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Dear Lyn, (who's Lyn? see last week, clicking here)
I was going home on the subway today, and a coworker told me she liked that I had “fully expressed” myself is a couple areas, like painting and writing. I have worked hard to project my voice out of my skin, to express myself. But with neurosis. When I was growing up, my brother was a popular kid who liked loads of liquor and impressing the school, which he could. I looked up to him--too much. I think that that awe developed my main neurosis: I wanted to be bigger than I was, and to be seen more than I was, and to be respected by hoards of drunk or wild admirers.
I also had another side to me, which was my harsh and restrictive discipline. In contrast to my brother, I was the “nerd,” the kid who needed approval from people who were not just our friends but had publicly established credentials: our parents, teachers, and some imagined popular vote who would rate me properly when I ran as the “first woman president.” I was a dutiful narcissist.
Those feelings can lead to creative inhibition. My coworker told me I had “fully expressed” myself, but I know that sometimes I try too hard, and when I try so hard, I feel like a morphed me emerges. In this week’s plate portrait, of June Jordan, I stopped myself after 2 hours of painting, so that I would not overdo it like I sometimes feel I overdo it when I try to get the likeness “just right.”

Lyn, you love June Jordan, who shoots from the gut because she doubts the head when the head is too insistent on its way of doing things. You sent me three emails asking me for her picture. I didn’t know her at all when you said she was a great poet and activist. Here’s what I’ve found out about her:
—Another bisexual. You do keep asking me to paint women who like women. I went to a play at your club this weekend, and I saw Lori E. Seid, a gender bender, producing young girls in a play in which they supported each others’ “full expressions.” The main idea of the play, I felt, came in the last piece, when the girls said “girls are emotional! F--k really, really rational education.”
—Jordan dedicated her memoir, Soldier: A Poet's Childhood, to her father. It dissects her awe for a man who had her memorize excerpts from classic texts and who beat her when he felt frustrated.
--She published about 27 books, mostly poetry, including a biography and many books of political essays. She went on to teach at Yale and Sarah Lawrence and to be a full professor in the Departments of English, Women Studies, and African American Studies at the University of California Berkeley. At Berkeley, she founded Poetry for the People, which goads students on to use poetry as a means of “full expression.” “I did not wake up one morning ablaze with a coherent vision of Poetry for the People,” Jordan has said. “The natural intermingling of my ideas and my observations as an educator, a poet, and the African-American daughter of poorly documented immigrants did not lead me to any limiting ideological perspectives or resolve. Poetry for the People is the arduous and happy outcome of practical, day-by-day, classroom failure and success.”
—She died from breast cancer at age 65.
—She wrote this, in her poem “I Must Become a Menace to my Enemies”:
“I will no longer lightly walk behind
a one of you who fear me:
Be afraid.
I plan to give you reasons for your jumpy fits
and facial tics.”
Ilana Simons is a therapist, literature professor, and author of A Life of One's Own: A Guide to Better Living through the Work and Wisdom of Virginia Woolf. Visit her website here.
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This story has left me a little confused. Which isn't unusual, until I sort through it. I see it in this painting. At first, I wasn't going to comment. Contrary to your blog title, I am not judging. But you do love a challenge!
I see all of the correlations, between yourself and this writer, June Jordan. Between the artist who struggles with everything that intimidates, challenges, and corrupts the flow of the creative being. These feelings aren't new to me. But it is a revelation when you finally see these struggles; learning what they are, and where they need to be placed. There is a little room for each of these struggles. You try to keep the door closed on them, but they do seep out from under the threshold, every once in a while.
Your painting this week, to be honest (as you've been with yourself, and us), left me cold. In a technical way, the white of paint does nothing to give reality, or life, to make this figure alive. The eyes are cold. There is no illumination, reflective light. The skin is cold. Our moods are always formed within our art. I can't feel the creative being inside of this woman. Nothing comes to me. After reading her poem, I felt she intimidated your own art work.
Paintings show predominantly two things: The artist, and the subject. Confusing these in your mind, as you paint, can render a morphing together. Is it the viewer you are trying to please, yourself, or the person you are painting? Look into the eyes. What do you feel? What do they give back to you? As I repeat myself, the eyes are the soul. There is a difference between the heart, and the soul. The heart is yours to give to a work of art, but the eyes is what that piece of art gives back to you. Look deeply.
forces to regard.
Touché.
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Yeah I say you shadows are off a bit. Try having her face be a little down looking and a few more shadows. That looks a little too statuette and loses humanity from that.
