be clear about this, I don't like Richard, have never liked him, and personally, I would have liked him out of the picture since Burnt Offerings. Lately, he is even more pathetic, and I'd like him dead, once and for all, and yeah, I know, it's impossible for the damage he'd cause to the triumvirate, but I still harbor some hope).
For example, the whole ending in BN was rushed, while could have been an excellent subplot in itself. I mean, we have lots of pages devoted to dealing with bodyguards, old friends that don't add or subtract anything to the arc, and then, in a few pages, they are kidnapped by a human servant, and almost killed. Then she saves the day. I would have liked to see that angle developed.
There were many exciting things, that were just illusions of an interesting twist coming. A twist that never was, aborted almost from the moment it was on page.
Like always, she left hanging lots of threads that could have been explored and would have been great stuff, focusing instead of aspects that didn't add anything to the story arc. *shakes head* That's what makes me very sad. All that potential for good stories, wasted in the rush to deliver within the deadline of the editors.
There were things there that didn't need to be there at all, or that could have been solved with a lot less pages. Other parts should have been developed instead.
I didn't buy it, just read it, and as long as she is acting in this vein, I won't buy any more books from her. I'm still deciding if I will follow the series to its conclusion at all, I'm that frustrated.
It's her right to write the books as she wants to. But as a customer, if she doesn't deliver the product I expect, then it's my right to stop bothering with her books. I don't see any point in rewarding her by buying books that aren't good enough to be in my shelves. I have been patient and have given her the benefit of the doubt for several books now, and she disappointed me in a serious way.
There are lots of people like me, and there are lots of new readers that think her books are just cool the way they are. Kudos to them, and good for her to find a new readership, while the oldies leave her readers' ranks. I'm just sad that I invested so much on this series to finally find it so unappealing as of late.
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08-08-2008 05:58 PM
lilithesque wrote:Have any of you LKH fans read Nightseer? If so, did you like it?
I did. I really did. I love the way demons and their power is in that world. It has been a year or so since I read it but I never see it discussed. It was LKH's first novel and there are some short stories from that world in Strange candy.
I would love another book from that world.
Lily
I've seen it but haven't picked it up yet...wasn't sure if it would be good or not but sounds like it could be a good right so I just might some time soon. :-)
Yeah Strange Candy is another one I definitely want to purchase as well....
Current book(s): Unholy Magic by Stacia Kane (Downside Ghosts #2)
Just finished: Fair Game by Patricia Briggs (Alpha & Omega #3)
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08-08-2008 06:25 PM
*If you're not even done with 3/4 of Blood Noir you won't want to read this.*
With certain points I agree with Nemhaim. Yes, there were many parts within Blood Noir where LKH could have invested a lot of time with some important storyline. Now the whole thing with the weretigers...was unnecessary. It just seems that more and more is building on Anita's plate but when will she ever have time to resolve it? Maybe just one thing at least? The moment it seems she has something under control, there doesn't even need to be a situation where her "previous problem" flares to life again. Now we have yet another bipolar Richard scene where all he needed to do was deliver news from home and leave. Instead he builds another power? Great.
Maybe I'm just ranting here but Obsidian Butterfly was, I think, the best book before the sex really became too much of an issue. I'm still a loyal reader, don't get me wrong, but I loved Blood Noir until Mairmee of all hell destroyed everything. I also believe the ending was rushed. Getting to see the many sides of Jason I will never stop enjoying though.
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08-09-2008 06:09 PM - last edited on 08-09-2008 06:40 PM
I do not want to fast forward or have her stop writing about what some to believe is not plot related. What I think some see as lack of plot, I as well as many others, believe is brilliant character development. There are so many different dynamic individuals in her stories. They all react and feel real emotions in a way that I can personally relate to. It makes it imposable not to let each of them capture a piece of your heart throughout both series.
I can honestly say that I have never been disappointed in a single book I have read by LKH. A Lick of Frost was awesome, though it shattered my tear threshold and has me sitting on the edge of my seat biting my nails till Nov. The Harlequin is imo one of the best books in the Anita series next to The Killing Dance and a few others. I really enjoyed Blood Noir. Jean Claude was greatly missed, as he always is when he is not on center stage, but it was Jason's book. I completely thought the scene with the weretigers was necessary. Anita is becoming more powerful than she can imagine. Mommy Dearest knows just how powerful and shows that by using it to her full advantage to send a call out through Anita to the entire country maybe farther. Mommy Dearest will only want more, she will ahh, ok I'll stop, no more spoilers. One of the other weretigers scenes that you might be referring to is just as important for the same reason, power.
