Convince me!! [ Edited ]

[ProjectNookLook]

I'm totally serious here when I ask, "What is the benefit to having this new e-reader, or any e-reader for that matter?"

Stopping for a second to take a closer look at this marvel of the new century I'm asking more and more questions.  The B&N website would like to blind you with benefits like, "You have a whole B&N at your finger tips!"  Well let's think about that for a minute, do we really need the whole store at the ready?  I don't know about you but I only read one book at a time.  If I get done with one and I want to move on I have another ready to crack open.  Do we seriously need 2 gigs of books at the ready? Are we going to store books away like a squirrel for the winter voraciously reading one novel or newspaper after the next?  Especially when the new season of "Do You Think You Can Dance" is about to air.  It's one of the only times people come out to vote.

Who reads magazines or newspapers anymore? The media is so skewed now as it is that readership is at an all time low. Most people like me get their news from the internet. So what's the point of a renewing download.  There was a good point about getting free downloads on public domain books.  Most of which we have read in High School and um don't my tax dollars already go towards something called a Library where I can get those books loaned to me for free anyway?

Now let's take another look at the sustainability of a device like an e-reader.  Last time I read a book I didn't have to worry about the screen cracking or the battery running out.  Oh but wait!  After I spend TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS on this thing I can pay some more money to get an extra year to insure my device against accidents like cracked screens and accidental submersion in water? How can I lose?  Last time I bought a book I paid about ten bucks for it HARDBACK and was done with it.

Now for you hippies out there, sure we save a few trees when we digitally get our magazines, newspapers, and books, but what about the mercury and other toxic metals in the screen, battery, and the pcb that make up this device?  We are already drowning China in a wave of toxic solder and mercury thanks to computer memory doubling every six months.  You can guarantee a new version of these devices to be released in the next six months as the inevitable 4G network launches.  Now we all have to upgrade! Boom another Two Hundred Bucks! IF your lucky!!

Now to question the security of such a device?  Oh are you gonna tell me that it has WEP encryption? Easily brute forced!!  With this WiFi option included, you can download all the books you want right?  What stops the Ministry of Truth from accessing your e-book and changing history or news how they see fit?  What stops the data that you download from being corrupted? Oh but I have a backup copy on B&N dot com? Really like that database can't be hacked or altered?  And who pays when this happens, YOU!!

Movable type and the printed word are mankind's greatest inventions!  The printing press brought the word of god to people who up until that time could not afford and could not comprehend it.  The printed word gave us our freedoms, and it is through supposed convenience that this device brings; that we lose that freedom.  The NOOK (CROOK) and other devices like it are perfect examples of just because you CAN do something does not necessarily mean you SHOULD do something.

I know this rant is going to seem crazy, even apocalyptic, but stop for a second and THINK!  Convince me that this device and other like it are not the first steps toward absolute control over people.  Convince me that in the least this device is worth spending the money on and the upkeep.  Convince me!

[ElAleph]

Try this:

• Take a deep breath.
• Next, do not drink any coffee for the next 48 hours.

Come back once you've settled down, and then maybe I can try to convince you.

[ProjectNookLook]

Thanks Hippie, it's people like you that are slowly throwing our freedoms away for toys and pornography!

[ElAleph]

Here's to toys and pornography.

[MarshallJD2323]

Obvious Amazon troll.  Nice try.

[ProjectNookLook]

I said ALL e-reader devices you TOOL!

[MarshallJD2323]

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ElAleph wrote:

Here's to toys and pornography.

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Seconded.

[ProjectNookLook]

So far I see no constructive argument FOR an e-reader.  Someone out here must have at least one brain cell working??

[MarshallJD2323]

Don't take the bait ... don't take the bait ... don't take the ...

aw, heck.  I can't help it.  No part of your rambling, paranoia-infused, nigh-incoherent post is in any way relevant to the subject of this message board.  Your eponymous "Project" is nothing more than an opportunity for you to pop in here for a tinfoil-hat hatchet job on the nook.  Ergo, you are an Amazon troll here to discourage would be nook purchasers.  Now, I won't feed the troll again.  Shoo.

