29 Replies Latest reply on Nov 26, 2011 6:40 AM by BONNIEP

    nook price more expensive than paperback??

      Before I bought my nook, I did a lot of research about all the features and benefits for having one. The price was a little high for me..for a reading device. One of the main benefits that sold me was that books would be cheaper. I rationalized this as it will eventually pay for the nook in the long run.

      Now I am ready to buy my first book to download to my nook. I look online here at Barnes and Noble for Under the Dome by Stephen King. To my disappointment and slight aggrivation, the eBook price is $2 more than the paperback at $16.99. How is that possible??! Two weeks ago, before I bought the device, I did the same search, and Under the Dome was $9.99.

      So, for some reason the electronic version has gone up in the last two weeks and it's more expensive than the paperback version. How is it that I'm paying more in order to save trees??

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          Paperback version does not come out until July 6, 2010, by then I bet the ebook price goes down.

           

          Also when I bought it, I bought the hardcover copy in costco for 15.99, I would have killed to buy the ebook version, but didn't know I was getting a nook prior to the purchase. Believe me when I tell you, the extra money for the ebook version is much better than having to lug around a thousand page book!!!!

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            flyingtoastr

            That would be our friends at the big publishers and the agency model of pricing making everyone's lives a pain.

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              Nevermore1

              I guess the price for that book has gone up agian in the past 2-3 days - it was 14.99 when I saw it on Friday.  The issue I have with pricing is that there have been a very few books that have the e-book listed twice on the BN website with different prices for each one (I beleive the last one I saw like this was a John Sandford book but I'm not really sure I've looked at so many this weekend, if I find it again I will post it).  I looked at the details in the product description and couldn't see any difference between the two except for a $2 difference in price.  At first I thought maybe I was looking at the paper back and e-book but I double checked that and they both said they were e-books available for download.  Hopefully the pricing will stabilize sooner rather than later.

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                  Nallia

                  Yes, it is very frustrating.  There are a lot of threads discussing this issue on the ebook board (where this thread belongs).  In them you will see that it isn't B&N who raised the price of ebooks; that was done by the publishers.  Five of the six largest publishers signed contracts with Apple, agreeing that no other sellers would be allowed to sell their ebooks for less than Apple's iBook store.  Then the publishers forced all of the book sellers into the Agency Model, which means that the publishers now set the prices for ebooks and sellers like B&N and Amazon have no say in them anymore.

                   

                  In some instances, prices controlled by the Agency Model will be higher at B&N and everywhere else than at Amazon.  This is because those books are published by Penguin, and Amazon doesn't have a new contract with them yet.  They are still selling through the terms of their old contract, but until they sign an Agency Model contract with Penguin, Amazon wil not be able to sell any books published by Penguin after April 1st.

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                  The thing to do is to simply refuse to buy the ebook OR the hardcover.  We are the ones who hold the keys to this problem.  I don't mind paying an author for his/her work, but as digital users we've done our part to reduce publishing costs.  We ought to be rewarded for that.  There are many, many boois competing for our dollars and if the big publishing houses don't understand it, we need to make them understand it by hitting them where it counts.

                   

                  Refuse to buy ebooks priced at more than 9.99 and send a message.

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                      OR If you have Sony GC from the Target deal a couple of weeks ago, use those for the Agency 5 books.

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                        Well said, angrycustomer.  I don't plan to buy any ebook for more than $9.99, and I also won't buy one that's more than the printed version.

                         

                        Wouldn't that agency deal fall under some sort of price fixing?  Isn't that illegal somehow?  Who has an MBA and can chime in here?  :-)

                         

                        Actually, I'd be pretty upset as B and N or  Amazon -- they have these ereader products out on the market, but for people to buy them, they (businesses) now must depend on others to price the ebooks. 

                         

                        And yes, I think we should be rewarded for doing out part in reducing publishing materials and cost instead of being punished for it. 

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                            Doug_Pardee
                            Leeza14 wrote:

                            Wouldn't that agency deal fall under some sort of price fixing?  Isn't that illegal somehow?

                            It would have been illegal in the US between 1911 and June 2007. Then the US Supreme Court, in the case Leegin Leather v. Kay's Kloset, ruled that "resale price maintenance" (the producer demanding a minimum selling price) was not inherently anti-competitive.

