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01-07-2012 01:20 AM
My books don't sell as well on BN as on Amazon, which I think is a shame. So many people bought Nooks. Aren't they buying books? Or are they buying something besides the kind of books I write? A friend said her erotic books sell better on BN than on Amazon, but I don't write erotic. I write fairly mild romantic suspense. Although I'm doing okay on Amazon, I'm disappointed with my sales on BN.
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01-07-2012 09:21 AM
my sales are about 1 to 3 kindle and have picked after Christmas, did you buy your own book to get the ball rolling, also i books are revamping this month so hopefully it will be easier to join them with out having to go through smashwords, exciting times.
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01-07-2012 12:47 PM
My sales have been running 3:1 or 4:1 in favor of Nook. I don't know why, and this has been true for months. I sold 53 copies of my books for Nook in December, and 16 for Kindle (including International sales, for which I will likely never see a penny because of the threshold one must reach before being paid for them).
B&N PubIt has been *good* to me. Amazon is NOT being good to me. So use that datapoint any way you like.
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01-08-2012 01:07 PM
Hmmm. So maybe there IS a reporting problem?
Suddenly my figure for November is almost twice what it used to be. Only, when I switch to a detail view, suddenly it's back to the same lower figure.
So maybe there are sales coming from other channels that are counted in the aggregate but not yet broken out into detail? Or is this just another glitch?
The proof of course will come at payment time. In the meanwhile, some updates from the Powers That Be would certainly be good.
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01-10-2012 09:08 PM
Oops... My bad. Those were my paid figures, not my sold figures.
(Had a cold for much of last week... Not my clearest thinking week.)
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"Monologues for Teens and Twenties", "How to Kill a Peacock", "Paris Poems", "August Zang and the French Croissant", "Suicide Monologues for Actors and Others", etc.
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02-16-2012 11:31 PM
Granted, I have not yet put my short story on any other site but I have sold nearly a hundred copies of my title on B&N and I barely do any marketing. Really all the marketing I did was in the beginning when I was really excited about having my first published work out there. I had a surge in sale on B&N near the end of last year it has died down now but I don't mind. I love B&N!
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February
Here is my Nook experience. I published all my titles on Nook at the very beginning, I think it was October of 2010. At first they didn't seem to be selling very well. But then lo and behold, after a month or two, (sometime around late December, early January 2011) B&N had discovered they had some sort of reporting glitch, and began crediting sales for preceding months that had been missed. All the way back to October 2010, my sales were suddenly about equal with my sales on Amazon. The Amazon/Nook ratio was about the same until sometime near the middle of last year (2011), when sales of my Nook titles began to take a nosedive, until late in the year, sales were barely a tenth of what they had been. Finally, last December when Amazon rolled out Kindle Select, I decided to abandon B&N and put everything exclusively on Amazon. There seemed to be no point in staying with Nook, since sales were so poor.
Compare to Amazon. I started publishing on Kindle back in late 2007, early 2008, as soon as they opened up the KDP, or DTP as it was called back then. Sales began slow, but quickly picked up. Every year, my sales on Kindle have at least tripled, sometimes more, over the preceding year, and 2012 is starting out to be my best year ever on Kindle.
I am perfectly willing to accept the possibility that people with Nooks simply aren't interested in reading my books. Maybe in that first half year, I tapped out my audience on Nook and so my sales vanished. But I just don't believe it. After Barnes and Noble's initial fiasco with reporting sales, I wasn't sure how trustworthy their reporting was. And then after reading threads where lots of other indie publishers were experiencing the same sales dropoff issue, I decided the sales dropoff had to be due to something Barnes and Noble was doing.I think all the evidence points to something on their end, not on my end.
I don't think they're inaccurately reporting sales. I think the sales dropoff has occurred because they have somehow made indie books less visible in their store. I know before I pulled my titles, when I searched for them, they didn't show up half the time. I would type in my exact pen name, and only a handful of my titles would show up. Or I would type in an exact title, and it wouldn't show up.
