9 Replies Latest reply on Jun 27, 2011 6:12 PM by chefclaire

    All Free Books on same list?

      I have tried to share links to free books when I found them and ended up posting a Smashwords title on the Free Book thread. To be honest I didn't even look to check out who published the book. I just shared it because it sounded good and thought others might be interested in it as well.

       

      Someone posted a reminder that Smashword titles were not usually posted on the Free Book thread and had their own thread. The poster was very polite in pointing this out and I have no issues with that at all. I do understand that back when Doug so graciously started this thread he did not include Smashword titles, in part, due to the large number of titles they have.

       

      However, Doug stopped contributing to the thread a few months ago and is sorely missed by the way! It was an amazing job and service that he did and the Free Book thread is one that I check on at least once every day. I have found so many good reads there! I don't really understand why all free books can't be posted on the same thread. It is much easier keeping up with one thread than with two. To me a good book is a good book and the publisher is irrelevant.

       

      I am posting this to get feedback from others who check the free book thread regularly. Does anyone else agree that it is so much simpler to just post all free books on the same thread? If I am busy I don't have a lot of time to be checking multiple threads and my computer at works loads super slow anyway.

       

      So what do others think about this?

        • Re: All Free Books on same list?
          Ya_Ya

          I rarely contribute to the thread(s) but I do check them.

           

          I would prefer for the Smashwords titles to be kept out of the "Free Book" thread and in the "Smashwords Freebies worth checking out" thread because Smashwords books are mostly self-published.  I have read a few self-published works that were remarkably good.  Most of the self-published writing that I have read has been crap, though.

           

          Since people usually post about the free book before they've read it, a Smashwords freebie doesn't even have the poster's recommendation, usually.  At least with traditionally published books, you have the (thin) assurance that multiple editors have read it.  It might also be crap, but not usually for grammarless writing, gross misspelling and complete lack of logic.

           

          There are 2,000 Smashwords freebies at B&N at any given time; a "Free Book" thread containing those books would immediately become unuseful, to me.  I no longer read self-published works without a very strong recommendation from someone who has already read them, or at least something else by that author.

           

          As Doug repeatedly said, I don't own it.  [Well said, Doug.]

           

           And since I rarely posted in it I may be less entitled to an opinion than those who do regularly post.  But I prefer them separated.  An occasional, well-reviewed Smashwords book, that the poster has read and liked, would be in-line, IMO.  But if we just start posting any and all Smashwords freebies, the thread would be overtaken and might become difficult to navigate.  Or that is how it would feel to me.

           

          As I said, as a rare (approaching never) contributor, I don't think my opinion should have as much weight as those who do keep the thread going.  But you did ask.

          • Re: All Free Books on same list?
            Doug_Pardee

            I'll stick my nose in to just pass along what I was thinking. Understand that I'm a big fan of Smashwords freebies; most of my free e-book collection comes from Smashwords. I'm not at all "knocking" their offerings.

             

            The following is all "In my opinion." Other people will have different opinions. I'm told that doesn't necessarily make them wrong. :smileytongue:

             

            There were a number of things that made posting random free Smashwords titles less desirable than posting the free titles from established publishers:

            1. The sheer quantity is exhausting. Right now, I'm showing over 1700 freebies from them available on B&N. At the site itself, they've currently got 6566 freebies, and that's not counting the "name your own price" offerings which you can get for free, or the ones with coupons available.
            2. Most of the Smashwords freebies are always free. There's nothing special about getting those titles free, and there's no rush. I was mainly concerned with keeping track of the comings and goings of short-term special offers, where people could save maybe $10 if they acted right away.
            3. The quality of Smashwords titles is more suspect. I'd never read any of the e-books that I posted before I posted them. My decision to post was based entirely on the reputation of the publisher. There are some very fine free e-books at Smashwords, but there's a big difference between "I read this great free e-book from Smashwords" and "I found this free e-book at Smashwords." Not that some of the selections from the established publishers weren't duds; just that the odds were a lot better.
            4. Many Smashwords freebies aren't, um, family-friendly. For me, it wouldn't feel right to post, on a public forum, titles and book-covers that many parents would just as soon their children not see. I'm not judging the books themselves or those who read them, but rather the permanent public posting of the titles and covers in the B&N forums. The first two entries returned by the publisher search "over 1700 entries" above are examples of e-books I personally can't bring myself to put on these forums.
            5. Usually the freebies from the established publishers are "full-length". Most Smashwords freebies tend to be short stories or novellas. On the other hand, it's almost impossible to tell the length of the ones from the established publishers without reading reviews and maybe even "buying" and downloading it yourself, while Smashwords publishes the word-count on each of theirs.

            The bottom line, for me, was that if you've read a Smashwords freebie and thought it was a good one, posting it would be worthwhile for the readers — especially if you provided a bit of a review. Or if there was other reason to believe it's a goodie. I've done so myself: [1][2] Or if you know of a coupon code for a limited-time freebie (eReader News Today often posts these).

             

            If all you're doing is putting "0.00" and a genre into the B&N search engine, well, anyone can do that. A bit of filtering is called for, in my opinion. Why is this Smashwords freebie worthy of mention? Did you read it and like it? Does it sound interesting and have really good (and credible) reviews? Is it only free for a short time?

             

            • Re: All Free Books on same list?
              BrandieC

              @kathylcsw:

               

              I agree with Ya_Ya and Doug, for the reasons they both so eloquently stated.

              • Re: All Free Books on same list?

