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The Taming of the Shrew: Overall Impressions

What are your overall impressions of this Shakespearean comedy?

 

 

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I think it is extremely interesting play because it is many-layered and can be interpreted in a number of different ways.  Certainly not always from the mysogynist/wife beating p.o.v. as is so often done.

 

I would have liked to have seen this production where Kate is played as a female MP. Petruchio as a comedian and Bianca as a model! 

 

This all-male production did not get such good reviews but it is an intersting idea and I would like to see a production where the roles of Kate and Petruchio are reversed. 

 

The RSC have played it in various ways and this review is of a production was a psychological interpretation with Kate as a sort of psycho-therapist taming her mad husband.  The 'cheeky sequel' to The Taming of the Shrew, written by Fletcher only 20 years after Shakespeare's play sounds hilarious and it might have been nice to have read it as a sequel here. 

 


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What are your overall impressions of this Shakespearean comedy?

 

 


 

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I would like to see a production where the roles of Kate and Petruchio are reversed.

 

Yes, I bet you would!   :smileyhappy:

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Opinion on Taming of the Shrew

Well I'm 15 years old and I've just recently read The Taming of the Shrew. Petruchio made me laugh a lot, but I was a little angry with Katherine. She was so easily tamed and that made me quite angry at Shakespeare for writing her that way. I don't know maybe it was due to the time period that he lived in, but he could of made her put up more of a fight.

 

Do you think I'm wrong to think this?

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Jasmine7 wrote:

Well I'm 15 years old and I've just recently read The Taming of the Shrew. Petruchio made me laugh a lot, but I was a little angry with Katherine. She was so easily tamed and that made me quite angry at Shakespeare for writing her that way. I don't know maybe it was due to the time period that he lived in, but he could of made her put up more of a fight.

 

Do you think I'm wrong to think this?


 

Hi, Jasmine, and welcome!  We talked about this question on the threads about this play last fall.  Take a look at what others have said on the topic and see what you think!
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Hi, Jasmine7.

 

You might want to watch the movie "Ten Things I Hate About You," based on "Taming" but set in current-day U.S., and compare the two.

PS -- I went to OSF a few years ago and liked it a lot.

 

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As all of his plays we learn something new, the first time we read it and then each subsoquent time.

 

There are of course differences between men and women, and the fact that Shakespeare chose to have Kate, a woman, be brain washed instead of a man is a question to consider.  I think that he chose a woman to be brain washed because it is more difficult to brain wash a woman than a man.  He did not pick the easier of the two, he picked the more challenging of the two.

 

Shakespeare described how someone can be brainwashed before the term 'brain washed' was invented.  He chose a woman to be brainwashed because it is more challenging, and requires more attention.

 

We saw from the beginning of the play when the drunk was brain washed easily.  The difference in difficulty makes me angry as a male!  What was Shakespeare saying, that a man can be brain washed by simply telling him that he is rich, but a woman needs to be placed into a world of multiple characters?

 

This is not a play for a woman to be offended, but a man to be offended at the implied relative ease that we are brain washed with respect to women.

 

 

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Benedict3 wrote:

As all of his plays we learn something new, the first time we read it and then each subsoquent time.

 

There are of course differences between men and women, and the fact that Shakespeare chose to have Kate, a woman, be brain washed instead of a man is a question to consider.  I think that he chose a woman to be brain washed because it is more difficult to brain wash a woman than a man.  He did not pick the easier of the two, he picked the more challenging of the two.

 

Shakespeare described how someone can be brainwashed before the term 'brain washed' was invented.  He chose a woman to be brainwashed because it is more challenging, and requires more attention.

 

We saw from the beginning of the play when the drunk was brain washed easily.  The difference in difficulty makes me angry as a male!  What was Shakespeare saying, that a man can be brain washed by simply telling him that he is rich, but a woman needs to be placed into a world of multiple characters?

 

This is not a play for a woman to be offended, but a man to be offended at the implied relative ease that we are brain washed with respect to women.

 

 


 

What an interesting take on this!  I'm not sure I would have thought of it.  I'm intrigued.  Benedict, why do you think women are less easily brainwashed than men?
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Yes, Benedict, why do you think women are less easily brainwashed than men?

 

Also, this is quite interesting.  If Shakespeare did indeed mean to set up this kind of parallel between Christopher Sly's situation and that of Kate's: is it the difference between a man and a woman, or the difference between brainwashing by comfort versus brainwashing by torture (it's been a while since I've read that prologue; if I remember rightly, Christopher Sly is pampered and petted in the lap of luxury...)?

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Yes, Benedict, why do you think women are less easily brainwashed than men?

 

Also, this is quite interesting.  If Shakespeare did indeed mean to set up this kind of parallel between Christopher Sly's situation and that of Kate's: is it the difference between a man and a woman, or the difference between brainwashing by comfort versus brainwashing by torture (it's been a while since I've read that prologue; if I remember rightly, Christopher Sly is pampered and petted in the lap of luxury...)?


 

Welcome, Strenia!  I hope Benedict will see these questions soon and respond.
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ConnieK wrote:

Strenia wrote:

Yes, Benedict, why do you think women are less easily brainwashed than men?

