06-03-2009 08:26 PM
if my friend was a vampire and they told me and they eat people and the people die i would be
petrified. I would be super scared because like they could eat me!
06-04-2009 12:05 PM
06-06-2009 08:00 PM
Also, I should add that God's commandments are often absolute. He says ‘do not lie', yet we tell ‘white lies', which are still very much lies. He says ‘do not murder', but abortion is murder. We can't give excuses for it any of our sins and try to explain them away. As if you can explain something away with God!
Remember what I've said about our soul? Our soul is really our being. Yes, our brain is part of us, but our soul is what sins, really. It's very hard to explain, so please try really hard to understand this, because you can't really explain a soul. Our body is a vessel, but our soul is kind of our being, it's who we are, not our brain.
Ah! Notice the wording there. "God does not fit the roles we give Him." He shouldn't! haha. We try to make God who we want Him to be. We are imperfect, we can't understand His perfection, so of course He won't fit the roles we ‘give' Him. He shouldn't, because who He is is who He is. He said His name is "I AM". Pretty unarguable, that.
Okay, treading dangerous ground here. We always have a good option. Regardless, because how could only evil exist? For there to be evil, there also has to be good. So therefore, a good option has to exist. It might not seem good. Just an example, say you know somebody on life support. Do you try to keep them alive, or take them off so they die? Major conflict people have. Now, if they were a Christian, I would take them off, no matter how much it hurt, because they would no longer be in pain, whereas leaving them on earth would be almost cruel. Both options seem terrible, but one is obviously good. Same with abortion. Kill them? Yes, the baby will go to Heaven, but at the same time, people have sinned. Let it be born and have somebody adopt, and nobody has sinned.
He doesn't condemn us if we ask forgiveness. Here's the thing: He is just. Completely fair, unequivocally. So we have all of our time on earth to come to Him so that we can be forgiven. Quite a grace period, don't you think? But if we die without giving our lives to Him, He is going to be just, and that doesn't bode well for the unbeliever.
Loving and caring, but also just and righteous. When anyone goes to Hell, He mourns for the loss of one of His own. For we are created in His image, and He loves each of us. But when one strays from Him, He has to be just, but He mourns.
Eeehh, well, there is a lot of skepticism over how many requirements there are. I looked it up after you posted this, and some say seven, some five, some four. So nobody really knows. It all depends on which source you look at.
EXACTLY! Abortion isn't any different! It's murder just the same! Regardless, innocent children are being murdered.
I never said their decisions were any worse than the ones we make. People look at things that way because they don't want to believe they're just as ‘bad'. James 2:10 says the following: "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." It's kind of like taking a balloon. It's a happy balloon, a good balloon. But if you pop it with a needle, the whole thing pops, not just a piece of it. The sin is exactly the same, but humans put everything in orders of things from good to bad, because they want to think they are ‘good', even though none of us are. People think they can get to Heaven because they are a ‘good person'. But that's based on the standards people set. It doesn't work, because we're all sinners, we all sin. If you want to compare 1,987,239,098 sins to 1,987,239,099 sins, then go right ahead, but you're still a sinner! Regardless of how ‘good' you think you are, there is only one Way into Heaven. You also can't decide what right and wrong are. You could say it's wrong to kill somebody. I could stick a gun in your face and say I was going to shoot you. You would argue that's wrong, and then now we're stuck, aren't we? I think it's right, you think it's wrong. That's why right and wrong don't work, good and bad. Because we make our own terms. We have to go by God's, which He sets forth in the Bible.
Because they are human, too. And because they aren't close to God, apparently. It's called ‘walking the walk' and ‘talking the talk'. They can pretend they are so godly, but what is in their hearts? What relationship do they have with God? We can't say Christianity is screwed up because people do sinful things. The people are. God keeps His half of the relationship pure. We have make ours pure. Those priests are not in a good relationship with God. They might think they are, but you're right, they're perverted. But we all are because we all sin. Granted, they're showing a very bad example and leading many astray, which James chapter 2 warns us about, and they're going to be judged by God for it, just like everybody else.