                             

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                              AikiPen

                              I too won't pay more than 9.99 for an ebook. About a third of my wish list is now over the 9.99 point. Fortunately I live near 2 B&N brick and mortar stores. I have been taking advantage of the 'read in store' option. I have been reading the higher priced books in store. You can't read all books in store but many of them you can. In another couple of sessions I will be finished with Andrew Zimmerman's Bizarre Truth. One more off my wish list.

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                                  Hmr28

                                  They have lost around 200.00 from me this month alone. When agency pricing went into effect I swore I would not pay more or the same price for an ebook as i would for the paperback. I am a very fast reader, reading 3-4 books a day easily if not more. I have gotten my books from the library, sat in BN on sat, and Sunday's and indulged in reading the books in the store, and bought used books but I am sticking to my guns on this and I wish everyone else would as well. The only way we can show them we have a voice is by not buying books. The whole point of their endeavor is to force people back into paying for paper books. I did not buy a 259.00 ereader to read paper books, and I refuse to cave. I suspect that many of the people who bought an ereader and read ebooks are the avid readers who buy the newest books every month. If we can hit them where it hurts for a few months hopefully they will adjust the prices to a more reasonable price point.  I've written every publisher and every author of every book I would have purchased and expressed my disdain and disgust for the whole thing. Price fixing is a no-no, and I don't care what they are calling it, this is price fixing.

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                                      bklvr896

                                       

                                      Hmr28 wrote:

                                       Price fixing is a no-no, and I don't care what they are calling it, this is price fixing.

                                       

                                       

                                      Price fixing requires some collusion between the publishers to set prices the same.  Somewhat like the oil companies all agreeing to charge the same price for a barrel of oil.  There is no hard evidence that the publishers have colluded to set the prices the same, each publisher is setting the price that they think they can get.  Most HC and paperbacks are priced the same and no one has ever accused the publishers of price fixing HC and paperback books.  

                                       

                                      I have no issue with paying $12.99 for an ebook that is released at the same time as the HC, it seems to me that if you want it when it is first released you should be willing to pay a premium for that, in the same way as you decide to purchase a HC or not.  However, after the book is no longer a new release, at by the time the paperback comes out, the ebook price should be dropped and it should be dropped below the paperback price.  And that is my complaint.  Not the new releases at a higher price, but the older books priced ridiculously.  An example is Jack Higgins A Darker Place. It is now in paperback for $9.99.  Both B&N and Sony want $18.99 for it in ebook.  That's utterly nuts.  What I'm hoping is that is simply that the website hasn't been updated and will B&N will realize this and fix the price.  Absent that it is reduced to a reasonable price (below $9.99) I will either get a DTB at the used bookstore or get it from my library (probably as DTB, as no library I have access to has it as an ebook.  

                                       

                                      Don't get me wrong, I don't like the current situation, as there is no competition and the sellers cannot offer any discounts or incentives.  And, because I can't donate, give away or sell the ebook, I take that into consideration when buying a book.   But I also believe that $9.99 is generally unrealistic and have not set it as my price point.

                                       

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                                          Hmr28

                                          I don't buy hardcover ever. I have only ever bought the paperback versions of books. Prices on books that have come out in paperback in ebook format are now the same or more than the paperback AND you can not get any type of discount. To the poster who indicated they hope BN fixes their mistake regarding prices...it is not BN who set the price it is the publisher and the price is the same across the board.

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                                              Nallia

                                              I would have no problem paying $12.99 for a new release of an ebook WITHOUT DRM, but I am not going to pay that much money for nothing more than the privilege to read it and not truly own it.

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                                                  Nallia wrote:

                                                  I would have no problem paying $12.99 for a new release of an ebook WITHOUT DRM, but I am not going to pay that much money for nothing more than the privilege to read it and not truly own it.

                                                   

                                                  I completely agree!

                                                   

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                                                      keriflur

                                                       

                                                      JdiennoPSU wrote:

                                                       

                                                      Nallia wrote:

                                                      I would have no problem paying $12.99 for a new release of an ebook WITHOUT DRM, but I am not going to pay that much money for nothing more than the privilege to read it and not truly own it.