I think they've probably done something to supress indie titles in searches, at the behest of the major mainstream publishing companies.
To summarize: I don't think there is a reporting issue. I think there's an issue with a reader's ability to both search directly for indie titles and authors, and to stumble across indie titles.
People don't have trouble finding me or my titles on Amazon. But I think they have do have trouble finding me on B&N, and I think they're having that trouble because B&N deliberately did something to make it difficult, sometime near the middle of last year. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but that's what I believe. I think B&N ran into the Big 6 in a dark alley somewhere, and were threatened into sabotaging the indie publishing revolution.
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February
That's so weird.
I feel the same way about Amazon. They seem like they are surpressing, or hiding, my books somehow.
I think it just depends on the type of book you have as to which device will sell more.
I have at minimum 10 times the sales on the Nook as I do on the Kindle. Typically it's more like 15-20 times the sales though.
On a given month, I will have 10-12 sales on the Kindle and well over 200 on the Nook.
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February
I don't think as many people own Nooks as own Kindles. You have to take that into account when evaluating your sales.
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March
I have eight books out on both Kindle and Nook. My Kindle sales are approximately fifty times more then my Nook sales. For the last three months I have not had a single sale on Nook, while my Kindle sales have increased. All eight books are identical in every respect including price and description on both services.
About the only explanation I can come up with is that Kindle, ie, Amazon, has the lion's share of the market. There could be a reporting problem I guess, but a company with the reputation that B&N has would not allow that to continue if there was one. To me it is an unlikely situation.
I pretty much agree with the statement made by someone earlier in this conservation, maybe Nook readers just aren't interested in my books. I have a Western, some SF, a Horror novel, an Apocalyptic Series, and a couple of books of short stories, one mixed genre and one pure SF.
I have a few reviews on Nook, all of which are five star, and several on Kindle, also which are all five star. (I guess I've been lucky as the Thrashers haven't hit me yet.)
If someone could find out a reason for the sales difference being so large for many of us between the two services I would really like to hear it. But I seriously doubt we will ever know.
With Amazon and IDP now in a *^%$$#& contest, I wonder what will happen to our sales there, too.
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March
I think this sort of thing would happen in any market in any store.
If you are an independent distributor trying to sell something in Wal-Mart and Target, let's say a new car wash system. Do you honestly think the sales in each store would be identical? There is just a certain demographic that goes to certain stores and maybe the demographic that has Kindles hits right in the sweetspot of whatever you are trying to market.
Of course if you are a huge company such as Coke or Pepsi, sales would be similar in Walmart and Target. We are not a huge company. We are small change and do not have a nationally known brand. A lot of it will come down to what aisle we are on in the store, what other options are located next to us on that aisle, how high up or down on the shelf we are located. Who knows how many nuances go into it.
Like I said, I get 20 times more sales on the Nook.
We know that the Nook has sold at least over 3 million devices now I would guess. Heck, they have over a million people on Facebook that like the Nook. So, though Kindle has sold way more, the Nook does have a nice amount of devices from which people can purchase your books.
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March
My sales numbers are nowhere near yours, folks, but I see a disparity too - for B&N.
I sell consistently 3-4X as many copies for Nook as for Kindle. I have sold a few for Kobo and other e-readers through Smashwords, too, but they hardly count.
I don't know what the difference is. Amazon actually turns up both my titles when you search on my name, which is more than can be said for B&N. You cannot find my second book on B&N unless you know the title and search for that. There is no other way to get to it.
There may be more people with Kindles than Nooks, but you couldn't prove it by *my* sales.
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March
I think the pissing contest has gone way out of proportion and we authors are the ones caught in the middle.