We're all ‘bad' people, so we can't point fingers. In the Bible, some people of the law brought a prostitute to Jesus, saying she'd been found sleeping with another woman. Now, it had before been laid down in the Old Testament that a woman found in the act of extra-marital sex should be stoned, so they all picked up stones and asked Jesus what they could do, because they were testing Him. They thought He was cornered. If He ordered them to kill her, He would be ordering murder. If He ordered them not to, He'd be disobeying the law.
You know what He did? He knelt and started drawing in the sand. The people asked Him again what they should do, and He looked up to reply that whoever was sinless could throw the first stone. Then He went back to drawing in the sand. One by one, each of the people dropped their stones and walked away, leaving the woman standing before Jesus. When Jesus looked up, He glanced around and seeing nobody, asked the woman where her accusers were. She said they had all left, and He told her to go, and that her sins were forgiven.
This shows that all sins are the same. We're all guilty. Each is bad. Do you see that from this Scripture?
If I was raped, Vampires-and-Spongebob, I would deal with what God had given me. Everything happens according to His will. If He wanted me to keel over right now and die, He could do it. I could be healthy as a horse and next thing, dead on the carpet. If it is His will. It would be hard, and I can't say this for sure, but I would try to keep that child. If I didn't, I would have my parents raise the child, because I would refuse to kill the baby. Would I feel resentment? Of course not. It's not the baby's fault it was born. Teen pregnancy is rampant because teens are not being responsible. Getting pregnant is their fault, and they won't take responsibility for their actions, because they know there is a way out of it. They can just have an abortion, problem over. No. I've not talked to one person who has had an abortion and doesn't regret it.
Need an example of the great things these people can come to? My youth pastor is a baby from rape, his mother being raped by her ex-husband who beat her and then raped her. His mother kept him after seriously considering an abortion. She raised him with love and a caring nature. Today he has led many people to Christ, counseled many, helps in Uganda constantly, and has saved many people from terrible lives. He has done so much, just in my life. Because his mother kept him, he has helped so many people it's beyond comprehendible.
Why is it the woman's choice? What about the baby? Why do we get to decide who to kill? Why do we get to decide to do when we make the wrong choice? Or even in rape, why can't we accept it and deal with it for nine months, and then let somebody else take care of the baby?
I assume you're talking mainly about the ones in Egypt. The people in Egypt were mistreating His people. In this case, He was angry. A righteous anger. He gave them the choice, had Moses warn them, gave them a grace period, but then caused them to suffer seven times. Don't you think that was enough warning? They got themselves killed because they wouldn't listen. As for other epidemics, it's always because of righteous anger. He always warns first.
How is a fetus not living in you? How does a mother not have a relationship with her child? ‘The terrible life they would face'. I've already explained this, but I'll try again. The women who have had sex out of marriage have sinned, and there are consequences to all sins. If they look at the baby as a consequence that has to be getting rid of because it's ‘inconvenient', then they shouldn't be having sex out of marriage! If you have to go through that, it's your own fault. But a child is a blessing from God, whether or not you want them.
06-06-2009 09:30 PM
what are you rambling about?
i think abortion is right and you sound messed up in the head if you can believe in a god that
there is no way to tell actually exists. And god must be evil himself if he wills little kids to be
tortured and be slaves in other countries and starve. maybe we are in hell already.
06-07-2009 10:44 PM
I still don't believe in a soul, so meh.
Haha! Ok, if the Bible is what God passed onto us mortals, the BIBLE says he is all knowing and all powerful, and understanding and kind. So isn't that God basically defining HIMSELF? Ha! Loop hole! (I am smiling gigantically right now)
Once again, everyone sins. Point taken. But why do people make such a big deal of abortion. Everyone sins and if as you said that no sin is considered greater or worse than another then why should it matter. If your truly sorry and recant or regret it then won't God forgive you?