                                                       

                                                      I completely agree!

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      +1.  Until they remove the DRM, I won't be going over 9.99, and even that's stretching it for YA books, that I can usually buy with my membership in hardcover the $10.50-$12.50.  I've got 60 books on my to-read list that I already own, so I've got plenty to read while I wait for prices to drop, and I've got quite a few ebooks under $10 on my wishlist too.

                                                       

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                                                    I have also noticed the same thing, and I also do not usually read hardcover books, only paperbacks.  There are two series that I REALLY wanted to buy as eBooks.  However, the eBooks are the exact same price as the paperbacks.  Currently, I am a B&N member.  If I were to walk into a B&N store and buy these books in paperback, I would get a discount.  Since, B&N does not allow discounts on their eBooks it is now more expensive for me to buy the eBook version than the DTB.

                                                     

                                                    I understood B&N for not offering the membership discounts when the eBooks were discounted.  But, now most of the eBooks I want are list price.  I refuse to pay more for an eBook than a paperback version.  I just do understand why B&N will not allow a membership discount on eBooks that are NOT already discounted in anyway.

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                                                  Hmr28 wrote:

                                                  They have lost around 200.00 from me this month alone. When agency pricing went into effect I swore I would not pay more or the same price for an ebook as i would for the paperback. I am a very fast reader, reading 3-4 books a day easily if not more. I have gotten my books from the library, sat in BN on sat, and Sunday's and indulged in reading the books in the store, and bought used books but I am sticking to my guns on this and I wish everyone else would as well. The only way we can show them we have a voice is by not buying books. The whole point of their endeavor is to force people back into paying for paper books. I did not buy a 259.00 ereader to read paper books, and I refuse to cave. I suspect that many of the people who bought an ereader and read ebooks are the avid readers who buy the newest books every month. If we can hit them where it hurts for a few months hopefully they will adjust the prices to a more reasonable price point.  I've written every publisher and every author of every book I would have purchased and expressed my disdain and disgust for the whole thing. Price fixing is a no-no, and I don't care what they are calling it, this is price fixing.


                                                  I agree, the price fixing on ebooks is to get people to buy print books again. They could either sell print books all at once to bookstores and make millions, or they could sell ebooks one at a time directly to the public. I think publishers would be happy if the whole ebook thing failed and became abandoned.

                                                   

                                                  I do the same thing. If an ebook is more expensive than the print book, I just barrow from the library and don't buy either.

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                                              I am new to nook and really excited to get my books in e format. I hate finding the book I want is less expensive in paperback than for my nook. I will not pay more for a nook book than a paperback. Trying to save publishing costs not to mention paper and end up paying more??? Something needs to change

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                                                AGREE!  AGREE! AGREE!  If the price is too high, I don't buy.  It has to be under $9.99.  I can always go to the library and get the hardback and read for free. 

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                                                It is not just the Agency 5 that made prices go up.  Many of the books I read are not published by Agency 5, but those prices are going up too.  One example is the current book I am reading called Circle Trilogy, (which is actually 3 novels in a series combined in 1 book) by Ted Dekker. When I bought it it was $9.99. 2 weeks after I bought it, it went up to $14.99.. However, Sony has it now for $17.49

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                                                  I was given a crook sorry a nook for Christmas and was thrilled. However i have noticed that many of the books that I have in my wish list have gone up as much as four dollars in the last few months. I will admit that it is handy to have all of my books on one device, but you can only read one book at a time so I think I will stick to my books and let my crook sit in the closet.

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                                                    The e-book industry is a mess right now. And it's going to get worse before it gets better, no matter how hard the publishers try to keep it under control.

                                                     

                                                    On the one hand, they love e-books. The margins will be better than paper even after prices start to fall - which they will, sooner or later. The ability to continue selling books for 40 years with no real costs beyond the initial investment. No logistics to worry about. No returns to deal with. No physical storage required. The ability to publish more books for the same payroll, because you can replace warehouse workers and drivers and press operators with editors. And they can afford to take more chances on new authors, because the costs are so much lower, increasng the likelihood that they'll find the next Tom Clancy or Stephen King or JK Rowling. E-books are a license to print money.

