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PokerAce
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I've seen it and touch it

I can't wait,  Was in my local B&N and was told that the display had just came in. (This was Friday)  So since I was waiting for so long to resolve a return the manager sent someone back to get it.  He warned me it probably wasn't charged yet but I was ok with that.  So out it came, it did have a charge and I got to play with it about 5 minutes.  I was worried about the buttons, was afraid I would keep hitting them and turning the page accidently.  The buttons have to have a little pressure so you won't be losing your place.  Seemed very responsive to me.  I didn't notice any hugh lag time that I've been hearing about,  I really liked the feel of it.  It wasn't really set up yet for the wifi display so can't say anything about that.  But I feel really good about my decision to wait for this.  Oh and mine is shipping on time he said, which is the 8th.  I hope but if not I will wait.

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joeypore
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Re: I've seen it and touch it

Awesome, good to hear.

 

I would stop by a B&N this week, but I have a million things going on this week.

 

So yeah....

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catpaws1982
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Re: I've seen it and touch it

it's awesome! I love it!

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Planethill
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And there you go...the first of many!

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athenagwis
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Woot! Lucky!! can't wait to hear many many more first hand accounts starting tomorrow!!

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lilio
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Re: I've seen it and touch it

Great to hear that people have actually touched a nook!  I will check with my local store later this week - since it is a smaller store, not sure it will get one soonest.  Still, Great that they are becoming available.  I am waiting, waiting, waiting in gleeful anticipation.

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boyscout
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Re: I've seen it and touch it

I've had the opportunity to use both the Kindle, and as of today, the nook.  Both devices were totally new to me so I have no bias either way.  Having read the information and comparisons between the devices, I was excited to try the nook, having already tried the Kindle.  IMHO, the nook is far from ready for "prime time".  It was surprisingly slow and buggy, and very frustrating.  I often thought it had simply locked up.  I heard that a firmware upgrade was soon to be available, perhaps before the holidays.  Still, I think B&N will have a difficult time selling them based on what I saw... I'm in no hurry for a reader, so I'll wait to see if there is any improvement over the next month or so... If you are in a hurry, though, buy a Kindle. 

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Planethill
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Re: I've seen it and touch it

Really?  That was not my experience today at all.

 

The unit I actually touched at my local B&N showed no signs of this mysterious "lag" & certainly no "bugs". Where exactly did you hear about this firmware upgrade?

 

I think the FUD machine is running at full steam these days.  :smileyvery-happy:

 

 

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ediebTN
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Re: I've seen it and touch it

I had the chance to spend about 10 minutes playing wih the nook in the store today.  I had already read the reviews and expected a lag.  It lagged, but not bad.  I was impressed.  Moving from item to item, going through all the various areas, I found it easy to navigate.  I was never 'lost' and thoroughly enjoyed playing with it. 

 

My delivery date is currently December 14th.  I hope that doesn't get pushed back.  I'm anxious for my own nook.

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BartleyR7
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Registered: 11-24-2009

I've Used nook - Short Review/Impressions

 

Like some others here, I made it a point to go to the local B&N store today to see if I could get my hands on nook.  I have a pre-order scheduled to ship December 18.  First let me give everyone a little background about myself.  I'm a professor (Computer Science) with a Ph.D. in Computer Science and Engineering.  I also have a B.S. and M.S. (both in Computer Engineering).  This is my fourth year teaching full-time, and I've also had the opportunity to work for some large corporations (GE Aircraft Engines and Rockwell Automation) in the quality assurance (QA) and software engineering departments.  To this end, I would consider myself very familiar with technology.  I mainly use Macs (MacBook Pro at home and Mini with Xserve at work), and I love my iPod Touch.  I do not have an iPhone and instead use a Blackberry.  I don't consider myself one of these people who wants (or needs) a single device that does everything.  In addition to my regular laptop, I have a ultra-portable netbook that I use around the house just for Internet/email and some light typing.  I do have some patience with technology, but I am happier when it "just works."  This will be my first eReader.  I have spent less than 10 minutes with my friend's Kindle 2 and even less than that with a Sony eReader Touch Edition at the local Best Buy.  Hopefully that helps you judge my comments below and determine if they apply to you.  My main worries, after reading the reviews posted today, concerned the interface being slow and buggy.  I am extremely used to my iPod Touch interface, and was ready to experience the worst with nook.

 

When I arrived at the store, I didn't see their nook display anywhere.  I asked an employee if they had received their demo unit, and she said yes and was in the process of setting it up.  She was very friendly and told me if I could wait 10 minutes she would bring it to me.  I browsed for right around 10 minutes, and then she showed-up with nook.

