Discuss the Epilogue

[shaycv]

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quidditchpro wrote:
Just curious, who else loves that Harry named his second son Albus Severus?

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I thought it was great!

[Jennie7998]

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agnijay wrote:
Who is Victoire?

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agnijay wrote:
Who is Victoire?

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Victoire is Bill & Fluer's daughter. I found it out reading an interview on msnbc.com. She really doesn't say that in the book.

[cutelilshorty8…]

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kraziekatie24 wrote:
i HATED the epilogue. i thought it was really bad and gave no actual description of what happened to anyone...beside harry, ginny, hermione, ron, draco, and neville. victiore is bill and fluer's daughter from comrehension. i really wanted more answers as to who does what and what happends to each character. oh well, though it was amazing and everything, but please, jo, more answers!!!

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i hated it too.. well only kinda.. it was to corny!!! i think it was written more as a crowd pleaser than reflecting JKR's amazing ability to weave an amazing plot.. but its also the PERFECT ending... perfect in the way that it leaves you hanging... i think she did that for few reasons.. firstly thats just her signature statement.. just so we know that shes the one who wrote it.. and also its cuz it cant be continued.. nobody else can finish her series.. it wouldn't fit.. we'd a.. know its fake.. ppl are always trying to complete these classics or books that will one day be classics... thats her way of putting a seal on her work..now nobody can touch it...

[Phoenix_Tears]

Draco disarmed Dumbledore when he burst throuh the tower door in OP with the Expelliarmus Spell (Harry notes that in the second it took Dumbledore to restrain Harry with the Petrificus Spell, he lost his edge to Malfoy and Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore)

[lldavids44]

and the thing i absolutely don't understand - how do the kids not know who harry is? he doesn't live in the cupboard under the stairs anymore, he works in the wizarding world and is married to a wizard and hangs out with wizards and nobody knows his stories except the kids at hogwarts, who would've told harry's first kid and HE would've told them!

[Psychee]

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lldavids44 wrote:
and the thing i absolutely don't understand - how do the kids not know who harry is? he doesn't live in the cupboard under the stairs anymore, he works in the wizarding world and is married to a wizard and hangs out with wizards and nobody knows his stories except the kids at hogwarts, who would've told harry's first kid and HE would've told them!

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It's nineteen years later... Voldemort has been gone and forgotten by the "media"... Harry's kids have probably been told once or twice, but it went in one ear and out the other, it happened way before they were born, they really have no personal context to put that heroism story into. To them, he's just "dad".

Harry himself has always been modest and never thought of himself as "special"; if you made a big deal about who he is to his face, he'd probably give all the credit to Dumbledore, Snape, Hermione, Ron, and Neville. He'd never encourage his kids to brag about their hero father. He'd tell them to brag about their Quidditch Queen mother...

So, it probably wasn't lack of information about his dad's past heroism that caused Albus Severus to wonder what everyone was staring at... he was wondering what the "big deal" was, why kids his age were hanging out of the train to get a good look at his parents; he didn't realize that their perceptions of his dad might be very different from his own....

[ladydesiree]

I definitely love the fact that Harry named his son Albus Severus especially after all the hate he had for snape and all the anger he was feeling at dumbledore in this last book

[ladydesiree]

Victoire is Bill and Fleur's daughter and I only know that because James mentioned it was his cousin and Victoire is a french name(I'm part French which is why I know its a French name) and it makes sense since she would have to be old enough to be with Ted who is nineteen at that time and that was the only other married couple in the weasley family at the time

[KellyHall]

I have not read Deathly Hollows but I was curious and read the epilogue first about half way through it I broke down and started crying and I'm not even sure why.

[ConnieAnnKirk]

Gee, Kelly--maybe it's because you realized after doing that that you may have really wanted to read the book first? If you've read the other 6 books, why not finish up the septology? Give it a go.

~ConnieK

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KellyHall wrote:
I have not read Deathly Hollows but I was curious and read the epilogue first about half way through it I broke down and started crying and I'm not even sure why.

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[NerdsRus]

Honestly, I wasnt a fan of the last book at all. I felt the epilouge was rushed as was the whole book. I didnt like how all the minor characters were basically killed off. But as someone pointed out to me JK Rowling wrote the characters soo richly that you could talk about the woulda coulda shouldas for a while. Overall not impressed with the epilogue. Gave me more questions than answers.

[ConnieAnnKirk]

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NerdsRus wrote:
Honestly, I wasnt a fan of the last book at all. I felt the epilouge was rushed as was the whole book. I didnt like how all the minor characters were basically killed off. But as someone pointed out to me JK Rowling wrote the characters soo richly that you could talk about the woulda coulda shouldas for a while. Overall not impressed with the epilogue. Gave me more questions than answers.

