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12-07-2009 05:01 PM - last edited on 12-07-2009 05:46 PM
Just got back from my local B&N with a demo nook. Being a technical person, I have dealt with slow, buggy, alpha and beta soft/hardware, and the nook software probably needed a few more builds before it was released to the public. Although I didn't experience any crashes or Android force closes, I did find myself clicking extra a few times because the lag made it feel like my original commands had not registered.
The hardware itself was solid feeling, even a bit heavy for its size. I would have prefered the bezel be pure white instead of the current light gray, which looked a little "dirty" to me. The actual E-ink screen seemed to have a very slight yellow/parchment cast to it compared to other displays I've seen. The much talked about "reformatting" screen when loading a book was not too bad, but all the demo files on the nook were small.
My biggest gripe at this point is that side-loaded content shows up in a separate section from your B&N downloads under "my library". This means that there is no cover flow search, or sort for non-B&N content. This is a major issue for me. I have a huge collection of ebooks that I have collected and will be stuck navigating through them using a flat list, unable to apply any sort to them (such as author, title, etc).
Really I don't anticipate buying many books from the B&N online bookstore, at least until I read through the hundreds of epub and PDF files I already have. The fact this non-B&N content is tossed off to the side is fairly off-putting, and is making me look a little harder at the Sony PRS-300 or 505.
I will hang on to my pre-order for now, with much hope that B&N will be active in providing software updates that address customer concerns or that the Android dev community will adopt the nook as their next hacking project. The possibilities for this device are tremendous and B&N could have a Kindle-killer on their hands if they are active with updates, or provide an SDK (or have left it open enough for devs).
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12-07-2009 05:21 PM
Hadn''t even noticed that issue yet, and it's one I'll run into as soon as I start loading more of my existing material.
Sure hope this gets fixed. People gripe about iTunes, but it doesn't segregate the stuff you've loaded yourself from Apple-sourced material. I can understand if (at least on non-epub) it had to substitute some generic screen image in the cover view, but it shouldn't leave them out.
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12-07-2009 05:30 PM
Wow, if this is true about the search and cover flow being unavailablefor the side-loaded content, it may unfortunately be the nail in the coffin for me. I hope it was a mistake on your part, or something that can be changed before I have to make my decision. =(
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12-07-2009 05:44 PM - last edited on 12-07-2009 05:50 PM
An update:
I just saw in the user guide that there is a filter, sort, and search function in the "My Documents" list, thankfully. Obviously I missed this during my hands-on.
But.. side-loaded documents are still segregated from B&N content and the cover-view feature is not available.
Another issue that has been addressed in other threads is that the nook does not respect folders for side-loaded content. The user guide specifically states that you can organize your documents into as many folders as you want, but the nook will show them as a flat list. It really would not be difficult for the software to simply show the folder structure that is created when content is copied over, and this would make the lack of cover-view a little more bearable.
The manual makes very clear distinction between "My B&N Content" and "My Documents". It certainly looks at this time that there is no way to have a unified library if you decide to copy your own files to your nook.
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12-07-2009 07:15 PM
Yeah, that needs to be fixed,
PRONTO
It should be a streamlined experience.
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12-07-2009 07:43 PM
Haven't they always said that not all features would be available on side-loaded content?
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12-07-2009 08:04 PM
pantala wrote:
My biggest gripe at this point is that side-loaded content shows up in a separate section from your B&N downloads under "my library". This means that there is no cover flow
search, or sortfor non-B&N content. This is a major issue for me. I have a huge collection of ebooks that I have collected and will be stuck navigating through them using a flat list,unable to apply any sort to them (such as author, title, etc).
Really I don't anticipate buying many books from the B&N online bookstore, at least until I read through the hundreds of epub and PDF files I already have. The fact this non-B&N content is tossed off to the side is fairly off-putting, and is making me look a little harder at the Sony PRS-300 or 505.
What is Sony navigation like?? How are their books/files stored?
