Book Lending

[ps56k]

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cleo1dubois wrote:

Why make a vague claim that we can lend books to our friends only to have it be a half-ass promise?

I'm very disappointed in this.

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Why - because that's "marketing" - they had you... until you dug for the details...

Since it's totally a DRM thing, it could easily be modified in the future if they choose.

Go to the last two "+" points on LendMe..

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/digitalpublishing/barnes_noble_faq.html

[NormanRock]

Is it possible to remove my memory card from my nook with my b&n books on it and lend it to a friend for him to read or will he not be able to view them on his nook

[NormanRock]

Is it possible to remove my memory card from my nook with my b&n books on it and lend it to a friend for him to read or will he not be able to view them on his nook

[kattyge]

I must say that this is a very interesting question !!!  I bet B&N hasn't thought about this one yet.  I'm curious as well.

[NormanRock]

Is it possible to remove my msd card with my b&n books on it and lend it to a friend for him to read or will he not be able to view them on his nook

[ps56k]

to answer - YES and NO -

to catch up on the topic -

you might try the "search box" in the upper right of the screen,

with the keyword of "lending"

[barnone]

Phil_K - Good morning.  I like other readers are very interested in the lending aspects of Nook.  I share my physical books with a couple of family members.

1)  Can I buy more than one Nook on one account and share within these devices?  If not, please add as a feature request.

2)  As noted in previous post, can I just move the book(s) to a memory card and share them?  Especially if they are on the same account?

3)  I have been looking forward to the Nook is the lending, but also the weight.  My mother is literally a "little old lady".  And it is difficult for her to carry the books she reads, but I like to read them too.  It sounds like it would be easier to buy more than one Nook on one account and just exchange the Nooks, but how silly is that in the digital age?

[Josh_W]

Thanks for your inquiries barnone.

You will be able to register more than one nook to the same account and therefore be able to share the same eBook library between those nooks. 

You will not be able to move eBooks purchased at Barnes & Noble to a memory card to share them. 

I'm not sure if you were inquiring for the exact weight of nook, but that is 11.2 ounces.

[AdamSelene]

> You will not be able to move eBooks purchased at Barnes & Noble to a memory card to share them.

You guys are really succeeding in making this more confusing.  Does that mean I won't be able to put B&N purchased content on a card at all?  If so, what's the point of that when I'm supposed to be able to download it to a computer and transfer it over USB?

Or did you just mean that doing so will not enable them to be used on other nooks due to the DRM scheme?

[Josh_W]

My apologies.  I hope I can help clarify my previous answer.  You will not be able to share an eBook with another nook through a memory card due to DRM restrictions. 

[NormanRock]

so phil, if i purches a nook for myself and one for my wife the we will both be able to read the same book at the same time?     ok     what if my brother then buys a nook on my account (he lives 3 hours from me) will he instantly have access to all my books. i ask because he and i share books alot so it makes sence to be on the same account. maybe my book club could join us and we'll have fifteen people sharing books.  wow thats great buddy thanks!

[AdamSelene]

> maybe my book club could join us and we'll have fifteen people sharing books.

I think this is where the “social” aspect of the DRM comes in.  If you're willing to enable fifteen other people to make purchases with your credit card, and you don't mind them seeing “The Story of O” show up in your account (when you buy it), go for it.

[NormanRock]

I have a very large account son. I haven't experianced O in a very long time, say fifty ar so years now. But anyway , I was being sassy with the fellow. It keeps his job interesting.

but i mean what i said not the part about the book club but about having more than one nook on the same account if not two why not three, four, or five. all with access to the library since they all have the same registration. maybe a young man with a wife and two teenage children thats four nooks that can all share the books

[PeterCraine]

For you nook folks, here's how it works with the Kindle; perhaps the nook will work the same:

You can have as many "devices" as you want registered to the same account. A "device" is a Kindle or any other device that has a Kindle reader app installed on it (like an iPhone, an iPod touch, a PC, a Mac, a Blackberry).