When I first started with PubIt it was about the middle of 2010. At that time I started selling more titles on BN than on Amazon or Kindle. After a time I forked out the money to make sure my print books were sold on BN. But in August of 2011 a funny thing happened. There was a reporting glitch on KDP which wiped out some of the sales. Since then, sales on Amazon have dropped to near 0. And now, sales on BN have dropped to 0, too, and I have yet to know if BN sold anything in print since my distributor does not name sources, just units sold and royalties due. Lacking any accurate tracking data, I republished my ebooks to Smashwords. To date, Apple sales through Smashwords have jumped to 80% of my overall ebook sales. Since I do not engage in free giveaways and price my ebooks equally across the board, I don't see why I should lose any market share on the deal. However, I am limited as to the type of book I can place on Smashwords since SW has not upgraded its system to accept illustrated books and also books with file sizes greater than 5MB. Therefore SW cannot be counted as a better aggregator than either of the two giants.
But to date I have not been paid royalties for December sales, and since in aggregate net they are more than $10 I have yet to receive an adequate response from PubIt why I have not been paid.
At the moment I am considering removing my titles from the PubIt rolls if there are no further meaningful numbers in terms of sales. A poorly performing market is what it is, and I have better things to do than to worry about sales from day to day. If PubIt has ceased operations for indie authors than it had better state so, clearly, so that there is no more ambiguity.
Author of the Children of The Dragon vampire series
http://www.theresammoore.com/
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March
Oops, my bad. I was paid for December, on the 5th. I just checked my bank account. However, the payment transaction does not show up on my sales report.
Author of the Children of The Dragon vampire series
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March
Siince I last posted I have unpublished all but two titles from KDP and lowered the prices here. I have also lowered the prices for my printed books another dollar in proportion to their shelf age. I now cannot go any lower. Since KDP Select has sucked away all the ebook readers I have not had enough sales to stay confident with Amazon, and I have no plans to post any new titles there. It's Smashwords and PubIt for me, and I am thinking of exporting my print titles to Lightning Source if I don't see anymore print sales through CreateSpace. As it is, it is getting difficult to market the older titles anyway. I don't see any light at the end of this particular tunnel.
Cranking out books and throwing titles up against the wall to see what sticks is not the reason I write.
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March
The problem with this discussion is that most publishers have too few titles to arrive at statistically significant conclusions about the comparison between Kindle and Nook sales.
I have published several dozen titles on each, and I find that some books perform better on Kindle while others perform better on Nook -- I do not know why a book does better on one than the other, but suspect that it has to do with the differences between AMZN and BN's website search engines (i.e., a title that is easy to find on one site might be difficult to find on the other) as well as the difference in levels of competition in different niches on the respective platforms.
Because Amazon has higher sales volume over all, it should come as no surprise that I sell more total books on Kindle -- but Nook still represents an important and significant consumer base (and one that is increasingly overlooked by some self-publishers).
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March
I think it's overlooked because people don't realize B&N has a self publishing portal like KDP. Also the Pubit forum isn't the easiest(or at least it used to be hard) thing to find and if someone needs help publishing through Pubit, those are the same majority that might have a hard time finding this forum.
Anyday now Kobo's self publishing portal will open (though I'm curious to see how they handle the ISBN requirement) and be overlooked as well. I wish Apple would drop their "need an Apple computer running MACOS" requirement to use theirs.
SF
watac wrote:Because Amazon has higher sales volume over all, it should come as no surprise that I sell more total books on Kindle -- but Nook still represents an important and significant consumer base (and one that is increasingly overlooked by some self-publishers).
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March
I use Smashwords to get onto Kobo and Apple, and if B&N keeps doing such a poor job I may go through them for B&N too. I won't do business directly with Apple though because their terms are pretty much insane. You give up a LOT of rights to your work to do business with Apple. Also remember that Apple is the moving force behind the price fixing (fair trade) scandle that is now getting them sued.
In short, Apple engages in rather unethical business practices. Do you really want to deal with them directly? Not without a lawyer!