 

The first thing I noticed was the weight, and I don't mean that in a bad way.  I like devices that don't feel like they're going to break in my hands, and nook had that very pleasing mix of great aesthetics and a comfortable weight.  The rubber backing (like some reviews mentioned) is nice; it gave it a little more slip-resistance than I thought it would.  She had a book already displayed (Sense and Sensibility, I believe), so I immediately pressed the "home" button (nook 'n') to get me back to the main screen.  It required a little bit more of a press (more pressure) than the iPod, but it immediately changed the touchscreen to the home screen.  The e-ink display took a second to refresh, but I was shocked at how fast it happened.  Keep in mind that I was expecting the worst possible after reading the reviews.  I used the touchscreen to navigate to the "Library" section and browse.  They only had two books loaded, so I selected the other book.  It wasn't until I finally selected the book to read (there are some menus that you have to go through to get there) that I thought about the slow interface/software.  Yes, the touchscreen interface is a little slower than that of the iPod Touch, but I didn't notice it because the e-ink display refreshes slower than the touchscreen (as expected).

 

Before the book is displayed, there is a substantial "rendering" screen that is displayed.  I assume this is nook formatting the book according to your settings (font size and style).  However, it was nothing that seemed too terrible.  As some reviews have mentioned, the Kindle does this much faster than nook, but I only waited around 3-4 seconds for the rendering to complete.  I proceeded to flip through some of the pages using the physical forward/backward buttons, and I felt the e-ink display refresh to be adequate.  It's certainly not the fastest thing in the world, but it certainly was not unusable.  I did appreciate the definite key press of the forward/backward buttons, and they were positioned perfectly on the device for my hands.  What I did notice is that on pages are graphics-heavy (such as the book cover), it takes longer (sometimes on the order of 3 or 4 times as long) for the e-ink display to refresh and show the graphics.  Having little experience with Kindle, I can't say if this is the case across the board with eReaders.

 

I tried the searching feature mainly to test out the onscreen (virtual) keyboard.  It works really well and, if you haven't seen any new pictures, consumes the entire touchscreen.  What you're searching for appears directly above it on the e-ink display.  This results in a split second lag between when you press the key and when it appears due to the inherent speed of current e-ink technology.  It wasn't anything that I thought would be an issue.  To my surprise, the search occurred very quickly.  I spent a minute messing with, what Apple would call, the "cover flow" view for books.  It worked okay, but you have to forget that there's anything like it on the iPod/iPhone.  When I use my finger to scroll, the screen stutters a little before the motion is replicated.  In other words, it is nowhere near as fluid as the iPod/iPhone interface.  However, it's not a deal-breaker (at least not for me).  This is a software issue that can (and probably will) be fixed in subsequent software releases.  I did find the scrolling feature very usable when not browsing full-color book covers.  When using the touchscreen to move up and down a list, I felt it was just as responsive as my iPod.  One thing it did seem to lack is momentum scrolling, but I can easily compensate for this.  I continued to play with nook for around 20 minutes and was actually able to teach the saleswoman a few things about the device.  I didn't experience any crashes or the dreaded "Android OS crash", but I don't deny that it is a possibility.

 

For me, this device fills a specific need/desire - being able to read books and my personal PDFs in a compact and easy-to-use fashion.  I don't need it to have a Web browser (I have computers, a Blackberry, and an iPod for that), and I don't need it to be a music player (and did not test its music-playing functions).  I don't even need it to play audiobooks or read to me.  I enjoy reading and can speed read much faster than a device can read to me, and I'm just not sold on the quality of the text-to-speech right now (although it remains vastly improved from just 5 years ago).  I am 100% sold on the quality of the hardware B&N has constructed and is delivering to market.  Until you actually hold one in your hands, I don't think you can appreciate the excellent weight and near-perfect feel of the device.  Yes, it remains a tad "industrial" in its appearance, but I believe it improves (aesthetic-wise) from the Kindle.  What I was concerned about, the software, could stand a revision or two in the near future.  From many reviews, it appears B&N is aware of the issues and is working on a fix.  I don't think anyone knows when this fix might come, but I believe that it will eventually be there.  In the interim, nook is completely usable.  Once I had the book selected and the touchscreen turned off, it felt just like I was reading a physical book.  For me, that's the point of this device - make it as much like a real book as possible.  In my mind, I'm trying to look ahead and see where eBooks will be in a year or two (difficult to predict).  I like the idea that B&N is supporting the ePub format, and I know several other manufactures have said they support it as well.  I feel more limited with the Kindle and Amazon, and that might be something that is just "for now" and changes one day.  It also might be due to my limited experience with the Kindle (although I have nothing but good things to say about all of my regular purchased from Amazon).

 

It was an easy decision to keep my pre-order.  If you're on-the-fence (especially after reading some reviews) like I was, I encourage you to see if your local B&N has a demo unit you can try.  For me, all I really want is a good quality eReader that lets me forget I'm using technology while I'm reading.  Nook satisfies all of those requirements.  As a previous software developer and a current computer engineer/scientist, I remain confident that the initial bugs in the nook OS can (and will) be corrected via software updates from B&N.  In days when my DVD/BD player has to connect to the Internet to get an update before I can watch a movie, I don't think it's too much to assume a new eReader may need to (occasionally) do the same thing.  After all, isn't that one of the advantages of a connected device?

 

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nfdg03
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Re: I've Used nook - Short Review/Impressions

BartleyR7 - very well stated - a solid, thorough review & I echo all your review points.  When I tried the nook today I was very pleased (and pleasantly surprised) with it and thought the "reading experience" was excellent - my only complaint is after trying the demo in the store it only made my wait for my nook's delivery that much more painful - but hey, I have lived without an ereader so far - so I can be patient and wait a week or so more for the UPS man.