                                                     

                                                    But on the other hand, they hate e-books. Because e-books do for publishing what digital music did for that industry. The publisher has to work for the benefit of the author and the readers in order to add value, instead of merely acting as a gatekeeper, and that can become very hard to do. Some enterprising publicist somewhere is going to start the publishing equivalent of Live Nation, handle all the back end processes for 10 or 15%, and big name authors will start self publishing and keeping more money. That's the nightmare for publishers - John Grisham or Stephen King deciding they don't need a publisher any more. And its going to happen. 

                                                     

                                                    They've headed off price wars with the agency model, so they have learned from the music industry. But I think they've learned the wrong lesson. They're trying to maintain control, which is going to be impossible. What they should be doing is figuring out how to add value in ways that make authors and readers want them involved in the process even if it costs a little more. That's going to be difficult, but its the only way for them to be successful in the long term.

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                                                      bga_reviews

                                                      Grrr.  Water for Elephants.  B&N MMPB price: $5.55, Kindle price $4.17, Kobo price $4.17, Sony price $6.29, Nook price $6.39!!! 

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                                                          racheling

                                                          Grrr.  Water for Elephants.  B&N MMPB price: $5.55, Kindle price $4.17, Kobo price $4.17, Sony price $6.29, Nook price $6.39!!! 

                                                           

                                                          You could buy it from Kobo and sideload it, then... advantages of having options and open formats. :smileyhappy: And I don't count the sale prices (the paperback is cheaper because it's discounted at the moment). The ebook version is still cheaper than list price, which is what you'd be paying if you walked into a BN store.

                                                          I mean, I hear you, we all want cheaper books because it means we can buy more of them. The pricing structures will settle down eventually.

                                                           

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                                                              I'm about to retire and plan to do some serious reading.   But after checking out the current eBook situation, I've all but abandoned my plan to get a Nook because there's no way I'll pay these prices.  Trying to charge more for a file download than a paperback is simply abusive.  I can't wait for the world to simply route around these publishing companies.  They're dinosaurs.

                                                               

                                                              I also looked into eBooks from the local library system, but the waiting times are far too long - we're talking several months for books I'm interested in.

                                                               

                                                              I think I'll be cruising the used book stores instead.   And this really annoys me.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

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                                                                  racheling

                                                                  jimh12345 wrote:

                                                                  I'm about to retire and plan to do some serious reading.   But after checking out the current eBook situation, I've all but abandoned my plan to get a Nook because there's no way I'll pay these prices.  Trying to charge more for a file download than a paperback is simply abusive.  I can't wait for the world to simply route around these publishing companies.  They're dinosaurs.


                                                                  But the point is that the publishers aren't charging more for the ebook than the paperback. I have yet to see a case where it wasn't a matter of the bookstore discounting the paperback or the paperback not being out yet (but listed on the sites with its future release date).

                                                                   

                                                                  Publishers have been offering free ebooks and discounted ebooks--I've gotten tons of cheap or free ebooks from the major publishers. And the cost of actually printing a paperback is so small compared to the other costs of editing and other things that it's almost negligible.

                                                                   

                                                                  Personally, there are some ebooks I would pay more than the paperback cost for--take some of these 1,000-page books, for example. I don't care to lug around a fat, cheaply-bound MMPB with tiny font and margins. It's not a pleasant reading experience.

                                                                   

                                                                  For you, the price point is the most important thing, and that's fine. But it seems you're expecting ebook prices to be on par with used bookstore prices?

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                                                                      I'm aware that eBook prices are an area of serious dispute between publisher and retailer; but that's their problem.  The fact is, if I see that the paperback is less than the eBook, it feels wrong to me and I won't pay the premium for the eBook just to get "less", i.e. no paper book I need to store or dispose of.  As a software developer I know too well that it's just a file being downloaded from a server somewhere; there are infrastructure costs, but these are actually quite small files, not streaming video.

                                                                       

                                                                      The prices are what they are, because enough people are apparently willing to pay them. That's too bad in my opinion, but until authors find ways to sell more directly, eBook pricing will include fat markups for 2 big corporate middlemen - publisher and retailer - that are adding no value outside of advertisng and promotion.