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I couldn't sleep last night, for thinking about what I'd said. This isn't right, to have to feel this way. To cry over this, is not right. These situations we're put in, to think about, to write about, are never meant to be one sided. Whether it be about someone's writing, or painting, without conversation. This is not how art is to be viewed. I still try to want to like blogs, but, I literally hate them. They're inhumane. They make me feel inhumane. A voyeur. I can't deny I enjoy the freedom to express myself on these paintings, but it doesn't feel right, being put in this position, without feedback from the artist.
Tigger, no matter what direction the face is pointing, it wouldn't change anything. Portrait painting is personal. And to paint from a photograph is the most difficult way to do it, and try not to make the picture look flat. Depth of contrast is always a major issue. A photograph is a flat surface. Two colors you must stay away from, in their pure form. Black, and white. White gives a chalky look. Black simply makes the painting look like it has holes in it. And to paint on a white surface is always dangerous. If it shows through, it has to say something.
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Kathy, I love you hun. But I did go to school for art. And yes the positioning of the face of the subject has it's own language. Which angle the artist uses shows an entirely different emotionality even with the same facial expression. Painting from a photo is hard unless your teacher makes you do it till it's not. It's a skill set.
I love black and white; done images with nothing but white, black, and grey scale oodles of times.
You're still see black and white as empty spaces. When I see them a shadow and light. This makes me want to take you on afternoon tour of an art museum with ancient Japanese art exhibit. 300 years there where it was black, white, a tiny bit of red/pink, and nothing else. Then for tea afterwards of course (smile). Bet I could change your mind.
Though I don't know why you feel so extreme about blogs. Is it the slowness or occasional(depends on the blogger) lack of give and take? I don't feel them as one sided. Too many people read them for it to be all one sided. My question is why do so few people chime in?
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Tigger, there's no need to feel you have to change my mind...my mind is open for anything.....I've seen it all.
My answers weren't meant for you, I'm sorry if it sounded as though I was giving a lecture. I honestly wasn't. I know you know as much about art as I do...it was for the listening group of non participants.
The positioning of the face wasn't my concern in this picture...it's none of my business, basically, however it's positioned. The image wasn't the issue, it's the colors. At least for me. I wasn't trying to restructure the head on the plate.
Yes, black and white, and the tones in-between has its place, I don't deny this, or challenge it, and it's beautiful in its own right, but we're talking portrait's here...this one....not specialty paintings. I didn't feel it too necessary to get off track too much, even though I tend to do that with my laments. Yes, I would love to go to a museum with you, and talk about art over a cup of tea. ![]()
I feel blogs, as I've said many times, create no way to get feedback from some bloggers. The person writing the articles, or whatever they are. The feelings are definitely my own. It's my problem. Not all bloggers do that to me. But every once in a while, especially when something so blatant as self exposure is brought to the audience, and yells to be looked at and dared to be challenged.....
......when I challenge, or give an opinion, it just lays there like a dead issue, like an animal that has been run over in the road... road kill.....and the skin used as someone's hat. I know, I know...a little on the dramatic side....and as I said, it catches up with me, until I hate everything about responding to these blasted things. I hate to critique, period, but I get caught up in it, without realizing it, or even being asked.
We weren't asked to take this painting, or any painting apart. I don't know how this makes Ilana feel. This is where I need feedback. I hurt when I don't get it. I beat myself up, because the last think I want to do is hurt her feelings, and I feel with my discussing this, it might. I ask myself, why was it necessary for me to look at these paintings, and say the things I do? I can't voice it outloud!
The confusion is, when someone puts themselves out there.....why? I'm sorry I've made an issue of this. I can't learn to know when to shut up, when I get no feedback. Do you see the blood dripping off my forehead this week? Now you know why.
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This time, dreams of June Jordan. I called her Junie. I'm going to B&N this morning, and find a book of her poems. If I find one, I'll talk about it.
Someone I know had asked me to sing with her. I had agreed, before I realized the stress that this was going to cause me. We practiced, yesterday. It frustrated me to death. She is critical, in a friendly way, but her picking at me was critical. She thinks I should be singing in her range. I'm too high for her, and the key is wrong her. I just allowed her to say what she wanted about my singing; I dropped my range, and I didn't say a word about hers. I didn't see a point in being critical of her, it wouldn't prove anything. She sings karaoke. She follows the "bouncing ball" to the letter. I can't do that, because I naturally feel the music, not stare at each word/letter that is highlighted. I want out of this situation, but I don't know how to do it without hurting her.
I find I'm this way about a lot of things, I don't want to get to a point where I hurt someone...... but I'm put in these positions.....and when I read blogs like yours, Ilana's, it's like eating complex flavors. So many flavors are introduced to me....after I take the first bite, I then have to take each component, the vegetables and meat and spices, and savor them. Talk about them. That's what It's like for me. I never know if I'm going to get any, or all, of these flavors right. I have to know, but I don't want to hurt anyone in the process. That's where feedback comes in.
