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Next Stop: Hollywood & God; Conversing about Form with Robert Polito
I first became acquainted with Robert Polito's work in 1997 when I received the gift of his beautifully bound two book American Library set, Crime Novels.
I'd never heard of Patricia Highsmith before, but after reading The Talented Mr. Ripley on a long post-Christmas Amtrak ride, I was hooked enough to imbibe the rest of her works. Highsmith soon went through a posthumous popular resurgence after Anthony Minghella's film of the first Ripley book,
Talented Mr. Ripley.
This week, two writer friends sent me the link to another look at this great author in The New York Review of Books http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22797?email. The obsession with her continues.
Polito's work summons up the dark, nervous, mysterious vibe of the noir authors he has championed including wildcat author Jim Thompson, whom Polito wrote the ultimate biography of,
JD: Your book is refreshingly eclectic in form. As published, the order of pieces seems inevitable, but how did you go about trying to arrange your material?
RP: Thank you. From the outset I thought of Hollywood & God as a book, rather than a miscellany, or even a collection. One of the ways I saw the title is as the intersection of two streets - Hollywood & Vine, Hollywood & Gower, Hollywood & God. So the book mixes poetry and prose, mixes as well different sorts of poems, each piece tracking various claims on the author's life and a reader's attention, and there's a lot of collage, some obvious, some (I hope) seamless. But ultimately I wanted a total effect that might emerge out of the intersections and sudden turns of the prose and poetry, perhaps like the ghost of a novel, though without any manifest storyline. The ordering was, as you suggest, everything, or almost everything, and stayed in play right up until I was finished, when I reversed the order of two of the prose pieces, and the book felt done.
JD: Like many writers, you also teach (RP is Director of the New School's MFA in Creative Writing Program). When writing Hollywood & God how did you arrange your time to actually get your writing done?
RP: For poems, and even for the prose pieces in this book, I tend to take a ridiculously long time accumulating notes, lines, and stanzas - months, years - but finally then write them all up very quickly. Some of those notes are done at a desk, though many arrive under preposterous circumstances, such as on the bus to New Paltz, or during a New School meeting, or a poetry reading I'm introducing, or while researching some essay. Cause and effect are hard to distinguish here - do I work this way because of the fragmented life I have as a writer, teacher, and administrator, or do I have that life because of the way I work? Much of the New School fortunately happens in the afternoon and evening, so many mornings and, of course, weekends are pretty free.
JD: Your book summons up the music and the voices of many recordings and films. Do you read your work aloud while you are writing it? It feels as if you are channeling different voices. Not to ask the magician to reveal his secrets, but how do YOU do what you do?
RP: Often in Hollywood & God I was after a composite or collective voice. I spend a lot of time watching movies, and maybe more time listening to music. Way back, in a review of an Elvis Costello show I wrote in the 80s, I glibly called the singing I like "method acting singing," meaning, I guess, those spooky singers who dwell down deep in a lyric, and appear to inhabit from the inside any song they're singing, irrespective of whether they wrote it or not. Maybe Hollywood & God is in that sense a medley of voices - a medley of America singers who, at least over the expanse of a disconsonant phrase or line, believe deeply whatever they're singing.
JD: What are you working on now?
RP: I'm going over the galleys for a monumental book (900 pages!) I'm so happy to be involved with - Farber On Film: The Complete Film Writings Of Manny Farber, which I've just edited and will be out in the early fall from the Library of America. Manny was a friend, and the most amazing film critic and painter. He died last summer, at the age of 91, only a few months after his last gallery show of new work. Plus I'm on sabbatical
from the New School, and trying to finish a nonfiction book, Detours: Seven Noir Lives.
QUESTION OF THE WEEK for Key-bangers: That's all for now with RP. I'm curious, but I'm dear writers, how has music and film (or other art forms) influenced your work? Let us all know, and keep banging the keys http://www.bangthekeys.com.
Check out my writer's workshop in a book, Bang the Keys!
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Music...
.......is my life; I grew up with my hands on white and black keys. As with words, I wanted to connect them, to hear music, to say something real....formed into something other than inanimate objects. I find no other way around it. It's beauty, it's pain, it's all about life. I hear music in my head, constantly. I want to deny it, but it's there; I want to repulse it...but it sits in my lap..staring me in the face until I accept it.. Its form is who and what I am. I know no other way to express this. I write to music...I see it all around me...my sentences are formed with so many commas, they break because of the beat I hear in my head. My poems become lyrics to music no one else can hear. Though beautiful at times, this place, it can be lonely.
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Jill, you asked how music, film, or other art forms influence our works.