But each ebook has a limited number of devices (on the same account) onto which it can be downloaded at any one time. This number is typically 6, but sometimes 5. Some have no limit. This limit, I believe, is set by the publisher, not Amazon. (This limit, of course, exists only on ebooks with DRM.)

So if you have eight people in your family (or book club), all on the same account, each with his or her own device, up to six (typically) could have the book at the same time. Once somebody finished the book, they'd remove it from their device, which would free up a copy for one of the remaining two people to download.

If any Kindle owners spot something incorrect in this description, please chime in.

As a Kindle owner, I'm glad to see a whole bunch of new people are about to join the ebook reading world. I'm sure you're going to love your nooks.

[AdamSelene]

I can't spot anything wrong with your description of the Kindle DRM.  I've never actually tested the per book device limit, but they advertise it as 6.

[What I find strange is that they don't actually use the Mobipocket method of installing multiple keys in the same file, even though they generally allocate space for 6 keys (this is the default and minimum allowed by their own software); instead you have to tell them which device you're downloading to (via wireless) or for (via web->USB), and it only puts that one key in the file.  So you download a separate file for each device.]

However, the B&N “social” DRM is fundamentally different.  It uses your name and credit card number (only the last 8 digits in the eReader version; could be different for ePub, but the Adobe release makes it clear that it's the same general form) to generate a per-user key.  There's no reason I can think of that you can't enter the same information on several different nooks, and thus use the exact same file downloaded from their site, or copied from one nook to another.  The assumption is that people will not want to share their credit card numbers.  The advantage is that you can upgrade your reader 6 times, share with your spouse, read on your computer (at work and at home), iPhone, Blackberry, etc., and never run out of tokens.

[I would wonder if publishers find this acceptable, but since Fictionwise/PeanutPress and now B&N has been selling this technique as “secure eReader” for a while, it seems so.  It seems to me that in most cases it pretty closely mimics what you'd do if you actually owned a physical book—sharing with your family—with the exception that it is technically possible for multiple people to be reading it at exactly the same time.  I can't see how that would affect sales much, as I doubt people generally buy multiple copies rather than serializing their reading.]

[PeterCraine]

Ahh, thanks for that explanation.

I can see the advantages of that - but what an annoyance if you decide, a year or two from now, to use a different credit card to make your purchases, or if Visa or Mastercard changes your card number on you. You'd have to keep track of when each password was valid and when you purchased each book, right?

[AdamSelene]

> You'd have to keep track of when each password was valid and when you purchased each book, right?

I believe the reader can just store multiple keys (derived from the name and CC number).  The question is more what happens if you redownload a book after changing your CC number.  Does it get rekeyed with the new number?  If not, then you'd need to remember all your old CC numbers.  I haven't tried this particular aspect of the “secure eReader” DRM, so I can't say.

If you store copies on your computer, you could also have to remember old CC numbers.  But remember that you're supposed to be able to redownload the materials at any time.  Either way, it seems to be only an inconvenience—whereas if you run out of tokens with the Amazon DRM, you're just screwed.

[Josh_W]

If you download an eBook to your nook, you unlock it using your default credit card info.  Then if you change your default credit card, that eBook will still be unlocked using your first default credit card's info, unless you delete it on your device and download it again (in which case, you would need to use your new default credit card to unlock

[aadCT]

If my wife and I both have nooks, and purchase ebooks in the same account, can we each download the same book to each of our nooks?

[AdamSelene]

> If my wife and I both have nooks, and purchase ebooks in the same account, can we each download the same book to each of our nooks?

Yes.

[yardbird]

Do the rules about lending apply to all content on the Nook?

Or only to eBooks purchased from B&N?

Can you lend books that you got from other sources (side load) or is the LendMe feature only enabled for books purchased from B&N?

Do the same lending rules apply to FREE eBooks from B&N?