[ProjectNookLook]

STILL you have not shown me how this device, enhances or makes my reading experience any easier or more worthwhile for the money I would have to plunk down for it.

And again my attack is not on the NOOK alone it is on all E-reader devices, now get your head out of your ass and smell the fresh air!!

Take a look around you and see what is happening!!

[juj1n]

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ProjectNookLook wrote:

I'm totally serious here when I ask, "What is the benefit to having this new e-reader, or any e-reader for that matter?"

Stopping for a second to take a closer look at this marvel of the new century I'm asking more and more questions.  The B&N website would like to blind you with benefits like, "You have a whole B&N at your finger tips!"  Well let's think about that for a minute, do we really need the whole store at the ready?  I don't know about you but I only read one book at a time.  If I get done with one and I want to move on I have another ready to crack open.  Do we seriously need 2 gigs of books at the ready? Are we going to store books away like a squirrel for the winter voraciously reading one novel or newspaper after the next?  Especially when the new season of "Do You Think You Can Dance" is about to air.  It's one of the only times people come out to vote.

Who reads magazines or newspapers anymore? The media is so skewed now as it is that readership is at an all time low. Most people like me get their news from the internet. So what's the point of a renewing download.  There was a good point about getting free downloads on public domain books.  Most of which we have read in High School and um don't my tax dollars already go towards something called a Library where I can get those books loaned to me for free anyway?

Now let's take another look at the sustainability of a device like an e-reader.  Last time I read a book I didn't have to worry about the screen cracking or the battery running out.  Oh but wait!  After I spend TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS on this thing I can pay some more money to get an extra year to insure my device against accidents like cracked screens and accidental submersion in water? How can I lose?  Last time I bought a book I paid about ten bucks for it HARDBACK and was done with it.

Now for you hippies out there, sure we save a few trees when we digitally get our magazines, newspapers, and books, but what about the mercury and other toxic metals in the screen, battery, and the pcb that make up this device?  We are already drowning China in a wave of toxic solder and mercury thanks to computer memory doubling every six months.  You can guarantee a new version of these devices to be released in the next six months as the inevitable 4G network launches.  Now we all have to upgrade! Boom another Two Hundred Bucks! IF your lucky!!

Now to question the security of such a device?  Oh are you gonna tell me that it has WEP encryption? Easily brute forced!!  With this WiFi option included, you can download all the books you want right?  What stops the Ministry of Truth from accessing your e-book and changing history or news how they see fit?  What stops the data that you download from being corrupted? Oh but I have a backup copy on B&N dot com? Really like that database can't be hacked or altered?  And who pays when this happens, YOU!!

Movable type and the printed word are mankind's greatest inventions!  The printing press brought the word of god to people who up until that time could not afford and could not comprehend it.  The printed word gave us our freedoms, and it is through supposed convenience that this device brings; that we lose that freedom.  The NOOK (CROOK) and other devices like it are perfect examples of just because you CAN do something does not necessarily mean you SHOULD do something.

I know this rant is going to seem crazy, even apocalyptic, but stop for a second and THINK!  Convince me that this device and other like it are not the first steps toward absolute control over people.  Convince me that in the least this device is worth spending the money on and the upkeep.  Convince me!

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"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[Kaitluvsbooks]

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juj1n wrote:

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"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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Haha gotta love Billy Madison! I give you props..that was the best response for this.

[joeypore]

Ok, let me see if I can address what you said...in a calm manner...

Ok, the benefit, to having a reader is primarily convenience and portability.

Do you NEED to have all your music in an iPod? Do you very well NEED a dishwasher, or running water, or any other piece of technology? Of course not; you are still free to carry around a walkman, wash all of your dishes by hand, get your water from a well, or whatever. The point is convenience.  The government is not making you buy a reader so they can control the content. Last time I checked, this is America, a free nation that many have fought and died for.