 

Also, this is quite interesting.  If Shakespeare did indeed mean to set up this kind of parallel between Christopher Sly's situation and that of Kate's: is it the difference between a man and a woman, or the difference between brainwashing by comfort versus brainwashing by torture (it's been a while since I've read that prologue; if I remember rightly, Christopher Sly is pampered and petted in the lap of luxury...)?


 

Welcome, Strenia!  I hope Benedict will see these questions soon and respond.

 

 

 

I started to write a long explanation, but at the heart of this argument is that women take many parallel variables into account when making decisions, and men take into account those variables that are arranged in one linear fashion, and this linear line of reasoning corresponds to his concept of what is the most important excluding many other things.

This does not mean that one is smarter than the other.  Both can understand math, both can learn new languages, but one goes through parallel lines of reasoning, and one goes through sequential lines of reasoning as a rule of thumb.  One is geared toward accomplishing tasks, and one is geared toward raising a family.  One can be convinced through one line of reasoning, and the other must be convinced through all of the parallel lines of reasoning.



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Benedict3 wrote:

 

 

I started to write a long explanation, but at the heart of this argument is that women take many parallel variables into account when making decisions, and men take into account those variables that are arranged in one linear fashion, and this linear line of reasoning corresponds to his concept of what is the most important excluding many other things.

This does not mean that one is smarter than the other.  Both can understand math, both can learn new languages, but one goes through parallel lines of reasoning, and one goes through sequential lines of reasoning as a rule of thumb.  One is geared toward accomplishing tasks, and one is geared toward raising a family.  One can be convinced through one line of reasoning, and the other must be convinced through all of the parallel lines of reasoning.


Does this theory of the difference in reasoning processes come from your own observations, Benedict, or a study you're read, etc.?

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ConnieK wrote:

Benedict3 wrote:

 

 

I started to write a long explanation, but at the heart of this argument is that women take many parallel variables into account when making decisions, and men take into account those variables that are arranged in one linear fashion, and this linear line of reasoning corresponds to his concept of what is the most important excluding many other things.

This does not mean that one is smarter than the other.  Both can understand math, both can learn new languages, but one goes through parallel lines of reasoning, and one goes through sequential lines of reasoning as a rule of thumb.  One is geared toward accomplishing tasks, and one is geared toward raising a family.  One can be convinced through one line of reasoning, and the other must be convinced through all of the parallel lines of reasoning.


Does this theory of the difference in reasoning processes come from your own observations, Benedict, or a study you're read, etc.?


 This comes from both general observations and sterio types and, from my opinion, Shakespeare.  I am not a doctor, I'm only sharing my opinion, although my note may have sounded as though I think that I know....  Well, thats also an opinion.

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"One is geared toward accomplishing tasks, and one is geared toward raising a family."

 

 

Are we to presume raising a family is not a task?


Benedict3 wrote:

ConnieK wrote:

Benedict3 wrote:

 

 

I started to write a long explanation, but at the heart of this argument is that women take many parallel variables into account when making decisions, and men take into account those variables that are arranged in one linear fashion, and this linear line of reasoning corresponds to his concept of what is the most important excluding many other things.

This does not mean that one is smarter than the other.  Both can understand math, both can learn new languages, but one goes through parallel lines of reasoning, and one goes through sequential lines of reasoning as a rule of thumb.  One is geared toward accomplishing tasks, and one is geared toward raising a family.  One can be convinced through one line of reasoning, and the other must be convinced through all of the parallel lines of reasoning.


Does this theory of the difference in reasoning processes come from your own observations, Benedict, or a study you're read, etc.?


 This comes from both general observations and sterio types and, from my opinion, Shakespeare.  I am not a doctor, I'm only sharing my opinion, although my note may have sounded as though I think that I know....  Well, thats also an opinion


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Peppermill wrote:

"One is geared toward accomplishing tasks, and one is geared toward raising a family."

 

 

Are we to presume raising a family is not a task?


We as humans all have goals and desires.  Once a goal or desire is pinpointed, we must first understand what the current situation is before we can make a plan to alter the situation in such a way as to acquire our goals and desires.  Men seem to take a linear approach, utilizing fewer variables, albeit variables that they deem to be most important.  And women seem to take a more encompassing approach incorporating variables that the man would otherwise ignore.

Both are goal oriented.  The woman seem to keep the ultimate goal of the families well being in mind making decisions moment to moment incorporating many variables.  Men can become easily fixated on particular tasks loosing sight of the ultimate goal, that of the well being of the family.

They work well together.

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Are we to presume raising a family is not a task?

 

Only by those who either a) have never had one, or b) have had servants to do it for them, as many in the upper class Victorian age did, and Madonna does today.

 

OTOH, it is both the most challenging and the most rewarding task it is possible for humans to undertake.   Nothing else even comes close.  

 

 

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Pertaining to perspectives, I don't read much more than Shakespeare.
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Just read it for English. Awesome. funny. One of the best things I've ever read. (I say that about every Shakespeare play)
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