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12-07-2009 08:35 PM
Wow, nice of B&N to keep that little bit of info regarding the segregation of "side-loaded" ebooks and B&N ebooks in the library under wraps until now. Searching through an entire, complete library of ebooks on a device is a fundamental function of an ereading device. If the device cannot perform that basic function it is failing on the most basic of levels. The fact the "side-loaded" ebooks are purposely given subpar, limited functionlity on the device is a sad marketing ploy on the side of B&N. Shame on you. An ebook in the same format as those bought through B&N should be treated the same way.
I've been using an ereader for 5 years now and I have alot of ebooks in my pre-existing library. I love my current Ebookwise ereader but it only has 128 MB of storage space. I ordered a Nook because I wanted to contain my large ever growing library of ebooks in one place with the ability to search all my content equally through a filtered search or by the covers. Without full functionality for all the content I own now and what I buy in the future, the device is too inconvenient to be of use to me.
B&N, this is completely a software issue on your part. Please fix it. I want to keep my Nook when it is delivered. It has the potential to be great but as it stands right now it is stunted.
BTW - My EBookwise ereader is backlit, easy to read, easy to use, has a dictionary look up, and lasts for a week on a charge. I can add pages to write annotations, highlight, and search though all my content.
All this and it is only $89. Even with all its attributes, I was willing to give the Nook a chance. Ironically, B&N recently bought Ebookwise/Fictionwise company a while back.
Oh, and one more thing... Using the access to thousands of free or low cost literature classics from B&N or google as a marketing carrot doesn't really work. Manybooks.net and Project Gutenburg have all of the literature classics in their tens of thousands of ebook library nicely formated in every ebook reader format available for free. The only problem is that it would be "side-loaded" content on the Nook.
Sincerely,
MJC95
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12-07-2009 11:34 PM
Well I must say this is beyond disappointing. I guess B&N does not have a comprehensive understanding of ereaders and the fact that people who own them download books from multiple sources, not just the manufacturer. I see this as a major fail on the part of B&N.
I do wonder if when you are side loading a book from your computer if a folder for My B&N is displayed. It sounds like this is true for My Documents, so as long as they don't 'hide' the My B&N folder it seems like you could just move your previously downloaded content to the B&N folder. Of course I'm sure this is wishful thinking! ![]()
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12-07-2009 11:58 PM
This is very, very disappointing. One of the biggest advantages of the nook is the relatively open platform. I really hope this is fixed in an update soon.
Just integrate them all together in one library. If it's side-loaded, display an empty cover (or the first page, or something). There's no way it's that hard to do.
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12-08-2009 12:01 AM
"It sounds like this is true for My Documents, so as long as they don't 'hide' the My B&N folder it seems like you could just move your previously downloaded content to the B&N folder. Of course I'm sure this is wishful thinking!"
I was reading the User Guide and it explicitly says that if you place any other documents in My B&N folder, the nook will automatically delete them.
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12-08-2009 12:12 AM
This plus engadget's review lead me to believe B&N put a lot of time into making the nook an excellent platform for selling ebooks. After all, one of the only solid positives engadget noted was the shopping experience. And now it seems B&N has crippled the device for non-B&N books to make side-loading non-DRM'd works less appealing to owners.
But wait, there's more. I seriously think you guys are in for an even bigger shock once people get more time in with the device. I've seen B&N propaganda that clearly stated that bookmarking, highlighting, and annotations only worked with books purchased from B&N. At the time, I thought, "surely that was mis-stated." Now I can't wait for the poo o hit the fan if that is indeed the case.
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12-08-2009 12:15 AM
Yes, I'm really unsure why people are acting surprised. I knew this way back in early November.
EmmettSnape wrote:Haven't they always said that not all features would be available on side-loaded content?
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12-08-2009 12:25 AM - last edited on 12-08-2009 12:28 AM
JWFord wrote:
But wait, there's more. I seriously think you guys are in for an even bigger shock once people get more time in with the device. I've seen B&N propaganda that clearly stated that bookmarking, highlighting, and annotations only worked with books purchased from B&N. At the time, I thought, "surely that was mis-stated." Now I can't wait for the poo o hit the fan if that is indeed the case.