Over the last couple of years, on these boards, I've taken this time to think about these art forms....and what just exactly is their influence on me; how I have to work through them all.
I started writing a serious...I mean really serious, story. A novel in the works....in between writing poems that are now coming out my ears! This story intertwines both poems and prose...very complicated to write, let alone explain... so many voices to keep track of. I've left it alone for six months now, and going back to it, I know, will be painful, because I've tried. I've now given myself time away, without guilt, knowing this Fall I will have the "full" time to write. Taking a step back for any length of time causes problems. I'm just a novice writer...who jumped into it with both feet!
I grew up in a movie theater, literally. My father managed one in our local town. I'd read a lot of novels as a kid.... I did get to see these novels come to life, making characters bigger than the average bear! Everything from drama, to comedy; mystery to musicals; fantasy to westerns! Movie actors, at that time, were all bigger than life.
I grew up studying the piano. I went to school and studied art. I've thrown pots for over twenty years. I sculpt and manipulate clay. I "work" with my mind, as well as my hands. I use and incorporate a number of different mediums in the process. Creating is what I do. I've painted scenery for plays, and other large projects, and all is purely from my imagination, but the one thing I've never actually studied, has been writing. But I have, these last couple of years, started reading a lot about writing, and writers.
How does my art influence why I'm now writing?
I believe, the senses that we all have, the ones we trained over the years and fine tune, these [ I think], change the way we see things around us. I've told artists who have struggled with this process, the creative flow will come and be seen, but it's a process that requires the letting go of the mind, before it can be realized, and visualized. I knew what it felt like, but to explain it was difficult.
I can see words on a page, and I get visuals. I hear music, and words come to mind. I read or write a scene, and I can place other scenes around it. I connect these dots to past experiences. Daydreaming, I believe, is a necessity for any artist. It's ongoing....Finding the tools, the words to use, I fumble around. Every day I practice writing something, whether privately, or publicly on these boards, trying to keep my senses in tune. My fingers are never disconnected from my mind... The dots of all art forms are there, we just have to connect them. You call it banging on the keys...I call it playing a tune...I feel for all artists who struggle.
Kathy
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People have been asking me about the singers I had in mind when I responded to Jill’s good question about the film and music behind “Hollywood & God.”
I’ve always gravitated towards singers – hundreds of them, so here goes: Bob Dylan, Al Green, Howlin’ Wolf, Geeshie Wiley, Sam Cooke, Hank Williams, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Sister O. M. Terrell, Linton Kwesi Johnson, Chet Baker, Om Kalthoum, Paul Hillier, Otis Redding, Caetano Veloso, David Bowie, Tom Waits, Skip James, Blind Willie Johnson, Elvis Costello, Jackie Wilson, P.J. Harvey, Maria Callas, Morrissey, Syd Straw, Amalia Rodrigues, Connie Boswell, Lorraine Hunt Lieberson, Ray Davies, Mary Lee Kortes, Conchita Supervia, Jo Stafford, Emmett Miller, Frank Hutchison, Ralph Stanley, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Bryan Ferry, Cecilia Bartoli, Arthur Alexander, Bert Williams, Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Sanford Sylvan, George Jones, Charles Brown, Hoagy Carmichael, Little Richard, the Louvin Brothers, Hector Zazou, Sally Timms, Amy Winehouse, Jimmie Rodgers, Ethel Waters, Ray Charles, Louis Armstrong, Judy Garland, Elvis Presley, Little Jimmy Scott, Shane MacGowen, Charles Brown, James Brown, Rabbit Brown, Gen Autrey, Kristen Hersh, Marvin Gaye, Patti Smith, Mildred Bailey, Carmen McCrae, Neko Case, Daniel Johnson, Joe Williams, Al Jolson, Tony Bennett, Kirsten Flagstad, John Lennon, Nina Simone, Buddy Holly, Dusty Springfield, Roy Orbison, Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Johnny Hartman, Mary Weiss, Leon Payne, Justin Vernon, Nick Cave, Antony Hegarty, Chan Marshall, Sarah Vaughan , Ute Lemper, Boris Vian, Lou Barlow, Ida Lupino, M.I.A., the Carter Family, Cassandra Wilson, Nat King Cole, Lee Wiley, Patsy Cline, Shelby Lynne, the Vivian Girls, that guy in Fleet Foxes, Desmond Dekker, Beth Gibbons, Thalia Zedek....
I’ll conclude there, for now. I’m transcribing lists I made in the car (we’ve been traveling), so forgive any misspellings or repetitions. If my Ipod was handy, we’d be stopped here all day!
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