I like that LKH doesnt conform to what a lot of people complain about in the later part of the Anita series and throughout the Merry Gentry books. I like that she lets her characters live their lives the way that they choose regardless of others opinions. In this world and in Anita and Merrys world crap happens. In fact it normally builds up on itself then comes in storms. It is the way that each individul reacts to the situation that ends up being the important part. I know is ok to be happy with what you are and to fight like heck to keep it and the ones that you care about most safe.
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08-10-2008 03:44 AM
lilithesque wrote:Have any of you LKH fans read Nightseer? If so, did you like it?
I did. I really did. I love the way demons and their power is in that world. It has been a year or so since I read it but I never see it discussed. It was LKH's first novel and there are some short stories from that world in Strange candy.
I would love another book from that world.
Lily
Yet another waste of a good world creation. The book is great. But she tossed this world aside and wasted it.
I do think this is LKH worst trait. The creation of beautiful worlds, characters, ect.. and then tossing them aside like tissue paper.
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08-10-2008 07:22 PM
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08-10-2008 07:29 PM
TiggerBear wrote:
lilithesque wrote:Have any of you LKH fans read Nightseer? If so, did you like it?
I did. I really did. I love the way demons and their power is in that world. It has been a year or so since I read it but I never see it discussed. It was LKH's first novel and there are some short stories from that world in Strange candy.
I would love another book from that world.
Lily
Yet another waste of a good world creation. The book is great. But she tossed this world aside and wasted it.
I do think this is LKH worst trait. The creation of beautiful worlds, characters, ect.. and then tossing them aside like tissue paper.
If so, how can you say that Merry, Anita, Jean Claude, Edward, Micah, Nathaniel, Jason, Damian, Richard, Frost, Doyle, and many, many countless other characters are tossed aside like tissue paper?? I don't understand, we learn so much about each and every one of these characters how can she not make you care about them? And the worlds they live in are only too vivid too me, and I still see them clearly throught the story lines. So I'm just curious as to what you mean, I guess.
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08-10-2008 07:57 PM
whit_rigg wrote:
So just out of curiousity, does this so called "trait" travel into the worlds of Merry and Anita?........
TiggerBear wrote:
lilithesque wrote:Have any of you LKH fans read Nightseer? If so, did you like it?
I did. I really did. I love the way demons and their power is in that world. It has been a year or so since I read it but I never see it discussed. It was LKH's first novel and there are some short stories from that world in Strange candy.
I would love another book from that world.
Lily
Yet another waste of a good world creation. The book is great. But she tossed this world aside and wasted it.
I do think this is LKH worst trait. The creation of beautiful worlds, characters, ect.. and then tossing them aside like tissue paper.
If so, how can you say that Merry, Anita, Jean Claude, Edward, Micah, Nathaniel, Jason, Damian, Richard, Frost, Doyle, and many, many countless other characters are tossed aside like tissue paper?? I don't understand, we learn so much about each and every one of these characters how can she not make you care about them? And the worlds they live in are only too vivid too me, and I still see them clearly throught the story lines. So I'm just curious as to what you mean, I guess.
(shaking head) Ok, right you haven't read my earlier posts. (sigh) Look skip back to them, if you really don't understand what I'm talking about. I'll explain.
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08-11-2008 08:46 AM
I know exactly how you feel TiggerBear. They actually have to go through 10 pages to understand where our comments are coming from.(shaking head) Ok, right you haven't read my earlier posts. (sigh) Look skip back to them, if you really don't understand what I'm talking about. I'll explain.
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08-11-2008 03:52 PM
This can be a bit like deep space communication – I've posted comments and waited weeks for a reply and by then I'm like, "what did I say again?"
Paul
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08-11-2008 05:51 PM
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08-12-2008 12:45 AM
Tigger:
I think that's it – new posters just read the last few posts. I see lots of questions that have already been answered a few pages back... no biggy though, I love talking about this stuff.
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08-12-2008 06:48 PM
Honestly, I read this entire thread before making my last post. I was responding to recent posts, but had knowledge of all of the prior post regarding the same subject of character development vs plot. I also know that not everyone takes the time to read every post in a long thread, so I tried to expand my points to more than just saying I agree with one side or another.
I understand that a lot of people see other parts of her story that could be expanded upon much more. There are lots of loose threads of ideas that can and possibly will be developed more. Some say it would be more erotic if some of the sex scenes were shorter and we could use more of our imagination. I think that point could be used in reverse to keep the books as they are now. We should use our imaginations to fill in the other threads as we continue through these series. Don't get me wrong I have plenty of my own questions to ask LKH if I ever get the chance, but that does not make her books any less enjoyable to me. Oh, wait I just might get a chance to ask some of those questions when LKH is center stage here at the end of the month, right?
*****SPOILERS*******
***Do not read if you haven't read the entire series up to date***
paulgoatallen wrote earlier in this thread "Think about this: how does this series end?"