                I understand both side of the issue, but have a couple of thought to add in.  Some of the people posting a bunch of smashwords titles are new user who I think were just trying to get involved, why stomp on their enthusiasm. I gentle suggestion to filter their posts ala Doug's suggestions would go a lot further than "we don't post smashwords here". Many new users do not  understand what that necessarialy means.

                 

                Also, I loved Doug's reacp list and truly thank the poster who updated the links. It was understood that DOug did not post smashwords there. The occassional post recommending a smashwords tiltle doesn't really disrupts the threas.

                 

                Slightly off topic, I would like to say that if you like/agree with someones post, you can use laurels, instead of the many "Thanks for the post" posts :smileyhappy:

                  • Re: Laurels v. Separate Posts
                    BrandieC

                    @Colleen_Rose:

                     

                    On the (possibly mistaken) assumption that you were "talking" to me with your comment about using laurels instead of an "I agree" post, I realize that.  I actually first thought about giving laurels to Ya_Ya's and Doug's posts, instead of adding a separate post.  However, I decided to respond the way I did for a couple of reasons:

                     

                    1.  When I am reading the new posts on a thread, I don't always notice whether a post has received laurels.  I thought that kathylcsw might not notice laurels, so that the best way to ensure she was aware of my response was to add a separate post.

                     

                    2.  Judging by the posts which have received laurels in the past (on a variety of threads), it seems that people use laurels for a variety of reasons, whether to express agreement with the substance of the previous post, to "applaud" a witty statement, or just to say "thank you" for saying something even though you may disagree with it yourself.  Again, I thought kathylcsw's goal on this thread was to get a "pro" v. "con" view on including Smashwords titles in the Free NOOKbooks thread; I wanted to be sure that I was counted in "con" column, and I thought the separate post was the most unambiguous way to do that.

                      • Re: Laurels v. Separate Posts

                        @BrandieC its cool. I wasn't speaking of you (didn't even lnow you made a post like that :smileyhappy:). It was a general comment regarding the freebie list. Sometimes on the freebie thread, someone says "thanks" and then it is followed by 3 or four other people saying they agree with the thanks post. It was a comment more inline with some people's frustration about seeing several new posts and thinking new books were posted.

                         

                        I agree with your reasons leaving an actual post. I always wonder whether or not people will notice the affrimation. You are right that on this particular thread a repsonse in totally appropriate.


                        BrandieC wrote:

                        @Colleen_Rose:

                         

                        On the (possibly mistaken) assumption that you were "talking" to me with your comment about using laurels instead of an "I agree" post, I realize that.  I actually first thought about giving laurels to Ya_Ya's and Doug's posts, instead of adding a separate post.  However, I decided to respond the way I did for a couple of reasons:

                         

                        1.  When I am reading the new posts on a thread, I don't always notice whether a post has received laurels.  I thought that kathylcsw might not notice laurels, so that the best way to ensure she was aware of my response was to add a separate post.

                         

                        2.  Judging by the posts which have received laurels in the past (on a variety of threads), it seems that people use laurels for a variety of reasons, whether to express agreement with the substance of the previous post, to "applaud" a witty statement, or just to say "thank you" for saying something even though you may disagree with it yourself.  Again, I thought kathylcsw's goal on this thread was to get a "pro" v. "con" view on including Smashwords titles in the Free NOOKbooks thread; I wanted to be sure that I was counted in "con" column, and I thought the separate post was the most unambiguous way to do that.


                         

                    • Re: All Free Books on same list?
                      Twinz_Mom

                      I would rather have Smashwords in a seperate posting. I check the post sometimes several times a day. However, I do not post to it and may not be as entitled to an opinion. In answering your concern though, I prefer they be kept seperate as I do not typically jump on the Smashwords freebies like I do with the regular limited-time freebies. Hope this helps!

                      • Re: All Free Books on same list?

                        I haven't contributed alot on the boards....just lurked.

                         

                        When I first started coming here I didn't understand the difference either. I saw FREE and I was in heaven but now that I've started posting more of what I'm finding for friends I see the difference and I also would like to keep it seperate when possible.

                         

                        I'm guilty of posting a few on Doug's thread without meaning too but they were not ones that did not have really good reviews. A few here and there probably wouldn't hurt but I'd like to be able to pull up the thread and quickly download the ones that may go up in price quickly.

                         

                        Thats just me..

                          • Re: All Free Books on same list?

                            I have rarely posted, but have been following the Free Nookbooks thread for months.  I am also in favor of of the Smashwords titles being listed separately for the most part (if you have a recommendation of a great one that you just read- by all means, post it!) as others have said due to sheer volume, and the fact that many are perennially free.

                             

                            I'd like to take a moment to thank Doug for all the work you put into the thread over the months, I for one really miss your lists!  I completely understand not having the time to keep up with it, and I certainly don't have the the time step in and do it, but wanted you to know how much I did/do appreciate the time you put in.

                            Kristy- I know you've been putting in a fair amt of work too both adding to this list as well as your other list.

                             

                            Finally- I really appreciate it when people post free books- if you put the synopsis into your post. It helps me tremendously to figure out beyond just title if it is something I'm interested in without having to open another window, as well as more easily figure out if I already have it.  I rarely post, but when I do, I try to include the synopsis- as I find it very helpful.  Anyway, others may feel differently, but that's just my 2 cents.

                             

                            And as most everyone else, I am disappointed when I go in and find no post for new books, but 5 off topic posts.

                             

                            Thanks to everyone who keeps an eye on the lists!