The pros and cons have pointed out all over this forum. Regardless, you have a choice to buy it or not. It's really that simple.

I see no need to convince you because you clearly aren't open to listen to anything. I have debated many people on many things, and let me tell you, your argument is FULL of points. Some, indeed, are valid points. However, there are WAY too many fallacious errors in your presentation that would require you to understand basics of debating.

If you haven't taken notice, people don't STAND for tyranny of any kind in America, and it gets SHOT DOWN, when people see it.  Take the Amazon Kindle incident with 1984. No, this wasn't a catastrophic event, but yes, it was wrong, and ABSOLUTELY infringing upon people's freedoms. Guess what, people DID NOT STAND FOR IT. People boycotted Amazon until a response was issued; Amazon got LOTS of heat for that.

There's something about America that's different than any other nation, and that's the freedom we have. And even though the media elevates the government and such to a ridiculous height above the people, and though socialistic principles have entered congress, I can guarantee you, America is still America. And Americans don't stand for tyranny.

The solution, is not to say "AH! FIRE, FIRE, FIRE" When, in reality, there is but a candle lit, maybe too close to a curtain. It is our job, as Americans to move the flame to a safer place, or put out the fire if need be.

I hear passion in what you say. I feel your concern, as some things you speak of, technologically, are a possiblie feat. But let me assure you, take that energy and shift it toward your senators, and your President. Stand up for what's right.

God Bless America.

[Sunltcloud]

Why would I want to convince you?

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ProjectNookLook wrote:

I'm totally serious here when I ask, "What is the benefit to having this new e-reader, or any e-reader for that matter?"

Stopping for a second to take a closer look at this marvel of the new century I'm asking more and more questions.  The B&N website would like to blind you with benefits like, "You have a whole B&N at your finger tips!"  Well let's think about that for a minute, do we really need the whole store at the ready?  I don't know about you but I only read one book at a time.  If I get done with one and I want to move on I have another ready to crack open.  Do we seriously need 2 gigs of books at the ready? Are we going to store books away like a squirrel for the winter voraciously reading one novel or newspaper after the next?  Especially when the new season of "Do You Think You Can Dance" is about to air.  It's one of the only times people come out to vote.

Who reads magazines or newspapers anymore? The media is so skewed now as it is that readership is at an all time low. Most people like me get their news from the internet. So what's the point of a renewing download.  There was a good point about getting free downloads on public domain books.  Most of which we have read in High School and um don't my tax dollars already go towards something called a Library where I can get those books loaned to me for free anyway?

Now let's take another look at the sustainability of a device like an e-reader.  Last time I read a book I didn't have to worry about the screen cracking or the battery running out.  Oh but wait!  After I spend TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS on this thing I can pay some more money to get an extra year to insure my device against accidents like cracked screens and accidental submersion in water? How can I lose?  Last time I bought a book I paid about ten bucks for it HARDBACK and was done with it.

Now for you hippies out there, sure we save a few trees when we digitally get our magazines, newspapers, and books, but what about the mercury and other toxic metals in the screen, battery, and the pcb that make up this device?  We are already drowning China in a wave of toxic solder and mercury thanks to computer memory doubling every six months.  You can guarantee a new version of these devices to be released in the next six months as the inevitable 4G network launches.  Now we all have to upgrade! Boom another Two Hundred Bucks! IF your lucky!!

Now to question the security of such a device?  Oh are you gonna tell me that it has WEP encryption? Easily brute forced!!  With this WiFi option included, you can download all the books you want right?  What stops the Ministry of Truth from accessing your e-book and changing history or news how they see fit?  What stops the data that you download from being corrupted? Oh but I have a backup copy on B&N dot com? Really like that database can't be hacked or altered?  And who pays when this happens, YOU!!