This is how I imagined it. I do not have any additional inside sources or anything like that, just my own thoughts and observations.
I think that Mommy Dearest will be the final major battle, but I think a lot of things need to happen before that. There will have to be a least one book devoted to the death of Belle Morte. Belle's death will make JC have to strengthen his allies within the US. He may possibly start his own council here, not by choice but from lack of other alternatives. The councils will have some spectacular decisive battle for the loyalty of all vampire kind. Mommy dearest will make sure that JC and Anitas side wins because that is were her new found interests lie.
Richard has swapped (not added) Anita's rage for the ardeur which I think will make him a lot calmer in the future. It will allow him to deal with the inevitable future outing of what he is, the loss of his "normal" life being a teacher, and to give up on his dream of a white picket fence reality. Only after Richard has lost everything "normal" in his life will he be able to accept who he is and what Anita and JC mean to him. He has to be united with them for the final battle. I am toying with the idea of him finding another woman nearly as awesome as Anita to fall in love with, but I'm not sure.
Anita will fianlly get a better grasp on her abilities. First, she needs someone that is not addicted to her ardeur or metaphysically tied to her that she can feed her ardeur on. In my imagination that is London, though it most likely is and will be Requiem. Next she will need to add more wereanimals to her inner beasts that are not feline. Both rat and hyena should do the trick but swan is another possible option. She will also find an animal to call for both tigers, the rat and the hyena. Haven will be allowed into her life a little closer in order to secure thier bond. Anita has the ability duplicate a power that a master vampire has used on her for a short period of time after that power has been used. This will be one of her greatest assets in the future battles to come.
Like Merry, Anita will realize she still loves all of them, but naturally people have different kinds of love for different individuals. So, Anita will finally admit to herself that she has only one true love, JC. They will grow exponentially stronger together by this one realization, this one wall breaking, and of course the 4th mark.
I don't know if I want it to happen, but someone very close to Anita will die. This is the final motive needed to push Anita and her triumvirates over the last power plateau to be able to defeat Belle Morte and eventually Mommy Dearest. I have given a lot of thought to who this should be and know my answer. I am curious to others thoughts on this one before I state who I think it should be and get yelled at.
Wow I could go on and on, but I will restrain myself for the sake of you all. LKH will probably take the series in a number of different directions that could have absolutly nothing to do with what I have imagined, that is up to her. I am confidant that whatever happens in the future of the Anita series, I will be waiting to read it with great excitment and anticipation.
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08-13-2008 09:19 AM
Auana said: Oh, wait I just might get a chance to ask some of those questions when LKH is center stage here at the end of the month, right?
And if anyone out there wants to post a question here, I just might use it when I interview LKH at DragonCon... I'm getting VERY excited!!
Jeanne
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08-13-2008 11:45 AM
JeanneStein wrote:Auana said: Oh, wait I just might get a chance to ask some of those questions when LKH is center stage here at the end of the month, right?
And if anyone out there wants to post a question here, I just might use it when I interview LKH at DragonCon... I'm getting VERY excited!!
Jeanne
We are very excited about that panel, as well, Jeanne. ![]()
Carol
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08-13-2008 07:53 PM - last edited on 08-13-2008 07:55 PM
Jeanne, that is awesome that you get to interview LKH at DraonCon! I'd be wicked excited too. I can't wait for her to stop by New England some time.
I am hoping to get some of my questions answered by LKH here in the B&N Book Club when she is on center stage. I checked and the threads were just posted today. I'm so excited, but I still have to decide what I want to ask. I can't wait to see what she what she will say to everyones questions.
Here are the links to Center Stage August 25-29: Laurell K. Hamilton
Center Stage August 25-29: Laurell K. Hamilton
Laurell K. Hamilton's Latest: Blood Noir
Laurell K. Hamilton: The Books
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08-14-2008 08:08 AM
Thanks for posting the threads-- for sure I'll be hanging out there, too!!
And to Carol (and Derek)-- can't wait to see you!
Jeanne
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08-15-2008 01:27 PM
paulgoatallen wrote:This can be a bit like deep space communication – I've posted comments and waited weeks for a reply and by then I'm like, "what did I say again?"
Paul
I agree.
I'm personally waiting for Anita to have to show all of her abilities in front of all her human associates. Those she works with at the firm and especially Zerbrowski and Dolph. It all goes to where she finally blurred the lines between who the monsters really were. Dolph already has a problem keeping himself in check around her. Jeez, he even practically assaulted her in Cerulean Sins and openly has an issue with her choice of bedfellows but I wonder what how ballistic he'll go when he finds out about everything. Zerbrowski is more accepting, just look at what he says in Incubus Dreams about Jean Claude. He's such a sweetie.