03-28-2007 11:03 AM - edited 03-28-2007 11:03 AM
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03-28-2007 11:42 PM
What is the importance of the line in Fathers and Sons that says “when you have shot one bird flying, you have shot all birds flying” [Snow of MT.KMJ page 63]?
The importance of the line “when you have shot one bird flying, you have shot all birds flying” from Fathers and Sons is that it shows how Hemingway feels about the experiences in his life. It reflects his thoughts that if you do something once then you will feel the same sensations if you do it again. He says on page 63 of The Snows of Kilimanjaro “The sensation is the same and the last one is as good as the first”. In this sentence he is talking about shooting flying birds. Hemingway feels that if you shoot one flying bird down then you will feel the same way if you shoot another down, even if they are different birds. Luckily for Nick he enjoys hunting, and continues to enjoy it.
This statement could also be taken as an example of iceberg theory. Many people probably realize that the sentence “when you have shot one bird flying, you have shot all birds flying” is very close to the popular phrase “If you have seen one, then you have seen them all.” If you look at it that way, then Hemingway’s statement about shooting birds could reveal his thoughts on women, Indians, and father-son relationships. It is known that Hemingway did not think highly of women, so he could be saying that all women are bad. He also says in Fathers and Sons that he thinks all Indians have a sweet smell to them. Lastly, he draws parallels between his relationship with his dad and that of his son’s, saying that all father-son relationships are the same. In conclusion, Hemingway likes to stereotype!
03-28-2007 11:46 PM
Would you consider the major to be a real hero in this story according to Hemingway’s heroic code? What characteristics qualify him as a traditional hero? Give examples to support your analysis.
I would totally consider the major to be one of Hemingway’s heroes. This is because he fits most of the characteristics of a hero listed in the version of Hemingway’s heroic code provided by Mrs. Sweetmon (Thanks you’re awesome!!!). This code states that a hero to Hemingway is one who is caught in violent struggle for survival, is motivated by his own (rather than society’s) consciousness of right and wrong, lives by rigid inner discipline, can be afraid but is contained by his discipline, has pain and death as his elements of catharsis, and is either an apprentice or a mentor.
The major is shown as one who is caught in a violent struggle for survival through his struggle to regain use of his hand. His hand is at the time shriveled up and useless, but he has faith in machines to rebuild it up. His continual use of the machines shows his own view of right and wrong, through his use of the machines even though most of his fellow soldiers do not, his rugged inner discipline, through his use of the machines every day non stop, and his ability to be afraid but contain it, through his use of the machines even though he fears they don’t work. The major is shown to be one who has pain and death as his catharsis when his wife dies. Before his wife dies, the major is a normal functioning human being with some hope in the future. When he learns of his wife’s death, he undergoes his catharsis and afterwards he changes his attitude on the world to becoming less hopeful and more depressed. Lastly, he is shown as a mentor to Nick Adams. He teaches Nick a very valuable lesson: to not marry if he is in a position to lose his marriage, which also shows Hemingway’s feelings on pre-war marriage. In conclusion, the major is clearly one of Hemingway’s heroes.
03-28-2007 11:48 PM
What are some ways that Hemingway links the Nick Adam’s stories chronologically? If you don’t think there are any, then why do you think Hemingway wrote them like that?
03-29-2007 09:10 AM
03-31-2007 09:58 AM
kaylap wrote:Which of the stories did you think would be the hardest to understand?
I do not think in those terms so it is an impossible question for me to answer. How would I know ahead of time, before I read them which one will be hard to understand?
04-01-2007 05:45 PM
what type of effect do you think going to war had on nick?
I believe that going to war had a tremendous impact on Nick. There is evidence of this in all of his post-war stories, specifically “A Way You’ll Never Be” and “In Another Country.” In “A Way You’ll Never Be,” the story centers around the psychological effect going to war has had on Nick. Throughout the story Nick is suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), causing him to have flashbacks of the “man with the beard who looked at him over the sights of the rife, quite calmly before squeezing off, the white flash and clublike impact, on his knees.” Nick also suffers in conversational matters, where he is unable to carry on a casual conversation with the adjutant and the other men because he is unable to sort through appropriate conversational topics due to everything seeming to be menial compared to his wartime experience.
Another example of the effect of the war on Nick can be seen in Hemingway’s story “In Another Country.” In this short story, the focus is brought to the isolation that Nick feels after going to war. Nick is isolated from everyone else in society because of “something that had happened that they, the people who disliked us, did not understand,” mainly being the horrifying experiences he went through in the war. Nick’s personal wartime experience also causes him to be isolated from his fellow soldiers, who make him realize that he is more cowardly than many of his brethren, which he explains here: “I knew that I would never have done such things, and I was very much afraid to die, and often lay in bed at night by myself, afraid to die and wondering how I would be when I went back to the front again.”
04-21-2007 08:49 PM
04-26-2007 01:19 PM
you think in the Nick Adams stories there is a great deal of racism?
and DO you think for Nick, being an adult is not so easy for him?