Movable type and the printed word are mankind's greatest inventions!  The printing press brought the word of god to people who up until that time could not afford and could not comprehend it.  The printed word gave us our freedoms, and it is through supposed convenience that this device brings; that we lose that freedom.  The NOOK (CROOK) and other devices like it are perfect examples of just because you CAN do something does not necessarily mean you SHOULD do something.

I know this rant is going to seem crazy, even apocalyptic, but stop for a second and THINK!  Convince me that this device and other like it are not the first steps toward absolute control over people.  Convince me that in the least this device is worth spending the money on and the upkeep.  Convince me!

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[dreamcatcherSM]

I love my kindle I preordered the nook I had to cancel because my husband was diagnosed with cancer this week.  Please everyone stop being mean it is just a thing.  People will enjoy the nook and others won't but please stop arging about which is better or even if we need and e-reader

[JaMegan]

If you need convincing, you probably shouldn't get one.

You are being way too extreme about an electronic for no reason.

[njnookman]

Dreamcatcher.... your personal situation is far more cogent and immediate than anything we on this forum can say about another piece of the electronic spectrum, no matter how earth-shaking.  The only that thing that should matter to you, or to anyone reading this, is that your husband makes a successful recovery with a minimum of pain and suffering!

I can speculate that, as he goes through the various treatments that may or may not ensue in the coming months, that his love of reading consoles and comforts him.  Whether that love of reading is facilitated by Sony, Kindle, nook, or ink on paper, if it is good for him, that's all that matters.

We are arguing about an artifact of technology and culture -- but the words these artifacts deliver are the real value, and hopefully, these devices may become a useful alternative to the delivery system we enjoy today.

May your husband be well, and may you both Live Long and Prosper!

[C8H10N4O2]

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MarshallJD2323 wrote:

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ElAleph wrote:

Here's to toys and pornography.

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Seconded.

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Thirded

[dsvick]

Convince you!?  My neighbor once dug a 10 foot square, 15 foot deep pit in his backyard to catch a snipe in...   I didn't bother convincing him either... 

[ProjectNookLook]

@joeypore,

Firstly thank you sincerely for your response, so far it is the only educated and enlightening one so far.  I appologize for the error in which I presented this lively debate and hope that we all can have  a more educated and mature discussion about the subject at hand.

If I may address some of the points in your response; you point out that the benefit of an e-reader is convenience and portability.  My argument to this is that a printed book is already portable and convenient, much more so than an electronic device. It is much easier to get through airport security with a paperback in my carry on.  I would have to turn on the e-reader and have it wiped down to be seached for explosives, along with my laptop, my iphone, or whatever other electronic device I would happen to have with me, that doesn't sound convenient to me.

Your Ipod, dishwasher, and running water points are all great.  I would like to point out however, that a dishwasher speeds up the cleaning of my dishes, and in some cases may clean my dishes better than I could by hand, using hotter water and harsher soaps that might irritate the skin.  Having all my music in my Ipod is a great convenience yes, and is different from an e-reader in that I may get sick of a song and skip song for new one that I haven't listened to too often.

You and I may be very different and probably are, but I don't usually pick up one book to start it then put it down in the middle to start a whole new one.  Which is why I don't see the need to keep 2 Gigs worth of books with me at all times.  I don't even re-read a novel that I have already read, so why carry it with me like some sort of trophy?

I understand your point of having the freedom to choose whether or not we adopt this technology or not, my argument is that I don't believe the covenience out weighs the glaring problems of reading from an electronic device, ie. battery life, screen clarity, to name a couple.

I appreciate your patriotic views, and consider myself a patriotic American as well, however at a time when the government is on the verge of telling us where, when and what kind of healthcare we can get, Im not sure that everyone will feel as you and I obviously do.

Maybe I have come across a little strong with my argument, it is not my intent to be histerical about a potential problem that I see here, but it is my intent to get people to stop and really think for one second, is this really convenient?  What is the purpose of this? 

We aren't doing stem cell research because we morally feel we shouldn't, but we certainly can; and I feel would benefit us more than having yet another way to read the written word.  Doesn't that seem backwards?