I struggle between pleasing myself, and pleasing others. I don't hold myself in the position of knowing more than others, because most of what I know, ultimately, is because of what I feel from what I've learned. And how do you explain personal feelings to people? I do my best in what I write out on these boards.
I was never rebellious as a child. I was always a pleaser. I'm always haunted by these mixed feelings. I started listening to my dreams. They're like a directive. When I woke a few days ago, I didn't get out of bed until I took that dream apart, and visualized it until it started to feel like a story. My frustrations for the week. I wrote it out that day. (It's not on these boards).
A friend came by, just as I finished printing it. It was two pages. I asked her if she wanted to read it. I told her to take it home with her. I didn't want her to have to read it in front of me. She called me within the hour, and the first thing she said to me was, "you have a gift". I just laughed...she said, no really.....and said, after reading it, it made her want to read again. She's never been a big reader, and in the past couple of years has had some serious eye problems, which, thankfully, are now better.
I thought that an interesting perspective. If I please myself, do I then, in turn, please others?
Ilana, you are an artist, you know what's good, and what isn't good. You know when you've over-worked a piece, or when it's not finished, or when you have to start over. You feel it in your gut. Praise is a wonderful feeling; it's wonderful to give, and it's wonderful to get. But, ultimately, you don't need me, or anyone, to tell you what you should feel.
June Jordon obviously knew who she was. What's interesting about writing poetry, your own worst fears are staring back at you from a piece of paper. That's when you start to face them. Just as I've written all of this out to you. Words are the real deal. Now, I'm off and running!
I am woman! I am an artist! [and sometimes frustrated] [smiling]
Kathy
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Hmm that's a good point. Art needs personal discussions. A close one on one or group feeling. Well that's if one wants a really good conversation.
I'm ok with critique, so long as it's constructive in nature. Perhaps it has to do with learn adult critique in a Quarter school. If it's not constructive, one get told to make it that way. Eventually it gets to be instinctive behavior.
And well asking me my opinion, well you going to get it. I'll be constructive, blunt, and often technical; I'll try to be nice but I'm not being mean just honest. A discussion last month have me saying that the comic because I could feel his trying to be funny made him very unfunny. And I was told I was too harsh. (shrug) Just being honest for me.
I think what you want is for Ilana to say what she is asking for our opinion.
Honestly I want to know why she gives her opinion of the face owner. And why does this blog bits fell more like a discussion with someone else. What audience is she playing to?
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The game isn't fair.
I don't like my marbles taken away from me.
I have so few
as it is!
But, I play just the same.....
then go home crying!
WTF are you gonna do?
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TiggerBear wrote: Hmm that's a good point. Art needs personal discussions. A close one on one or group feeling. Well that's if one wants a really good conversation.
You're one of the select, and lucky few players in this dance, Tigger.... Which seems like I'm usually the only one who participates, here....so you're guess is as good as mine, as to the audience we're looking at. ho, hum..... I never expect a really good conversation, or even a conversation, for that matter, here on these boards. If I want a full conversation, I'll go to the current events board!....but talking about art, that's something I do want to discuss....not hear my own voice......and just a yes or no, or a one linner would work, and be good....just to see there is a warm breath on the mirror, a body that actually lurks behind the stage door.
I'm ok with critique, so long as it's constructive in nature. Perhaps it has to do with learn adult critique in a Quarter school. If it's not constructive, one get told to make it that way. Eventually it gets to be instinctive behavior.
Yes, constructive critiques.....I tried to be constructive, but like I said, we really weren't asked to critique these pictures.....Hey, thanks for your comments.....
The comparison seems to be between the art work, and the subject, giving a total feel for this person.... was my take on this. I don't know June Jordan. And we didn't see the original picture, but how that picture is portrayed (painted) is purely subjective. I shouldn't have even entered my opinion into a discussion on this, with anyone, since I wasn't asked. That's the dilemma I got myself into.
What, or who..... as you ask.... is this blog directed towards. Blogs, generally, are opinions, of one sort or another. But, as I see it, Lit & Life is no ordinary blog. It never has been, not even as a board discussion. The "Life" part comes when I enter these weekly "portraits" of Life. To balance Life with the Literature element, is the program. The sticky wicket.....and I can get caught, and trashed, for giving a life size portrait of myself, by people who don't understand the purpose of this blog. We are left to our own devises, as it were. I know what's going on, here, it's just that I don't always like it. I feel alone when I have no feedback, and it scares me that I might go too far. The boundaries are wishy-washy.
And well asking me my opinion, well you going to get it. I'll be constructive, blunt, and often technical; I'll try to be nice but I'm not being mean just honest. A discussion last month have me saying that the comic because I could feel his trying to be funny made him very unfunny. And I was told I was too harsh. (shrug) Just being honest for me.