 

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Planethill
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Re: I've Used nook - Short Review/Impressions

I also tried a Nook today and liked it.  I was also looking for the horrible lag and non-responsive touch screens.  I found neither, but then again I am used to hi-tech devices.  It worked fine for me...and only made me want mine more! 

 

I don't understand why some people have had a very hard time operating it.  Then again there are those who can't figure out how to change the clock on their microwave or use their intermittant wipers so it's not that much of a surprise.  Even less actually READ instruction manuals.  :smileyvery-happy:

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njnookman
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Re: I've Used nook - Short Review/Impressions

BartleyR7:  excellent post, very thorough, comprehensive, and objective.

 

I saw nook for the first time Saturday night, read all the magazine reviews Sunday, then demo'd and answered questions from customers all day today!  It was obvious that the "delays" in refresh and screen speed were NOT turning people off, even those who said they had read all the reviews.  It's a case of "the critics didn't like it, but the public did!"

 

I saw firsthand the "slow reformatting" response.  At first blush, every font change caused the re-flow action to occur, incurring a 2-3 second delay before starting to read.  I had heard there would be a firmware change to fix it in January, but....

 

......around about 5PM, all the units were busy receiving an Over-the-air (OTA) firmware update!!!  And lo and behold -- the reformatting message had largely disappeared, and the "delay" on opening a document went from 3-4 seconds to less than 2 (sometimes, I could perceive no extra delay at all)!

 

This is a lesson in responsiveness, and I need to "shout out" to the folks in I/T who are CLEARLY on the lookout to remedy initial bugs as fast as they can, as soon as they can.  For this issue to surface on Saturday, be voiced on Sunday, and FIXED ON MONDAY FOR EVERYONE is a major win for customer service.  The device has a good architecture, and "should" be responsive to quick, clean, frequent bug fixes and feature improvements, when customers need them.

     But what we all learned today is, that there is a COMPANY standing behind these features making sure they get used on customers' behalf.

 

NOW I'm really going into cheerleading mode!!!!!

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Denker
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I demoed two separate devices for a long time today at the New York Lexington store. I had lag on one, but then I found out that all 4 of the demos in the store (I wish they would sacrifice one to sell to me) were working off of the same account. I tried the very first one in the line and it was extremely responsive. I believe there is nothing to fear in the system, especially because the android os is so flexible for updates. Menus can be improved just as they are on any mobile device. I also tried a kindle this past week and the nook is much more comfortable in my hands. Also, don't forget that when you demo, the models in the store are set up so that you can see what happens when you buy a book etc., you can even change menu settings to really see how the device works. I can't wait to be reading from mine when I get it :smileyhappy:

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T-BONECA
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Re: I've Used nook - Short Review/Impressions

Well I stopped at the Fullerton CA store on the way home from work. This is a Christmas gift for my wife. She is a voracious reader. There were no other customers at the customer service counter and I was able to "play" with the Nook for 10 or so minutes. Understand I have never touched a Kindle or Sony reader but I did not find the "Delay" for refreshing the screen objectionable. It took no longer than an actual page turn in a paper book. I, and I hope my wife, can live with that. After reading all the reviews I was concerned about the response time. I'm not any longer.

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MarshallJD2323
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Tried it out at a local Barnes & Noble here in Northern California.  Loved it.  Refresh times on the E-Ink screen were quick - the over-the-air update must have sped things up.  Was not appreciably slower than Kindle2.  However, B&N "cover flow" on the bottom screen was not fluid - very jerky and laggy.  I hope this is updated quickly as well.

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BlueHairBob
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Played with one this evening and agree with these reviews. I liked it.

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Devilstower
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Re: I've Used nook - Short Review/Impressions

Your impressions closely match my own.

 

Though some reviews have speculated that the CPU inside the nook might not be very capable, my take after working with it is that all of the apparent sluggishness is generated by waiting for the eink screen to refresh.

 

The solution is simple: move most or all of the interface to the touchscreen and minimize updates of the eink. It will result in a much smoother user experience, and I hope that B&N takes this route in updates.

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lilio
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I have a serious case of nook envy!  I haven't had time to get to my local BN, and as a small store, not sure it will have one yet.  I will have to call and see, then neglect something else to go see/visit/bond with nook! 

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lindag8r
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Re: I've seen it and touched it--Ho hum

Saw TWO at my local BN store (which was a surprise as we are certainly NOT a metropolitan location).  Both were sluggish.  I was not able to access "the store" at all and no books were loaded on the unit to browse.  I was able to look at an article in "the daily" and the tales of slow screen refresh are true.  The lower cover flow was actually smoother and a little more responsive than the rest of the features.  

 

I am still somewhat excited about my nook; but now I am not as impressed.  This software could have been cleaned up and tweaked a bit more before release.  I mean it is not like BN delivered on their promise date thus far, so might as well have used that extra time to polish the finished product.  Oops,  did I type that out loud?