As for sales on the Nook, since the begining of the year my sales here have taken a nose dive, my romance novels are still doing okay, and from what I gather porn sells pretty well here too. The people who buy nooks tend to be women more than men. They also seem to be marketed at women more than men. So the demographic seems to be stories that women like sell better here on the Nook. So yeah, that's what I'm pandering to -here-.
Amazon's sales however are about 50 to 1 in my scifi, and 5 to 1 on the romance. Looking at those numbers a lot of authors I talk with are kicking B&N to the curb and going exclusive on Amazon so they can take place in the kindle select program, which to be honest, pays really really good if people pick your books. Also Amazon is still promoting the indies, where B&N seems to be ignoring them. Which is sad because I shop the local B&N all the time.
The current issues with pubit not working for days now also shows that B&N really doesn't seem to want us around anymore.
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March
I use Smashwords currently to get to everyone except Amazon and B&N. When Kobo opens theirs, assuming they don't have any requirements that would prohibit me from doing so, I will go direct through them too.
Your comment about going through Smashwords to reach B&N makes no sense to me, why would you pull your books from Pubit to put them back through Smashwords? Pulling them off B&N would take a day, maybe two. Put them through Smashwords, which their approval process is currently running something in the 2.5 week range, plus another week at least for it to get distributed out to B&N. Then you're on a quarterly payment plan instead of monthly (after the first 2 months). So you're probably at least 3 months out from your first payment and the reporting is seriously delayed and not even on any dependable schedule. (And depending on your book's price, you get paid less.)
Essentially I don't understand what switching to going through Smashwords gains for you on a retailer that you can go through directly much easier.
I've not seen Apple's ToS but I highly doubt you lose any rights to your work by going through them and short of seeing a copy of their ToS that says anything different I'm going to believe they're not the great satan your comment makes them out to be. Do I really want to deal with them directly? If it gets me real time sales updates and monthly payments - absoutely.
B&N sales .. I've not been able to figure them out either. They predictably jumped near the end of November after black friday. Then they predictably shot up in December and January after the gift giving holidays and have since slowed down a little bit for me, but they slowed down in proportion to how they've slowed down at Amazon since the holiday spike has ended. I don't have a reasoning for the people who used to experience high sales and now oddly have none - My best guess is B&N's search function being the way it is. (Unless something has changed) they have a title search, not a subject search. So if you're looking for books on quilting and you put "quilting" in the search box - you're only going to get books back with that in the title. Sort of makes selling fiction books difficult when the book typically doesn't have the genre or plot in the title.
And finally - I've not had any issue with Pubit recently(though I've not submitted any new book recently either). I'm not sure what your issue is. Are you submitting books in EPUB format or are you putting in DOC files etc ?
SF
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goldenstatewriter wrote:I use Smashwords to get onto Kobo and Apple, and if B&N keeps doing such a poor job I may go through them for B&N too. I won't do business directly with Apple though because their terms are pretty much insane. You give up a LOT of rights to your work to do business with Apple. Also remember that Apple is the moving force behind the price fixing (fair trade) scandle that is now getting them sued.
In short, Apple engages in rather unethical business practices. Do you really want to deal with them directly? Not without a lawyer!
As for sales on the Nook, since the begining of the year my sales here have taken a nose dive, my romance novels are still doing okay, and from what I gather porn sells pretty well here too. The people who buy nooks tend to be women more than men. They also seem to be marketed at women more than men. So the demographic seems to be stories that women like sell better here on the Nook. So yeah, that's what I'm pandering to -here-.
Amazon's sales however are about 50 to 1 in my scifi, and 5 to 1 on the romance. Looking at those numbers a lot of authors I talk with are kicking B&N to the curb and going exclusive on Amazon so they can take place in the kindle select program, which to be honest, pays really really good if people pick your books. Also Amazon is still promoting the indies, where B&N seems to be ignoring them. Which is sad because I shop the local B&N all the time.
The current issues with pubit not working for days now also shows that B&N really doesn't seem to want us around anymore.