Tigger, the short, bluntness does put up road blocks, and may sound hash in its honesty, but once we get to know you....as I've taken the time to do, you couldn't get any more caring, if you tried....I just look at the 'shugs, and nods, and body language' and laugh. You always make me laugh....especially when you're swearing at the admins! Ha! I feel your pain!
I think what you want is for Ilana to say what she is asking for our opinion.
Is she [outright] asking for our opinion? No. I see no point in blogging, though, if you aren't. Right?
Honestly I want to know why she gives her opinion of the face owner. And why does this blog bits feel more like a discussion with someone else. What audience is she playing to?
Well, starting out by addressing the blog to the Girls Club admin, was an interesting take on how to approach this blog. I liked it, but it doesn't mean she expects this woman to participate, or respond. It's what Susan did, addressing her post to Angela Davis....I've done it, myself, to VW.
I can't answer these questions, directly. We're the players, Ilana is the audience. If Iiana wants to participate, she makes the controlling discisions, as the rest of these bloggers do. For me to assume, would have me stepping over those wishy-washy boundaries. I can guess.
Now, for the next tap dance....
The Dance of The Sugar Plum Drama Queens
Performed by___________________________
I ordered June Jordan's Kissing God Goodbye. It wasn't in store.
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More paintings to judge
more colors to see
more poems to write
more life in me
How can you judge a rainbow?
how can you trust your eyes?
how many lights will shine?
what will the palette comprise?
More paintings to judge
more roads to travel
more aches in the body
more puzzles to unravel
How many days?
how many nights?
how to remove
the film from the sight
Close your eyes
and view the world
open your eyes
a vision unfurled
Close your eyes
and see with your heart
open your eyes
it is now you must start
K.
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I just got June Jordan's book today. Have you ever held a book, and part of you wanted to open it, and some deeper part of you was fearful? For some reason, that's what I was feeling. I opened the book anyway, and scanned down the titles...I turned to the last page, and read that one. The title of that poem is the title of the book.
Kissing God Goodbye. Poems 1991 - 1997.
Half-way through, I couldn't read any more. I felt the bias, right then and there....against God. And, you think I ask a lot of whys? She went on, page after page, after page. I feel the struggle she had with God. It was hard to read that struggle. I felt like I was back on this blog, struggling with struggles, both written and real....with no way to tell her she is right or wrong; no way to hear her answers. But, it's an age old struggle, her's with God, and I've heard it a million times from a million people who don't get it. But, again, why should I care if people get it, or they don't get it....it's their world, their life, not mine. But, I felt like she was throwing it in my face....so I had to turn my face away from her on this subject.
I turned to the first page, and started reading that poem. Part of me wants to continue to read June Jordan's poems, but I hate more than anything to be influenced by someone's poetry...I don't want to sound like them in any way. I'm not them, but words and placement of those words, are easy to get into, to feel deeply, for me. I am who I am, and I write the way I write, and I don't want to fall into the trap of becoming something or someone I'm not...and have people say...... why, you sound just like so-in-so....
Here is the beginning of the first poem in the book. I hear her so far.......
Poem For a Young Poet.
Most people search all
of their lives
for someplace to belong to
as you said
but I look instead
into the eyes of anyone
who talks to me
I search for a face
to believe and belong to
a loosening mask
with a voice
ears
and a consciousness
breathing through
a nose
I can see
Day to day
it's the only way
I like to travel
noticing the colors of a cheek
the curvature of brow
and the public declarations
of two lips
Okay!
I did not say male
or female
I did not say Serbian
or Tutsi
I said
what tilts my head
into the opposite of fear
or dread
is anyone
who talks to me
A face
to claim or question
my next step away
or else towards
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Hi Kathy,
It has been hard for me to enter into this dialogue, but I do want to in some way.
I did ask for input on the painting, and I was glad to get it. I can not always respond as much or as frequently as you ask. But I was not offended by hearing critique about the painting. I did feel glad that I still liked it, even after hearing some downsides of its pale pallette.
I am impressed that you bought Jordan's book--and I think that first poem is meaningful in the context of the discussion.
I hope you're feeling well today.
I'm on vacation, enjoying family in the complex way we enjoy family.
Ilana
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Thank you, Ilana, for your comments. I didn't mean to make this conversation hard for you to enter. I appreciate what ever you can give. I'm happy you like your finished painting, too. As we've said many times, paintings are very subjective.
I finished reading June Jordan's book. Thanks for the introduction.
She's definitely a force. Every word says something. When you read a novel, you don't hear every word; with her poems, you do. You hear who this woman is. I'm glad I read her. And I'm glad I found her first poem.
I'm very well, thank you.
Enjoy your vacation!
K.
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