If he's so forgiving what about all the people who died during his little reign of fire in the old testament? Where was THAT grace period? Why punish those who didn't know any better?
Well, my bio book said seven, that all I know. Lol.
Ya, well that was my point. It's exactly the same. It just switched forms. I mean child murder isn't nearly as common any more, but it takes form in abortion. I mean during the time when child murder was prevalent it was very common and often a way for not havnig your family starve to death because they had another mouth to feed.
Then what's the use of even trying to get to Heaven? It sounds impossible to me. Unreachable.
Well of course Christianity is skewed. Christianity was created by man.
Why is it that in the old Testament everything is fire and brimestone and then once Jesus shows up it's like a hypie fest? What's with that? God went from being frightening and one to be feared to "oh God loves everyone?" What the heck man?
But not everyone has such faith as you do. Not everyone can do that. Just plain can't. Peope commit suicide because people spread rumors about them. Could those same people cope with rape, let alone getting a child out of it? No. Plain and simple. It would ruin their lives and possibly their sanity. You can't generalize people because everyone handles things differently. It's easy for you to say that what you would do in this situation, but the point is that no everybody is you. I have no idea what I would do if I got a child if I was raped. I mean I probably would keep it, but your right that baby is guiltless in the matter. Would I feel resentment? I have no idea. Hopefully I'll never have to find out.
The baby doesn't have a brain yet. It can't think, therefore it can't make a choice. Hence why it is the mothers decision. Why do we make these decisions you ask? Ask God. He gave us free will so blaim him.
If Gods so nice couldn't he simply have set them free? Why kill those Egyptians who had nothing to do with it? You know there were plenty of Egyptian slaves as well, people who had nothing to do with Jew mistreatment. He could have easily just sent Moses to collect his people and leave, and blocked off the Egyptians. Why the killing? That makes no sense. Bull crap righteous anger. It's happy flower dancing "I love everyone" and then "You mistreat my people, you die" Talk about bipolar.
Uhm? What? I never said a fetus wasn't alive. I'm saying that when said fetus is just a few cells then it really shouldn't be considered human. It not even visible to the human eye. Sometimes the mother doesn't WANT a relationship with the child, ie rape. And again what?! You think that every woman who gets an abortion does it becuase she's cheating on her husband?! ROFL! (laughing hysterically) Please come on. Half of them are teens and aren't married so technically they couldn't have cheated on a spouse and haven't sinnned. Another large portion are those who are married have sex with their husband and end up getting pregnant and they just don't want another child or can't deal with one at the time. Why do you automatically assume that it's woman who have cheated on their husband?
Oh and hey. Play nice people. Me and Liv4him have been chatting quite nicely. Please do the same.
06-08-2009 05:20 PM
I have a question. Why would God create someone who is so skewed in the head that he kills or rapes? Isn't He putting His children in trouble?
Women get raped. It's as simple as that. Why? Because of other people. Not thier fault. So why should a women be obligied to take care of a baby because of that rape when it isn't they're fault?
There are stupid people that don't use protection, but other times in teen pregnancy they forget. 'The heat of the moment' some would say. It's crazy to believe a teenager could take care of a child when they are children themselves! That's why abortion is legal! For teens, for rape victims, for infants with future diseases, for not being able to take care of a child!
It's nice there was someone who was a rape victim that kept they're child, but no one's emotions are the same. Someone's reaction will be different then yours. Just because one person does that doesn't mean you will.
If you were pregnant and found out your child was going to die a few days after it was born what would you do? I would rather send them to God right away then for them to have a few very painful days.
Women who get abortions have emotions. They can feel remorse because it was part of them, but they knew all the damages having the child could do and didn't have it.
If you think abortion is murder then do you believe the mother and doctor who preformed it should go to prison or even Hell?
This is fun!