Hold on, this is not true according to the User Guide.
You can bookmark eBooks in EPUB and PDB formats in the My B&N Library and My Documents sections of your library. You cannot bookmark periodicals in My B&N Library. You cannot bookmark PDF files. You can highlight and annotate eBooks in EPUB and PDB formats in the My B&N Library and My Documents sections of your library. You cannot highlight or annotate periodicals in My B&N Library. You cannot highlight or annotate PDF files.
I want to make sure that we keep the facts straight in this thread, so if a concern is raised and someone finds a solution please post it.
The FAQ on nook.com does state that certain features are limited to purchased titles only, however it does not mention that side-loaded content will be segregated and that it will not be available in the cover-view, probably the #1 use of the #1 distinguishing feature (touch screen) between the nook and the Kindle.
A number of nook features apply only to eBooks purchased through Barnes & Noble.com. These are stored in your online digital library and include: bookmarks, highlighting, notes, lending, rating, recommending, and cross-platform reading.
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12-08-2009 02:55 AM
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12-08-2009 08:00 AM
By "side-loaded-content" do they mean anything not purchase at the B&N website, or anything that is not in eReader (PDB) format?
My suspicion is that they mean non PDB stuff (ePub and PDF). My guess would be because they have different reader software for those formats than they do for PDB (eReader) format. This is probably because B&N is not developing that software, they are just using the software that was developed by someone else for the Android platform. Whether or not B&N can fix that issue is an interesting question.
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12-08-2009 08:06 AM
SInce when did ePub books include an embedded jpeg thumbnail of a cover page? I personally didn't expect to be able to use the cover flow feature for anything other than B&N downloads since it's a unique feature. What's the point of flowing through a bunch of "Missing Image" cover pages? And if you thought it would be easy to substitute the missing images with some kind of on-the-fly rendered title text that's well-formatted with appropriate line breaks and readable at that thumbnail size, you're kidding yourselves.
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12-08-2009 09:12 AM
knickerhawk wrote:SInce when did ePub books include an embedded jpeg thumbnail of a cover page? I personally didn't expect to be able to use the cover flow feature for anything other than B&N downloads since it's a unique feature. What's the point of flowing through a bunch of "Missing Image" cover pages? And if you thought it would be easy to substitute the missing images with some kind of on-the-fly rendered title text that's well-formatted with appropriate line breaks and readable at that thumbnail size, you're kidding yourselves.
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm also convinced that several posters on this thread need to RTFM before making off the cuff comments/conclusions.
Third parties and B&N williningness to an open SDK may bring future enhancements to browsing My Documents portion of the nook. But honestly, as long as search features and folders/organizational capacity, which is part of the My Documents, then browsing non B&N books, music etc should be easy.
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12-08-2009 09:21 AM
Once you have more than a few documents loaded, cover selection turns out to be the fastest way to get at anything -- because the other option means selecting from the eink screen, which (just as it is on the Kindle) is not a particularly speedy operation.
I'd take a generic "no image found" in the cover display and all my books present in a heartbeat.
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12-08-2009 10:17 AM
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Once you have more than a few documents loaded, cover selection turns out to be the fastest way to get at anything -- because the other option means selecting from the eink screen, which (just as it is on the Kindle) is not a particularly speedy operation.
I'd take a generic "no image found" in the cover display and all my books present in a heartbeat
What good is a generic "no image" cover page thumbnail? If you've ever worked with Photoshop Bridge, Lightroom or similar tools for organizing images you know what I mean when I say that a generic thumbnail is next to useless. A better solution would be to utilize a vertical (text-based) display of titles in the LCD for non-conforming formats with some kind of ability to jump to or "rush" to the first title of a given letter. Certainly not as sexy as the cover flow but probably reasonably easy to implement and usable.
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