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A lot of people agree with you, Nerds. Many finished that last page with a let-down feeling, not just because the series was over but also because the last book didn't measure up to expectations built up by the other books. Then there was a movement among fans to like it anyway--who wants to say or admit that a series they enjoyed for so long was disappointing in the end? Some fans would like anything JKR wrote regardless; some gave her a pass based on the delight they enjoyed from the other books in the series; some did find merit in the ending. Others remain critical of the entire last book, even now.

[NerdsRus]

haha that is soo tru. unfortunately i am one of the people who will be critical of the last one for a while. But ill give her some slack cuz the others were just so good.

[Heatherluvsher…]

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shaycv wrote:

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quidditchpro wrote:
Just curious, who else loves that Harry named his second son Albus Severus?

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that was my favorite thing about the epilogue! and when he said that severus was the bravest man he had ever known i almost cried! it was so...idk...emotional i also loved that he told him how he had convinced the sorting hat to put him in gryffindor when he hadnt told any of his other children this

i also cant think of what lily's middle name would be because i cant see ginny or harry inflicting embarassment on her with the name 'nymphadora' and i cant think of anything else but wouldnt it just be hilarious if they had another kid and named him dobby hedwig!! lol that would be an awful name since its a boy and a girl name and its just plain awful anyway! but hey you never know lol!
in a way i almost think lily's middle name might be minnerva...hmm...thats a new thought...let me ponder it for a while...

[ConnieAnnKirk]

Aww...I think that would be sweet, Heather! I've always like McGonagall!

~ConnieK

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HeatherluvsherBooks wrote, in part: in a way i almost think lily's middle name might be minnerva...hmm...thats a new thought...let me ponder it for a while...

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[Heatherluvsher…]

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ConnieK wrote:
Aww...I think that would be sweet, Heather! I've always like McGonagall!

~ConnieK

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HeatherluvsherBooks wrote, in part: in a way i almost think lily's middle name might be minnerva...hmm...thats a new thought...let me ponder it for a while...

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yea thats what i thought but I just found out that her middle name in Gineiva(sp.?) after Ginny...thats good too though, I was starting to wonder if Ginny was getting any say in their childrens names!lol

[AliMcJ]

I was disappointed in it also. I was, however, glad to see that there at least was one.

I never could see Harry and Ginny as a couple and can't see Hermione marrying Ron. Plotwise, though, now Harry has a family, a wizarding family to belong to, and so does Hermione.

I suppose seeing orphaned baby of Tonks and [werewolf] was to show a circular pattern, like Harry was orphaned in wizard wars, and his parents would have been fairly recently married as well, young with a young son; perhaps it was to help readers identify more with Harry's parents when they were killed.

Tonks was too delightful a character to kill off (and I'm going to have to go to the chapter where we learn nothing except that she was killed and lying in a mass makeshift morgue to find out the chpt number and post there, as this is chapter specific).

...and now the post epilogue, in which we learn through the electronic media that Dumbledore was gay, though it was never necessary to mention it, as it should be. I don't know; things went downhill after Order of the Phoenix. I feel a bit like I was duped, that JKR is a master publicist, stirring the pot a bit to bring mention of the Encyclopedia, Book VIII in the series, on which she's working.

I felt duped also by the way the last book was essentially a bloodbath and characters were summarily dispatched right and left, characters readers cared about, knocked out of the series and the imagination with little more mention than there they were, dead. Unsatisfying.

. . . and I'm still not sure why LV went to kill Harry's parents in the first place.

Is it worth re-reading the whole series yet *again*?

Well, kraziekatie, I'm glad to see I'm not alone.

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kraziekatie24 wrote:
i HATED the epilogue. i thought it was really bad and gave no actual description of what happened to anyone...beside harry, ginny, hermione, ron, draco, and neville. victiore is bill and fluer's daughter from comrehension. i really wanted more answers as to who does what and what happends to each character. oh well, though it was amazing and everything, but please, jo, more answers!!!

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[AliMcJ]

Wasn't Neville the new headmaster?

. . . and previous post, yes, I wondered how the Dursleys were faring and why it was that they were so awful to Harry, what it was between Petunia and Lily, although that was explained a bit, a little bit: Lily was scary.

[AliMcJ]

Good call!



"lol...Hugo...I mean, really! But then Hermione's a bookish person and Victor Hugo's a big name in the literary world...."

[AliMcJ]

That was to show the difference in ages; children don't always know or see what their parents are, other than "Mom and Dad."

It was to put readers into another p.o.v., that of older people who know what other older people did, as we know the students' experiences while they were young, and then when they become parents, that is who they are to their children. Only when children go through the same ages and stages later in life do they begin to see their parents as other than parents, who they are to others.